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Post by hadenough on Mar 16, 2024 6:17:18 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters.
They have holes at:
QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones)
WR
Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up)
DT
CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner)
S
So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good
What 3 would be most important to draft?
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Mar 16, 2024 6:41:14 GMT -5
Jones very likely won’t be ready Week 1. Late September is most likely. Murray tore his ACL in December and was back in November. Jones tore his in early November. All rehabs are different, but Week 1 would be 10 months. That is unlikely. That gives Lock a chance to take the job for as long as he can play well. Which may be 0 minutes, but it gives him a shot.
As for other holes they still have the draft and can create more cap with Lawrence & Thomas conversions. They have taken OLB, TE and OL completely off the needs list for the draft. I expect a QB and WR early. They’ll need to sign another WR simply for bodies.
That leaves corner, S, DEs.
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Post by mendy on Mar 16, 2024 7:23:54 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? ![]()  |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 16, 2024 7:37:31 GMT -5
If it makes you feel better… we’re going to have holes going into every season…For the rest of time
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 8:06:26 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? we've now signed 4 O linemen, btw. Unlikely that we take one day 1 or 2 in the draft, IMO. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 16, 2024 8:17:13 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? They can probably fill maybe 2 or 3 if he really hits in the draft this year. They were never gonna fill all of them in year 3 what has to happen is that they have filled enough where they are competitive like they were end of 2023 win enough games where were saying they only need a few spots and the roster is pretty solid. At 6 they are getting either a QB or one of the top WRs they heave their 2nd and 3rd and 4th rounders to fill it out my understanding this draft is top heavy if what they want is not there at six I would entertain a trade down for more picks in the 2nd round. A lot of analyst say that you get to rounds 5/6/7 the players their are UDFA quality in most drafts because kids are staying school for the NIL money |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 16, 2024 8:34:35 GMT -5
There will be other FA signings. They always restructure somebody for more room and allocate bonus dollars to next season, etc.
Long way to go
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 16, 2024 8:47:02 GMT -5
Having holes is not the problem.. The Chiefs had a few potholes and still ran over the opposition. It’s having a black hole at quarterback that will suck the rest of the roster into oblivion.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 17, 2024 20:17:45 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? QB- Jones, if he can't go it's Lock. WR- Should be pick #1. OL - We have our starters in some order it's Thomas, JMS, Runyan, Neal, Eluemenor.
DT - Dex obviously but we also have DJ Davidson, Nacho and Jordan Riley. CB - Banks (outside), Flott (slot) and we are really in need of Robinson or Tre Hawkins to take a step up.
S - Pinnock and Dane Belton. With Mills as a reserve.
I don't think it's dire as you made it seem. We have options at all of those positions. We really need a boost at WR1, after that I think DT and DB are most important. Hawkins showed some real promise last year and Dane Belton has started 7 games for us. Is it ideal? No, but it's ok.
If I'm Schoen I'd be going WR at 6 and then seeing what my options look like in round 2/3 for DT and DB. I'd go DB if it's an even evaluation.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 18, 2024 6:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Mar 18, 2024 6:51:20 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? All the more reason to look to trade down a few spots and acquire more day 2 picks |
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Post by TEM on Mar 18, 2024 7:40:49 GMT -5
I am presuming some of the issues that the Op suggests will be addressed in the draft.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 18, 2024 9:10:43 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? Good points, The 2 OL probably better than we had but your right lets not over hype them. Burns is a very good pass rusher and is a plus for the defense. To me I don't think a 3rd rd pick is usually going to be a starter. Usually it can be 50-50 at best imho. But like you said on this team the 3rd rd pick could very well be a starter. But the 1st 2 rds will be starters. If the 4th QB is still there I think we must go QB. As risky as it is we should pull the trigger. Were losers with Jones and Lock and there's no future with either one. The 2nd rd take the WR. There will be darn good ones in the 2nd rd this year. Now if the 4 QB's are all gone take the WR we consider the best after Harrison jr, he'll be gone. My 2 cents we should take Odunze. In the 2nd rd we could go either DL or I'm leaning CB whoever the better player is available. Possibly OL. There are going to be top Guards available even though a couple go in the late 1st rd. The OL is deep in this draft. Possibly a RT, 7-8 LT's will have already been taken by time our pick (#47) comes up. If we get the QB and WR with the 1st 2 picks I'm hoping for a DL, run stopper with the 3rd. I'm hoping we get a moose of a run stopper with the 3rd pick no matter what. Our DL needs so much help. |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 11:29:03 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? We suck, we’re going to have holes. And let’s define “hole”. Mine is “a player starting that doesn’t perform at a reasonable starter level”. So we “filled” a hole with Thomas when we drafted him, but he really struggled early in the in season, got better late in the season, but it was still a hole all season despite spending an early 1st on it. . 1. QB: We’re going to have a hole at QB unless we get EXTREMELY lucky. So will 66% of the team teams taking a QB in the 1st this year if the “average bust” probability for QBs holds up. 2.WR: need a WR1 and it’s a position group that transitions to the NFL easier than others. Legit chance to fill this one 3. I don’t know what the expectation is for the o line. Going from a line that almost gave up the most sacks in NFL history, to a playoff ready o line? Is that what fans are looking for in the 8 mths since last season ended? I’m not hyping Runyan or Eluemenor, but they’re better than any starter we had last year not named Thomas. So we won’t have a Philly-like line this year but there were no moves available that would make that happen. Hopefully we have an average line. The 16th best line in the NFL would be a huge gain from the 32nd. 3. DT: we could use depth here but don’t see this as a glaring need. 4. CB: Same hole as QB. It’s there and it will be regardless of what we do in the draft realistically. Of all the position groups CB might be the hardest transition to the NFL level after QB. We don’t know how good it was to have Banks play the way he did as a rookie (above average). 5. S: legit hole that will probably still be one at the end of 24’. We’re a 6 win team that got lucky in 22’. I’m hoping we get lucky in 24’ again. And I’m looking for the QB position to stay a nightmare with the o line elevating to average. |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 18, 2024 11:36:48 GMT -5
Free agency is not over. We haven't even had the draft. They will create money and sign more players.
The OL is as deep as it's been in years, but mid-March is not the time to make final roster evaluations.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 18, 2024 14:24:43 GMT -5
Good points, The 2 OL probably better than we had but your right lets not over hype them. I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 18, 2024 14:38:44 GMT -5
Good points, The 2 OL probably better than we had but your right lets not over hype them. I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. even if neither are all-pros, they are both upgrades to the crap we've had the last few seasons. If JMS improves some (a reasonable assumption going into year 2), the line could be 1/2 decent instead of an unmitigated shit show... |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 18, 2024 14:43:56 GMT -5
I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. even if neither are all-pros, they are both upgrades to the crap we've had the last few seasons. If JMS improves some (a reasonable assumption going into year 2), the line could be 1/2 decent instead of an unmitigated shit show... At worst, Elumenor and Runyan are upgrades to those they are replacing. Elumenor was exponentially better than Neal at RT last season. Runyan is a solid player. Certainly better than Bredeson, Glowinski and Ezeudu. That's not overhyping. That's just the truth. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 18, 2024 14:44:17 GMT -5
Good points, The 2 OL probably better than we had but your right lets not over hype them. I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. Just like Glowinski at $8mil. Starting is one thing…good is another. As we’ve seen the Giants have about 30+ starting olineman in the past 10 years, with very few being good. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 18, 2024 15:05:11 GMT -5
I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. Just like Glowinski at $8mil. Starting is one thing…good is another. As we’ve seen the Giants have about 30+ starting olineman in the past 10 years, with very few being good. I'm not making a prediction at how good them or any other player on this team will be. I'm simply pointing out that a fan view and a GM view are very different things. We have our 5 OL starters in the eyes of the GM. Will they work out? Who knows. With a salary cap and roster size limitation there will be risks we have to take.
For the record I don't think Eluemunor was all that great last year and having him as our RT doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling and I'm not sure he will beat out Neal to be honest. I'm hoping with the rest of us that it works out better than the past and think him or Neal at OG will be a big improvement over last year.
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Post by hadenough on Mar 18, 2024 15:32:22 GMT -5
Just like Glowinski at $8mil. Starting is one thing…good is another. As we’ve seen the Giants have about 30+ starting olineman in the past 10 years, with very few being good. I'm not making a prediction at how good them or any other player on this team will be. I'm simply pointing out that a fan view and a GM view are very different things. We have our 5 OL starters in the eyes of the GM. Will they work out? Who knows. With a salary cap and roster size limitation there will be risks we have to take.
For the record I don't think Eluemunor was all that great last year and having him as our RT doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling and I'm not sure he will beat out Neal to be honest. I'm hoping with the rest of us that it works out better than the past and think him or Neal at OG will be a big improvement over last year.
I hear ya…I guess I’m just getting annoyed with the Oline. 10 years of the same stuff and no progress. That’s as bad as it gets. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 18, 2024 15:40:41 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? we've now signed 4 O linemen, btw. Unlikely that we take one day 1 or 2 in the draft, IMO. While that IS true, we still are short 1 starting Guard, since Bredeson walked |
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 15:40:56 GMT -5
I don't think its overhyping them to say they are signed to be starters. Jon Runyon without a doubt is obviously a starter and a pretty good one. Eluminor isn't as good but signed a deal worth $7m a year. There are 66 OL in the league making that much money and 160 OL that start. If you make $7m a year as an OL in the NFL you're expected to start. Just like Glowinski at $8mil. Starting is one thing…good is another. As we’ve seen the Giants have about 30+ starting olineman in the past 10 years, with very few being good. How did the Solder signing go since you are insisting the team pay for the highest FAs out there? This team really needs the oline coach to work out but it seems like you and Irishmike don't like what he did with Eluemunor who I feel is way better than Neal. |
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 15:45:02 GMT -5
we've now signed 4 O linemen, btw. Unlikely that we take one day 1 or 2 in the draft, IMO. While that IS true, we still are short 1 starting Guard, since Bredeson walked Aaron Stinnie is Bredeson's replacement who wasn't that good any way. If Neal isn't going to be a starting guard then I hope they select a starter in the 2nd round! |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 18, 2024 15:45:02 GMT -5
I just read the article, and it doesn't seem like Neal is going anywhere. Personally, I feel like he'd be best utilized at LG, but I don't see him moving there just yet |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 18, 2024 16:19:52 GMT -5
we've now signed 4 O linemen, btw. Unlikely that we take one day 1 or 2 in the draft, IMO. While that IS true, we still are short 1 starting Guard, since Bredeson walked I think that starting Guard will be Neal. Eluemunor is coming off a very strong season. Neal would have undergo an incredible amount of growth in the next 3 months to outplay him at RT. Now if the Giants simply hand Neal the job again, that's going to be another story. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 18, 2024 17:28:46 GMT -5
While that IS true, we still are short 1 starting Guard, since Bredeson walked I think that starting Guard will be Neal. Eluemunor is coming off a very strong season. Neal would have undergo an incredible amount of growth in the next 3 months to outplay him at RT. Now if the Giants simply hand Neal the job again, that's going to be another story. Even if he is not deserving, I feel like the FO will hand him the job. I think their ego will stop them from 'giving up' on Neal as an OT just yet |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 18, 2024 17:48:40 GMT -5
They have gone through their cap space. They basically have their first 3 draft picks to locate starters. They have holes at: QB (this can be debated, cause they do still have Jones) WR Oline (stop over hyping the 2 guys they picked up) DT CB (maybe 2 here…slot and corner) S So holes at 3 levels on both offense and defense….not good What 3 would be most important to draft? #1 seems to be the most critical hole they have and so far have been out maneuvered in the pursuit of the top 4 and shut out of the secondary market I guess 5 years of bad tape hasn't convinced the Giants they need up to grade the QB position they need a 6th maybe that willl cement it. It also compounded a terrible mistake in giving him a contract that actually made it best for them to let their best offensive weapon walk to a rival. The main question is do they have their heads in the sand hoping this fixes it's self or are they in denial and actually believe 5 lousy years of football is gonna change in years 6 or is there a master plan. At this point it looks like it will be Nix/ Penix a guy who can't create, maybe Rattler if they even decide to draft a QB which would amount to drafting one just to draft one. |
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 18, 2024 17:50:46 GMT -5
I am 50/50 on trading back at 6 we get a great player and the misssing ingredient that has been a top #1 WR even with a deep WR class the Giants need that true #1. After that is it another OL if Neal moves inside? Seems like the secondary always needs help this time S for sure plus another DB. Then I would not mind another TE although it looks like that is being handled in FA. Then with SB gone I'd like to see a big bruising RB on the Giants that can runs hard. IDK, lot of holes just pick all starters please, kidding.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 18, 2024 17:55:09 GMT -5
I think that starting Guard will be Neal. Eluemunor is coming off a very strong season. Neal would have undergo an incredible amount of growth in the next 3 months to outplay him at RT. Now if the Giants simply hand Neal the job again, that's going to be another story. Even if he is not deserving, I feel like the FO will hand him the job. I think their ego will stop them from 'giving up' on Neal as an OT just yet I didn't think this would happen, but watching how they are handling the QB problem as if their isn't one this scenario is a good possibility. The only silver lining Eluminaire has played both Guards and tackles so he can slide in anywhere and if they want to give Neal a shot and he fails Eluminaire can slid in and trade spots with Neal. |
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