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Post by ammo on Mar 16, 2024 12:19:15 GMT -5
Fairly new poster but long time reader on this forum and have very basic knowledge of how the cap works, my question is can anyone help me understand how the Eagles always have money year after year to sign anyone they want? I understand that DG put us in a huge hole which Schoen is trying to get us out of but does Howie Roseman just have a better understanding on how to manipulate the cap better than the rest of the league or is he just that much smarter than every other GM in the league?
Hope I can get some legit answers...Appreciate it
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Post by ratbastich on Mar 16, 2024 18:30:49 GMT -5
Don't know the exacts of it but Roseman seems to back end a lot of his deals to spread them out then when it comes time to pay the big bucks he can usually get out of the contract if the player isn't playing up to contract expectation. There is more to it than that but that is a lot of it. Many of his contracts are staggered so they come due at different times.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 17, 2024 8:51:42 GMT -5
Fairly new poster but long time reader on this forum and have very basic knowledge of how the cap works, my question is can anyone help me understand how the Eagles always have money year after year to sign anyone they want? I understand that DG put us in a huge hole which Schoen is trying to get us out of but does Howie Roseman just have a better understanding on how to manipulate the cap better than the rest of the league or is he just that much smarter than every other GM in the league? Hope I can get some legit answers...Appreciate it Welcome to the board enjoy greta place to talk Giants football and ball in general.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 17, 2024 8:53:29 GMT -5
Don't know the exacts of it but Roseman seems to back end a lot of his deals to spread them out then when it comes time to pay the big bucks he can usually get out of the contract if the player isn't playing up to contract expectation. There is more to it than that but that is a lot of it. Many of his contracts are staggered so they come due at different times. i think what happens is they put the Void years in say 2 and it allows them to spread the dead money out longer to lessen the impact on future cap.
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 9:32:55 GMT -5
Here is statistical breakdown of Cap spending since the cap was implemented. Link to data
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Post by hadenough on Mar 17, 2024 9:40:59 GMT -5
They do 2 things…for 25 years they ALWAYS make sure they’re pushing at least $10mil+ over to the next year. And they always push out contracts (and somehow never get caught with this).
The Giants push out contracts for a couple more years and get hammered by the later years contract. The Eagles do it and get away scot free, somehow.
For 25 years the Giants smash themselves up against the cap EVERY year and hardly ever roll money over. It prevents the Giants from making in season trades for later round picks and makes them have less money every future year.
I honestly can’t believe the Giants do the same thing every year.
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Post by hadenough on Mar 17, 2024 9:42:53 GMT -5
And Schoen was in a hole his 1st year. After that DG left him with the 3rd most cap space for the upcoming years. The Giants cap in Schoens 2nd year and this year, is all Schoen.
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Post by hadenough on Mar 17, 2024 9:55:50 GMT -5
Here is statistical breakdown of Cap spending since the cap was implemented. Link to dataSo, that says spend on the oline and make sure you don’t have a lot of dead cap space. But, the Giants bargain shop to improve a bad oline. I’m sure it’ll work out fine.
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 10:36:04 GMT -5
Here is statistical breakdown of Cap spending since the cap was implemented. Link to dataSo, that says spend on the oline and make sure you don’t have a lot of dead cap space. But, the Giants bargain shop to improve a bad oline. I’m sure it’ll work out fine. It is a dance. They're averages, Not written in stone.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 10:42:06 GMT -5
The cap increased by $30 million so that helps. Assuming it increases by $20 million next yr and they will absorb a lot of dead money from Cox and Kelce retiring and will likely move out Graham.
It comes down to drafting. All the teams spend yet you need to draft well and have enough talented players to contribute whereas the Giants just have too many roster spots which can’t contribute. The Giants have no depth and we saw, yet again, nobody at Guard or RT could block despite roster spots. Other teams lost players yet the contributions are better.
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Post by lacesout on Mar 17, 2024 11:58:29 GMT -5
Howie has perfected the art of Cap Space and "kicking the can down the road" with contracts.
He backloads just about every new signing/contract, so that the really BIG $ per year is never seen by a player. And when possible, he restructures the contract so that the player will get more guaranteed up front money, which won't kill a teams Cap.
For example, Hurts cap hit this season is only 13M. Next year it's only like 22M. The following year it's still only about 30M. Whereas your QBs hit this season is what, 44M? And Dak's for dem Boys is like 57M. Crazy.
I often wonder why more NFL GMs don't work the way Howie does.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 17, 2024 12:13:25 GMT -5
Howie has perfected the art of Cap Space and "kicking the can down the road" with contracts. He backloads just about every new signing/contract, so that the really BIG $ per year is never seen by a player. And when possible, he restructures the contract so that the player will get more guaranteed up front money, which won't kill a teams Cap. For example, Hurts cap hit this season is only 13M. Next year it's only like 22M. The following year it's still only about 30M. Whereas your QBs hit this season is what, 44M? And Dak's for dem Boys is like 57M. Crazy. I often wonder why more NFL GMs don't work the way Howie does. Most general managers have to rub two pennies to make a nickel.. The elites can stretch a dollar to the point that it’s begging for change. Regardless of the colors he wears.. or the city he calls home. Howie Roseman can manipulate the cap better than anyone. He knows when to pull the trigger on a trade.. and when to cut a player before he infects the bloodstream of the team.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 17, 2024 12:20:45 GMT -5
Howie has perfected the art of Cap Space and "kicking the can down the road" with contracts. He backloads just about every new signing/contract, so that the really BIG $ per year is never seen by a player. And when possible, he restructures the contract so that the player will get more guaranteed up front money, which won't kill a teams Cap. For example, Hurts cap hit this season is only 13M. Next year it's only like 22M. The following year it's still only about 30M. Whereas your QBs hit this season is what, 44M? And Dak's for dem Boys is like 57M. Crazy. I often wonder why more NFL GMs don't work the way Howie does.Every big contract that is signed in the NFL is done this way. Both Schoen and Gettlemen have structured contracts incrementally with their top free agents.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 19, 2024 9:40:25 GMT -5
The cap increased by $30 million so that helps. Assuming it increases by $20 million next yr and they will absorb a lot of dead money from Cox and Kelce retiring and will likely move out Graham. It comes down to drafting. All the teams spend yet you need to draft well and have enough talented players to contribute whereas the Giants just have too many roster spots which can’t contribute. The Giants have no depth and we saw, yet again, nobody at Guard or RT could block despite roster spots. Other teams lost players yet the contributions are better. Eagles use void years I think and am not sure but I think this spreads these cap hits out long after the contract expires making less of a hit as the cap rises year after year. If the player is good and healthy they just rework and extend don't know why other teams don't use this method the Eagles and Saints and to some extent the Cowboys bill never seems come due for them to reach cap hell and they just keep on spending. The Eagles last year were way over but managed to move money around and bring back key players last minute, came back this year and added key players to lucrative contracts not missing a beat and are projected to be a good cap health going forward the next couple years from what I have read on there situation. For the Giants it seems they are in decent cap health also going and are starting to make some of those big moves we will see if they can manage it the way teams like the Eagles Saints do over spend but never have take the pain of cap hell.
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Post by keyofgmen on Mar 19, 2024 10:24:40 GMT -5
One thing not discussed much is the teams MUST spend 89% of their CAP over a 4 year period.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 19, 2024 11:11:15 GMT -5
So fundamentally you can manipulate the cap better if you’ve drafted well. And over an extended period of time the Eagles have drafted well.
I think our drafts are improving under JS. The “JS is an idiot for signing DJ” crowd are reaching for their BP meds right now but here’s a cut and paste from another thread comparison between Roseman/Schoen’s early draft picks 22’-23’
Roseman: Jordan Davis, Cameron Jurgens, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen.
So from that list Jalen Carter looks legit. Developing faster than Thibs. Steen is also getting props from Kelce. Juergen is well thought of but ended up on the IR at the beginning of Oct.
So let’s call both of them question marks with upside (JMS like). Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith look like straight up busts. In fact Davis’ struggles is what partially led the Eagles to go interior D-line two years in a row with their 1st pick.
So of Roseman’s picks: 1 looks legit, 2 have upside, and two look like backups at best (Davis may be worse than that). Roseman is considered a very good GM.
JS: Thibs, Neal, Robinson, Banks, JMS. Without being bias I’ll say Thibs looks legit (not as strong as Carter), so does Banks, Robinson looks like a starter, JMS is a question mark with upside, and Neal is a bust.
I’d give an edge to JS, but I’m biased so let’s call it even.
So drafting eventually allows you to swing big in FA and back end load money. But it’s not magic. As that Eagles o line turns over and we get into the last two years of that Hurts contract, you’ll see a bloodletting like you’re seeing in Buffalo.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 19, 2024 11:18:04 GMT -5
Howie has perfected the art of Cap Space and "kicking the can down the road" with contracts. He backloads just about every new signing/contract, so that the really BIG $ per year is never seen by a player. And when possible, he restructures the contract so that the player will get more guaranteed up front money, which won't kill a teams Cap. For example, Hurts cap hit this season is only 13M. Next year it's only like 22M. The following year it's still only about 30M. Whereas your QBs hit this season is what, 44M? And Dak's for dem Boys is like 57M. Crazy. I often wonder why more NFL GMs don't work the way Howie does. No he actually doesn't. His "strategy" is just signing cast-aways / older veterans to short-term deals and it's very indicative of the Eagles inconsistency. The Eagles since 2015 at least, have never gotten farther in the playoffs / success than the year prior. They always take a step backwards the following year because he just banks on those mercenaries returning to form or squeezing out another year or 2 of quality play. You believe they will be able to fix Hurts contract via extension etc but they will get caught within the next 2 years paying 45-60m to hurts for a year or 2 because of the guaranteed money. Truth is, Howie has been one of the worst GMs when it comes to the draft and the back-bone of the team over the years are starting to deteriorate / retire and you get seasons like last year...where the lack of depth and developing players starts showing up when there are injuries / aging vets. I hope you enjoyed the Eagles being decent the last couple years because it's going downhill fast.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 19, 2024 11:22:24 GMT -5
Howie has perfected the art of Cap Space and "kicking the can down the road" with contracts. He backloads just about every new signing/contract, so that the really BIG $ per year is never seen by a player. And when possible, he restructures the contract so that the player will get more guaranteed up front money, which won't kill a teams Cap. For example, Hurts cap hit this season is only 13M. Next year it's only like 22M. The following year it's still only about 30M. Whereas your QBs hit this season is what, 44M? And Dak's for dem Boys is like 57M. Crazy. I often wonder why more NFL GMs don't work the way Howie does. Most general managers have to rub two pennies to make a nickel.. The elites can stretch a dollar to the point that it’s begging for change. Regardless of the colors he wears.. or the city he calls home. Howie Roseman can manipulate the cap better than anyone. He knows when to pull the trigger on a trade.. and when to cut a player before he infects the bloodstream of the team. Is that why they resigned Bradberry? Is that why they have virtually no defense past the dline? that team is ***** for a few years because they WON'T be able to avoid paying Hurts an absurd cap hit in the next couple years due to the guaranteed money. You can only manipulate the cap so far...it's why they resort to signing names as opposed to talent ( Leonard / Byard last year for example) Devin White this offseason, they're building a team of cast-offs in hope they can become what they once were LOL and the main rreason for this is because Howie can NOT draft...look at there Draft picks and it's pretty horrific. They barely have any draft picks on the team from 2+ years ago
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Post by imgrate on Mar 19, 2024 11:30:07 GMT -5
Most general managers have to rub two pennies to make a nickel.. The elites can stretch a dollar to the point that it’s begging for change. Regardless of the colors he wears.. or the city he calls home. Howie Roseman can manipulate the cap better than anyone. He knows when to pull the trigger on a trade.. and when to cut a player before he infects the bloodstream of the team. Is that why they resigned Bradberry? Is that why they have virtually no defense past the dline? that team is ***** for a few years because they WON'T be able to avoid paying Hurts an absurd cap hit in the next couple years due to the guaranteed money. You can only manipulate the cap so far...it's why they resort to signing names as opposed to talent ( Leonard / Byard last year for example) Devin White this offseason, they're building a team of cast-offs in hope they can become what they once were LOL and the main rreason for this is because Howie can NOT draft...look at there Draft picks and it's pretty horrific. They barely have any draft picks on the team from 2+ years ago You must not have looked at Hurts cap hits. DJ is 47mill this year, Hurts doesnt get to 44mil cap hit until? 2027
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Post by idkaname on Mar 19, 2024 13:14:32 GMT -5
Is that why they resigned Bradberry? Is that why they have virtually no defense past the dline? that team is ***** for a few years because they WON'T be able to avoid paying Hurts an absurd cap hit in the next couple years due to the guaranteed money. You can only manipulate the cap so far...it's why they resort to signing names as opposed to talent ( Leonard / Byard last year for example) Devin White this offseason, they're building a team of cast-offs in hope they can become what they once were LOL and the main rreason for this is because Howie can NOT draft...look at there Draft picks and it's pretty horrific. They barely have any draft picks on the team from 2+ years ago You must not have looked at Hurts cap hits. DJ is 47mill this year, Hurts doesnt get to 44mil cap hit until? 2027 All they did was spread out his guaranteed money and were able to wait an additional year (2023) because he still had a year left on his rookie contract anyway. They have no "out" until 2028 where they have to eat 24mil (basically our "out" after 2 years with Jones). By 2026 his guaranteed money jumps from 110mil (at signing) to 179mil by 2026. Not to mention, there's been several rumors that Hurts feels "pressured" by the contract...unless you truly believe there's a a massive leap in talent from Hurts to Jones, which I would like an explanation for...The Giants really just gave Jones a 1 year contract (2024) and if that doesn't work we can start moving on rather quickly...whereas the Eagles have to depend on a running QB staying healthy for 5+ years or just live with him if he doesn't perform as expected...he's not exactly "proven" yet...yes, they save more per year but they HAVE to keep Hurts, I'm perfectly fine with that...we could've did the same thing with Jones...would you have preferred that ?
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Post by Jomo on Mar 19, 2024 16:51:59 GMT -5
So fundamentally you can manipulate the cap better if you’ve drafted well. And over an extended period of time the Eagles have drafted well. I think our drafts are improving under JS. The “JS is an idiot for signing DJ” crowd are reaching for their BP meds right now but here’s a cut and paste from another thread comparison between Roseman/Schoen’s early draft picks 22’-23’ Roseman: Jordan Davis, Cameron Jurgens, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen. So from that list Jalen Carter looks legit. Developing faster than Thibs. Steen is also getting props from Kelce. Juergen is well thought of but ended up on the IR at the beginning of Oct. So let’s call both of them question marks with upside (JMS like). Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith look like straight up busts. In fact Davis’ struggles is what partially led the Eagles to go interior D-line two years in a row with their 1st pick. So of Roseman’s picks: 1 looks legit, 2 have upside, and two look like backups at best (Davis may be worse than that). Roseman is considered a very good GM. JS: Thibs, Neal, Robinson, Banks, JMS. Without being bias I’ll say Thibs looks legit (not as strong as Carter), so does Banks, Robinson looks like a starter, JMS is a question mark with upside, and Neal is a bust. I’d give an edge to JS, but I’m biased so let’s call it even. So drafting eventually allows you to swing big in FA and back end load money. But it’s not magic. As that Eagles o line turns over and we get into the last two years of that Hurts contract, you’ll see a bloodletting like you’re seeing in Buffalo. The highlighted part of your post is the biggest part of it. When you draft well, as they have, you always have a pool of players who are being paid well below their value in free agency. That allows the Eagles to always appear to have big money to swoop in and nail the player of their choice.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 19, 2024 21:08:12 GMT -5
Most general managers have to rub two pennies to make a nickel.. The elites can stretch a dollar to the point that it’s begging for change. Regardless of the colors he wears.. or the city he calls home. Howie Roseman can manipulate the cap better than anyone. He knows when to pull the trigger on a trade.. and when to cut a player before he infects the bloodstream of the team. Is that why they resigned Bradberry? Is that why they have virtually no defense past the dline? that team is ***** for a few years because they WON'T be able to avoid paying Hurts an absurd cap hit in the next couple years due to the guaranteed money. You can only manipulate the cap so far...it's why they resort to signing names as opposed to talent ( Leonard / Byard last year for example) Devin White this offseason, they're building a team of cast-offs in hope they can become what they once were LOL and the main rreason for this is because Howie can NOT draft...look at there Draft picks and it's pretty horrific. They barely have any draft picks on the team from 2+ years ago What are you blabbering about.. There’s nothing inconsistent about how the Eagles do business.. There’s a reason why we pillaged their front office and stole Brandon Brown away from them. If you can’t beat them.. pay him. This is the same franchise that snagged A.J Brown a year to the day after leap frogging us to draft Devonta Smith. Not enough.. They got Darius Slay for a 3rd and a fifth of vodka. And just when you thought the Eagles hit a dead end.. Howie pulls it in reverse and does a wheelie with the Bears moving up and getting Jalen Carter. The same bulldog who was named to the all rookie team.. As Fletcher Cox walks out the door.. Jalen Carter takes his seat. As for Shaq Leonard.. They were down to the studs at linebacker. They were putting out flyers and giving tryouts to the Philly fanatic. This isn’t baseball.. Where you can grab a game breaker. Most of the players are retreads.. rejects.. And most importantly.. reduced.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 19, 2024 21:16:13 GMT -5
So fundamentally you can manipulate the cap better if you’ve drafted well. And over an extended period of time the Eagles have drafted well. I think our drafts are improving under JS. The “JS is an idiot for signing DJ” crowd are reaching for their BP meds right now but here’s a cut and paste from another thread comparison between Roseman/Schoen’s early draft picks 22’-23’ Roseman: Jordan Davis, Cameron Jurgens, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen. So from that list Jalen Carter looks legit. Developing faster than Thibs. Steen is also getting props from Kelce. Juergen is well thought of but ended up on the IR at the beginning of Oct. So let’s call both of them question marks with upside (JMS like). Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith look like straight up busts. In fact Davis’ struggles is what partially led the Eagles to go interior D-line two years in a row with their 1st pick. So of Roseman’s picks: 1 looks legit, 2 have upside, and two look like backups at best (Davis may be worse than that). Roseman is considered a very good GM. JS: Thibs, Neal, Robinson, Banks, JMS. Without being bias I’ll say Thibs looks legit (not as strong as Carter), so does Banks, Robinson looks like a starter, JMS is a question mark with upside, and Neal is a bust. I’d give an edge to JS, but I’m biased so let’s call it even. So drafting eventually allows you to swing big in FA and back end load money. But it’s not magic. As that Eagles o line turns over and we get into the last two years of that Hurts contract, you’ll see a bloodletting like you’re seeing in Buffalo. Add to that Roseman, looking for a WR took Raegor over Jefferson. Even the GMs considered the elite make huge mistakes.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 19, 2024 21:53:22 GMT -5
The cap increased by $30 million so that helps. Assuming it increases by $20 million next yr and they will absorb a lot of dead money from Cox and Kelce retiring and will likely move out Graham. It comes down to drafting. All the teams spend yet you need to draft well and have enough talented players to contribute whereas the Giants just have too many roster spots which can’t contribute. The Giants have no depth and we saw, yet again, nobody at Guard or RT could block despite roster spots. Other teams lost players yet the contributions are better. Eagles use void years I think and am not sure but I think this spreads these cap hits out long after the contract expires making less of a hit as the cap rises year after year. If the player is good and healthy they just rework and extend don't know why other teams don't use this method the Eagles and Saints and to some extent the Cowboys bill never seems come due for them to reach cap hell and they just keep on spending. The Eagles last year were way over but managed to move money around and bring back key players last minute, came back this year and added key players to lucrative contracts not missing a beat and are projected to be a good cap health going forward the next couple years from what I have read on there situation. For the Giants it seems they are in decent cap health also going and are starting to make some of those big moves we will see if they can manage it the way teams like the Eagles Saints do over spend but never have take the pain of cap hell. The Eagles cut plenty of players, just last year... Within the first few hours, the Eagles lost four starters from the NFL's No. 2 defense – T.J. Edwards, Marcus Epps, Javon Hargrave and Kyzir White. In the next few days, they also lost Pro Bowl running back Miles Sanders, starting guard Isaac Seumalo and NFL interception leader Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.Probably why their defense sucked this year. Cowboys are losing players this year, as is Baltimore. Nobody great team can keep everyone. Schoen wasted almost 20% of the cap on a bad QB...then had to let 2 of the top 5 most talented players walk. That's not a good way to build a roster.
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Post by Merlin on Mar 20, 2024 7:28:41 GMT -5
Eagles use void years I think and am not sure but I think this spreads these cap hits out long after the contract expires making less of a hit as the cap rises year after year. If the player is good and healthy they just rework and extend don't know why other teams don't use this method the Eagles and Saints and to some extent the Cowboys bill never seems come due for them to reach cap hell and they just keep on spending. The Eagles last year were way over but managed to move money around and bring back key players last minute, came back this year and added key players to lucrative contracts not missing a beat and are projected to be a good cap health going forward the next couple years from what I have read on there situation. For the Giants it seems they are in decent cap health also going and are starting to make some of those big moves we will see if they can manage it the way teams like the Eagles Saints do over spend but never have take the pain of cap hell. The Eagles cut plenty of players, just last year... Within the first few hours, the Eagles lost four starters from the NFL's No. 2 defense – T.J. Edwards, Marcus Epps, Javon Hargrave and Kyzir White. In the next few days, they also lost Pro Bowl running back Miles Sanders, starting guard Isaac Seumalo and NFL interception leader Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.Probably why their defense sucked this year. Cowboys are losing players this year, as is Baltimore. Nobody great team can keep everyone. Schoen wasted almost 20% of the cap on a bad QB...then had to let 2 of the top 5 most talented players walk. That's not a good way to build a roster. He didn't have to let them go, he chose to. He doesn't value putting big money into those positions even if super talented. He extended Thomas, Dex, Jones, Traded for Waller, Signed Okreke to a 4 year deal, Runyan to a 3 year deal. Traded for and extended Burns. Used premium picks on EDGE,RT,WR,CB,C.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 20, 2024 7:53:29 GMT -5
So fundamentally you can manipulate the cap better if you’ve drafted well. And over an extended period of time the Eagles have drafted well. I think our drafts are improving under JS. The “JS is an idiot for signing DJ” crowd are reaching for their BP meds right now but here’s a cut and paste from another thread comparison between Roseman/Schoen’s early draft picks 22’-23’ Roseman: Jordan Davis, Cameron Jurgens, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen. So from that list Jalen Carter looks legit. Developing faster than Thibs. Steen is also getting props from Kelce. Juergen is well thought of but ended up on the IR at the beginning of Oct. So let’s call both of them question marks with upside (JMS like). Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith look like straight up busts. In fact Davis’ struggles is what partially led the Eagles to go interior D-line two years in a row with their 1st pick. So of Roseman’s picks: 1 looks legit, 2 have upside, and two look like backups at best (Davis may be worse than that). Roseman is considered a very good GM. JS: Thibs, Neal, Robinson, Banks, JMS. Without being bias I’ll say Thibs looks legit (not as strong as Carter), so does Banks, Robinson looks like a starter, JMS is a question mark with upside, and Neal is a bust. I’d give an edge to JS, but I’m biased so let’s call it even. So drafting eventually allows you to swing big in FA and back end load money. But it’s not magic. As that Eagles o line turns over and we get into the last two years of that Hurts contract, you’ll see a bloodletting like you’re seeing in Buffalo. Add to that Roseman, looking for a WR took Raegor over Jefferson. Even the GMs considered the elite make huge mistakes. Roseman realized his mistake quickly and traded Reagor before the next season srted so he got something for a player who was not to good. It ok to make mistakes but more important to learn from it and turn it into an opprtunity to make the team better is what good GMs do. 21 Teams passed up on Jefferson 24 team passed up on Ayuik the same draft. You have to trust your board . I am hoping JS turns out to make decisions promptly when new information comes to light and turn every problem into an oppurtunity to make the team better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 20, 2024 8:01:47 GMT -5
Eagles use void years I think and am not sure but I think this spreads these cap hits out long after the contract expires making less of a hit as the cap rises year after year. If the player is good and healthy they just rework and extend don't know why other teams don't use this method the Eagles and Saints and to some extent the Cowboys bill never seems come due for them to reach cap hell and they just keep on spending. The Eagles last year were way over but managed to move money around and bring back key players last minute, came back this year and added key players to lucrative contracts not missing a beat and are projected to be a good cap health going forward the next couple years from what I have read on there situation. For the Giants it seems they are in decent cap health also going and are starting to make some of those big moves we will see if they can manage it the way teams like the Eagles Saints do over spend but never have take the pain of cap hell. The Eagles cut plenty of players, just last year... Within the first few hours, the Eagles lost four starters from the NFL's No. 2 defense – T.J. Edwards, Marcus Epps, Javon Hargrave and Kyzir White. In the next few days, they also lost Pro Bowl running back Miles Sanders, starting guard Isaac Seumalo and NFL interception leader Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.Probably why their defense sucked this year. Cowboys are losing players this year, as is Baltimore. Nobody great team can keep everyone. Schoen wasted almost 20% of the cap on a bad QB...then had to let 2 of the top 5 most talented players walk. That's not a good way to build a roster. Thing with is this front office prescribes strictly to positional value, for me there is a lot of Gray area when it comes to RBs and safety's Barkley is and can be much more then just a runner thats why the Giants offense struggles even more than usual when he is not available. McKinney can do almost everything as a safety his and Barkley value are much higher than the average safety that can play one spot and not be versatile same with Barkley as far as RBs go. Teams need to have a plan for him or he will wreck a game, in Philly we might see just how good he is because they have WRS that have to be covered and a QB that has to accounted for in the run game SQB is gonna have a lot of alone time with LBS and Safeties in the pattern or with the ball in his hands if they block the way they have for years he is gonna be 2 three yards into the second level before being touched alot. To bad it's with Philly it would have been fun to watch.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 20, 2024 8:03:00 GMT -5
Add to that Roseman, looking for a WR took Raegor over Jefferson. Even the GMs considered the elite make huge mistakes. Roseman realized his mistake quickly and traded Reagor before the next season srted so he got something for a player who was not to good. It ok to make mistakes but more important to learn from it and turn it into an opprtunity to make the team better is what good GMs do. 21 Teams passed up on Jefferson 24 team passed up on Ayuik the same draft. You have to trust your board . I am hoping JS turns out to make decisions promptly when new information comes to light and turn every problem into an oppurtunity to make the team better. All GMs make mistakes shit they drafted Wentz and he was gonna a year to after signing a big deal at least he had trade value.
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Post by bigblueones on Mar 20, 2024 8:41:09 GMT -5
The best way to have cap space is to know what the **** you're doing when you draft players. We suck at drafting. cdngfan said it above. Drafting well saves your cap space because you're not hamstrung to pay big bucks to free agents to fill holes and you have to be smart enough not to be emotionally attached to your draft picks and overpay (I give credit to Schoen in this regard to Barkley). The Solder experiment still ticks me off, an example of us not evaluating talent well enough. Roseman isn't afraid to jettison players because he has a pipeline of talent that can fill holes, we just don't. Even if Schoen is the guy, it's going to take time to fix this mess. Then we all have to wonder who and what our talent evaluators are thinking.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 20, 2024 20:39:40 GMT -5
The Eagles cut plenty of players, just last year... Within the first few hours, the Eagles lost four starters from the NFL's No. 2 defense – T.J. Edwards, Marcus Epps, Javon Hargrave and Kyzir White. In the next few days, they also lost Pro Bowl running back Miles Sanders, starting guard Isaac Seumalo and NFL interception leader Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.Probably why their defense sucked this year. Cowboys are losing players this year, as is Baltimore. Nobody great team can keep everyone. Schoen wasted almost 20% of the cap on a bad QB...then had to let 2 of the top 5 most talented players walk. That's not a good way to build a roster. Thing with is this front office prescribes strictly to positional value, for me there is a lot of Gray area when it comes to RBs and safety's Barkley is and can be much more then just a runner thats why the Giants offense struggles even more than usual when he is not available. McKinney can do almost everything as a safety his and Barkley value are much higher than the average safety that can play one spot and not be versatile same with Barkley as far as RBs go. Teams need to have a plan for him or he will wreck a game, in Philly we might see just how good he is because they have WRS that have to be covered and a QB that has to accounted for in the run game SQB is gonna have a lot of alone time with LBS and Safeties in the pattern or with the ball in his hands if they block the way they have for years he is gonna be 2 three yards into the second level before being touched alot. To bad it's with Philly it would have been fun to watch. Plus, Philly will probably have the good sense to use Barkley in the screen game. That’s something the Giants didn’t do nearly enough of.
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