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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 22, 2024 19:05:41 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2024 21:02:35 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition With that much competition it will be tough he will want a winner or team on the right track Bracillo was his OL coach early on maybe that works for the Giants. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 24, 2024 21:16:19 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition With that much competition it will be tough he will want a winner or team on the right track Bracillo was his OL coach early on maybe that works for the Giants. Would love to have him start at RT. Two stud tackles is so rare in this league |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2024 21:43:15 GMT -5
With that much competition it will be tough he will want a winner or team on the right track Bracillo was his OL coach early on maybe that works for the Giants. Would love to have him start at RT. Two stud tackles is so rare in this league I would really like that signing. If they can get him think they will have to over pay him the thing with him they can play him as a guard next to Neal if Neal struggles more kick him out to tackle and bring Neal in to Guard. If they want neal at Guard he should be working on it right now. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 24, 2024 22:02:02 GMT -5
He will be too expensive .
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Post by TEM on Feb 25, 2024 8:45:11 GMT -5
In 2 years
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Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT
Now we need a new one.
Gave a QB a big contract.
Now we need a new one.
Gave an OG a 18MM contract.
He sat on the bench.
Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract.
IR most of the season.
Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out.
You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it.
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Post by mendy on Feb 25, 2024 10:03:39 GMT -5
Déjà vu all over again. www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2018/03/14/new-york-giants-sign-patriots-left-tackle-nate-solder/423506002/Network reported a deal had been agreed upon. A league source indicated Tuesday night that Big Blue had turned their sights to the top LT on the market after losing out to the Jacksonville Jaguars on All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell. It's believed Solder will be signing a mammoth four-year contract that will make him the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. NFL Network reported that the deal will be worth up to $62 million with $35 million of that guaranteed with a salary cap hit of $10 million in 2018. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 25, 2024 10:08:02 GMT -5
In 2 years The GM Has Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT Now we need a new one. Gave a QB a big contract. Now we need a new one. Gave an OG a 18MM contract. He sat on the bench. Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract. IR most of the season. Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out. You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it. I disagree with your assessments, the GM got a Tackle lets see him healthy and see what his new Coach says before we need "a new one", again no need for a "new QB". The rest is no different then what happens on any other NFL team. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 25, 2024 10:25:53 GMT -5
In 2 years The GM Has Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT Now we need a new one. Gave a QB a big contract. Now we need a new one. Gave an OG a 18MM contract. He sat on the bench. Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract. IR most of the season. Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out. You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it. I disagree with your assessments, the GM got a Tackle lets see him healthy and see what his new Coach says before we need "a new one", again no need for a "new QB". The rest is no different then what happens on any other NFL team. The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. |
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Post by Speedman on Feb 25, 2024 10:48:50 GMT -5
I disagree with your assessments, the GM got a Tackle lets see him healthy and see what his new Coach says before we need "a new one", again no need for a "new QB". The rest is no different then what happens on any other NFL team. The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. They’re not on the fence. They committed to Jones, Thomas and Dexy. If Jones was a mistake then I would rather that they move on. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 25, 2024 11:00:10 GMT -5
He will be too expensive . They have money they can afford probably a couple top tier guys rather see them shop second tier if they are letting SQB go and soon changing QBs they shouldn't be spending they should be building through the draft. I feel like this year is gonna be rough anyway new DC some talent leaving and still in the QB hole so for me roll that money over thats left after paying McKinney if they do maybe sign a young Guard or corner and use that high end draft capital to get better. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 25, 2024 11:28:21 GMT -5
I disagree with your assessments, the GM got a Tackle lets see him healthy and see what his new Coach says before we need "a new one", again no need for a "new QB". The rest is no different then what happens on any other NFL team. The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. The GM does not answer to us, he might speak but everyone needs to take what any GM say with a grain of salt. I do think we take a QB, have said it before but in the later rounds. Team has other more important needs. |
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Post by mendy on Feb 25, 2024 11:30:09 GMT -5
The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. They’re not on the fence. They committed to Jones, Thomas and Dexy. If Jones was a mistake then I would rather that they move on. If Jones was a mistake they never would have resigned him at all . |
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Post by TEM on Feb 25, 2024 11:35:44 GMT -5
The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. They’re not on the fence. They committed to Jones, Thomas and Dexy. If Jones was a mistake then I would rather that they move on. If Jones is a Mistake with that contract after one year. If they can't get that right!!!!!!!! Apparently, there is a process error in their QB Evaluation. What make anyone think they can get it right with any QB? That is the hardest position to get right. There should never be a 2nd chance to F that up. The same exact point can be made on how they evaluate Offensive Linemen. They have a zero-success rate on that so far. We hammed and scrutinized Dave on every move he made. It seems there is only a few on the board not turning a blind eye to this crew's maladroit practices. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 25, 2024 11:40:28 GMT -5
The GM already stated a QB is on the table in the draft. This the way I perceive it. And this applies in life too. The GM shows he is not committed to any decisions he makes. It appears as nonchalant caviler attitude It is not. It is mask to his reality of questioning his motivation. He got hit with it hard last season. When you commit to nothing. That includes winning. That lesson also applies to life. That is my main issue with the GM and HC. Get the F off the fence. Fall on the sword or attack with. Take it out of the sheath. The GM does not answer to us, he might speak but everyone needs to take what any GM say with a grain of salt. I do think we take a QB, have said it before but in the later rounds. Team has other more important needs. I hope you are correct, and what I am seeing this wrong. If my assumptions are valid. We continue the preputial fire hire nightmare. |
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Post by Speedman on Feb 25, 2024 20:11:57 GMT -5
They’re not on the fence. They committed to Jones, Thomas and Dexy. If Jones was a mistake then I would rather that they move on. If Jones is a Mistake with that contract after one year. If they can't get that right!!!!!!!! Apparently, there is a process error in their QB Evaluation. What make anyone think they can get it right with any QB? That is the hardest position to get right. There should never be a 2nd chance to F that up. The same exact point can be made on how they evaluate Offensive Linemen. They have a zero-success rate on that so far. We hammed and scrutinized Dave on every move he made. It seems there is only a few on the board not turning a blind eye to this crew's maladroit practices. Would it be your choice to get rid of them now. There was multiple injuries on the OL last year. There were 3 games that they should have won. I think you’re giving up on the GM and HC too soon. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 7:01:11 GMT -5
If Jones is a Mistake with that contract after one year. If they can't get that right!!!!!!!! Apparently, there is a process error in their QB Evaluation. What make anyone think they can get it right with any QB? That is the hardest position to get right. There should never be a 2nd chance to F that up. The same exact point can be made on how they evaluate Offensive Linemen. They have a zero-success rate on that so far. We hammed and scrutinized Dave on every move he made. It seems there is only a few on the board not turning a blind eye to this crew's maladroit practices. Would it be your choice to get rid of them now. There was multiple injuries on the OL last year. There were 3 games that they should have won. I think you’re giving up on the GM and HC too soon. Even with the injuries the line was subpar from day one. No one can deny that fact. I am by no means giving up on the GM or HC. I have said that multiple times. That does not suggest they should not be held to the standards Reese and Gettelman. They have a lot to prove. I hope they do. |
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Post by imgrate on Feb 26, 2024 7:38:10 GMT -5
In 2 years The GM Has Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT Now we need a new one. Gave a QB a big contract. Now we need a new one. Gave an OG a 18MM contract. He sat on the bench. Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract. IR most of the season. Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out. You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it. With regards to the qb contract, we just have to hope that alot of the decision was driven by downward pressure from ownership. Although that’s what I hope, I don’t think it was the reality, think Schoen thought that bringing back dj at that contract was the right move. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 7:46:50 GMT -5
In 2 years The GM Has Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT Now we need a new one. Gave a QB a big contract. Now we need a new one. Gave an OG a 18MM contract. He sat on the bench. Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract. IR most of the season. Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out. You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it. With regards to the qb contract, we just have to hope that alot of the decision was driven by downward pressure from ownership I hope that wasn't the case. All that would prove is the owner's GM is a just figurehead / sacrificial lamb. I believe it was a decision that he owns. It still has to playout to see if he stands by choice he made or tries to move on from it. If he decides to move on and takes a QB with 6. I have little faith he will take a QB that can be the guy we need. If he did not get it right with Jones, who he has access to years and years of film on. What makes anyone think he will get it correct with QB that has 3 years at best film on. |
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Post by imgrate on Feb 26, 2024 7:51:01 GMT -5
With regards to the qb contract, we just have to hope that alot of the decision was driven by downward pressure from ownership I hope that wasn't the case. All that would prove is the owner's GM is a just figurehead / sacrificial lamb. I believe it was a decision that he owns. It still has to playout to see if he stands by choice he made or tries to move on from it. If he decides to move on and takes a QB with 6. I have little faith he will take a QB that can be the guy we need. If he did not get it right with Jones, who he has access to years and years of film on. What makes anyone think he will get it correct with QB that has 3 years at best film on. There’s still the luck factor, which is seemingly quite prevalent in the NFL based on how often all these GMs miss on players |
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 8:04:06 GMT -5
I hope that wasn't the case. All that would prove is the owner's GM is a just figurehead / sacrificial lamb. I believe it was a decision that he owns. It still has to playout to see if he stands by choice he made or tries to move on from it. If he decides to move on and takes a QB with 6. I have little faith he will take a QB that can be the guy we need. If he did not get it right with Jones, who he has access to years and years of film on. What makes anyone think he will get it correct with QB that has 3 years at best film on. There’s still the luck factor, which is seemingly quite prevalent in the NFL based on how often all these GMs miss on players I do not believe that one bit. The NFL is celebrating its 91st draft in April. By now with an estimated 18,000 players drafted. Each year with a 600-player pool to draft from. The metrics, qualities and personality traits that are required to fill a position group for each segment of the draft would be well defined. I think FOs are still using more guessing than Scientific Mythology. |
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Post by imgrate on Feb 26, 2024 8:10:25 GMT -5
There’s still the luck factor, which is seemingly quite prevalent in the NFL based on how often all these GMs miss on players I do not believe that one bit. The NFL is celebrating its 91st draft in April. By now with an estimated 18,000 players drafted. Each year with a 600-player pool to draft from. The metrics, qualities and personality traits that are required to fill a position group for each segment of the draft would be well defined. I think FOs are still using more guessing than Scientific Mythology. This is a bit contradictory, unless I’m reading wrong… On one hand you say that you dont believe that a GM can get lucky, while on the other hand you are saying that FOs are guessing. It they’re guessing, then a successful guess is all luck. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2024 8:13:23 GMT -5
I do not believe that one bit. The NFL is celebrating its 91st draft in April. By now with an estimated 18,000 players drafted. Each year with a 600-player pool to draft from. The metrics, qualities and personality traits that are required to fill a position group for each segment of the draft would be well defined. I think FOs are still using more guessing than Scientific Mythology. This is a bit contradictory, unless I’m reading wrong… On one hand you say that you dont believe that a GM can get lucky, while on the other hand you are saying that FOs are guessing. It they’re guessing, then a successful guess is all luck. What I am saying there should be no guessing at all. |
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Post by Speedman on Feb 26, 2024 9:21:38 GMT -5
Would it be your choice to get rid of them now. There was multiple injuries on the OL last year. There were 3 games that they should have won. I think you’re giving up on the GM and HC too soon. Even with the injuries the line was subpar from day one. No one can deny that fact. I am by no means giving up on the GM or HC. I have said that multiple times. That does not suggest they should not be held to the standards Reese and Gettelman. They have a lot to prove. I hope they do. I agree that they should be held accountable, but I don’t think that they are doing as bad of a job as some people do. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 11:11:09 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition I apologize nothing came up on my computer. Are we talking about Onwenu from N.E. Yes he can play both Guard and OT what flexibility that would give us. That would be a coup if we could sign him. He's probably a better Guard than OT. But he's still a damn good improvement at either position. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 11:22:23 GMT -5
He will be too expensive . Absolutely he will be expensive but now with the cap going up 30 mil to 255.4 mil if we want him we can afford him. I'm sure his price has gone up. He will be expensive. That 2 position flexibility is such a strength. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 26, 2024 11:25:00 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition I apologize nothing came up on my computer. Are we talking about Onwenu from N.E. Yes he can play both Guard and OT what flexibility that would give us. That would be a coup if we could sign him. He's probably a better Guard than OT. But he's still a damn good improvement at either position. Yeah, the flexibility is key, his signing essentially fixed two positions as i except Neal to get better, or slide into OG. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 12:00:56 GMT -5
In 2 years The GM Has Used a top 10 draft pick on an OT Now we need a new one. Gave a QB a big contract. Now we need a new one. Gave an OG a 18MM contract. He sat on the bench. Traded for A TE with history of not being able to stay on the field attached to a 36MM dollar contract. IR most of the season. Singed 20 odd Offensive linemen. Not one worked out. You guys should be screaming about the incompetence. Not promoting it. I disagree with your assessments, the GM got a Tackle lets see him healthy and see what his new Coach says before we need "a new one", again no need for a "new QB". The rest is no different then what happens on any other NFL team. Mendy, So far both the Neal and Jones have failed as starting players for us. Both were top 10 picks. Nos #6 for Jones and #7 for Neal. Swing and a miss, they each have 2 strikes we can't count on either we need plan B's to go to. This is their last year to show us. If it takes a move to Guard for Neal to succeed no one including him should be against it. Jones needs to produce in '24 period. It's his 6th or 7th year. He really has to look good to prove he's worth those last 2 years on his contract. If we have a young QB on the squad Jones is gone no matter what. Or else Neal doesn't get extended to his 5th year and Jones gets jettisoned after this year. That's it. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2024 12:24:54 GMT -5
They’re not on the fence. They committed to Jones, Thomas and Dexy. If Jones was a mistake then I would rather that they move on. If Jones was a mistake they never would have resigned him at all . I must admit I was in favor of signing DJ last year. We had no choice he took us to the playoffs and there was no other QB we had a chance at or wanted via the draft or FA. It failed miserably that escape clause after 2 years in his contract is a savior. The signing looked good at the time but it was a mistake. He has not progressed anywhere near where he should be plus his 2 neck injuries and his knee injury so between those 2 things it's just not something to invest in. |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 4, 2024 8:56:05 GMT -5
Would be a dream! Move Neal inside (hope he does well) and you've fixed two positions with one FA addition Only question i have is. Why are the pats letting him walk? Especially considering their more than ample cap space |
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