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Post by McCherry on Mar 17, 2024 11:25:39 GMT -5
Pittsburgh is an example of a well run NFL franchise, what the Giants were under Wellington Mara. Their worst seasons are pretty much better than the Giants best seasons the last 10 years. They seem to never have a bad year, typically don't have top 10 draft picks every year like the Giants, and still win. But what does that have to do with us? Pittsburg isn't in prime position to draft one of the top QB's, nor are they financially committed to another QB, so they have the flexibility to build around Fields if they choose.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 17, 2024 11:27:26 GMT -5
The moral to the story OSU QBs = Mediocre Troy Smith Art Schlichter Terrelle Pryor Craig Krenzel Cardale Jones Bobby Hoying Dwayne Haskins Kent Graham Joe Germaine Justin Fields John Borton Dave Leggett Tom Tupa 1 Joe Burrow That is 7.7% success rate. Now do Penn St running backs.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 17, 2024 11:28:18 GMT -5
Now if Schoen (or a fan) are more confident that we will draft a good QB this year and that Fields really is nothing but a back up QB (I honestly don’t know) then I get your position of not wanting to do that trade for Fields.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 11:28:26 GMT -5
Pittsburgh is an example of a well run NFL franchise, what the Giants were under Wellington Mara. Their worst seasons are pretty much better than the Giants best seasons the last 10 years. They seem to never have a bad year, typically don't have top 10 draft picks every year like the Giants, and still win. But what does that have to do with us? Pittsburg isn't in prime position to draft one of the top QB's, nor are they financially committed to another QB, so they have the flexibility to build around Fields if they choose. nothing considering Pittsburgh is a well run franchise who wins regardless of draft slot and made two quick moves b/c they had a Qb issue.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 11:30:25 GMT -5
The moral to the story OSU QBs = Mediocre Troy Smith Art Schlichter Terrelle Pryor Craig Krenzel Cardale Jones Bobby Hoying Dwayne Haskins Kent Graham Joe Germaine Justin Fields John Borton Dave Leggett Tom Tupa 1 Joe Burrow That is 7.7% success rate. confused. Burrow went to LSU.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 17, 2024 11:30:27 GMT -5
Low risk.. High reward. The Steelers whose biggest flops are our greatest hits.. Prove yet again why they’re playing chess with their pieces.. As we are still stuck on go fish with ours. Two players that aren’t making jack shit while Denver and Chicago are still licking their wounds. Pittsburgh is holding all the cards while two players battle it out for supremacy. Wilson who is at the twilight of his career.. is playing on a one year deal looking for that last extension. Fields who has a fifth year option looming over their head, won’t have it picked up with a crane. So another player who will be playing for a new contract. That makes two players who are polar opposites on the field that have the same goals off it. The Steelers are banking on the competition will bring the best out of them. and I bet it will. Just look how they looked with bums at qb last year lol and still almost made the playoffs. I'm banking on them to do big big things this year. You talk about the meaning of super motivated and chips on the shoulder............... Almost.. They got it in spite of their less than nothing play from the quarterback position. While most teams take a shot of mulligan and chase it with a dash of humility. The Steelers hit the phones and weren’t impressed with just making it to the dance. Unlike us who have standards that ants trip over. Pittsburgh saw the weak link and bonded it with steel of their own.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 17, 2024 11:35:30 GMT -5
As cdngfan said, the one you give him if he plays well for you. In our position, what’s more risky, taking an unknown QB with the 6th overall pick (or giving up future draft assets to move up) or giving up a 4th or 6th round pick, starting Fields (which he most likely would) and if he plays well keep Jones on the bench which prevents him from getting his injury clause (which I think is ~25 million if he gets hurt) and tag Fields in 2025 which will probably cost ~40 million? I’ll take the chance with Fields, if he doesn’t play well this year we lose a 4th round pick at most, if he does, we potentially gain a franchise QB. I also think there’s a decent probability DJ will get hurt so if Fields did play well and Jones never saw the field, the franchise tag would only “potentially” be 15 million if you think Jones would rob the Giants one last time which I do. I’m not saying Fields will be anything more than a backup but I would risk a 4th round pick over paying Lock and if he does do well then we save a 6th overall risk pick (possibly more) on drafting a QB this year or next. I get the whole QB on a rookie contract thing but I also know how many QB’s turn out to be busts. I would take a 4th round pick in Fields for a test drive and draft a WR with the 6th. If he doesn’t work out, get your QB next year which we may be doing anyways which would also be dumb at this point IMO since we only have Jones and Lock who we are certain suck and now Jones is a legit injury risk. If you think Fields is a better prospect than anyone we have a shot to draft, that's fine I get that. I don't feel that way, In terms of the Giants plans to have Lock as an emergency backup as well as drafting a QB, Fields doesn't make sense for us. If things go right, Lock will never play this season, so I'd rather not give up picks. The Steelers didn't get Fields to sit on the bench. He'll get a fair shot there.
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Post by repeatchamps on Mar 17, 2024 11:50:00 GMT -5
These are the things that annoy me unless they asked Fields as the Giants asked Williams where he wanted to go why aren't they in on stuff like this. Giants have a really good chance of being the odd man out with the QB situation that has 4 solid 1st rounders and had 2 pretty good options in the secondary market in Wilson and Fields. I like the trade for Burns but he like Thibs is not strong against the run and a QB should have been a top priority the last couple days the Viking and Steelers made sure they were gonna have the best options possible for their franchises to fill the most important position on the field and in sports. If they come away with Daniel Jones and Drew Lock at the end of this offseason cycle thats a problem especially the way they willing to be aggressive and trade for an edge who is good but not top 5. That is not what I heard about Burns. Heard he is solid against run as well. Not just a pass rusher and he may not quite be top 5 but he is very close. With a better supporting cast I think he surely will be top 5.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 17, 2024 11:51:50 GMT -5
In our position, what’s more risky, taking an unknown QB with the 6th overall pick (or giving up future draft assets to move up) or giving up a 4th or 6th round pick, starting Fields (which he most likely would) and if he plays well keep Jones on the bench which prevents him from getting his injury clause (which I think is ~25 million if he gets hurt) and tag Fields in 2025 which will probably cost ~40 million? I’ll take the chance with Fields, if he doesn’t play well this year we lose a 4th round pick at most, if he does, we potentially gain a franchise QB. I also think there’s a decent probability DJ will get hurt so if Fields did play well and Jones never saw the field, the franchise tag would only “potentially” be 15 million if you think Jones would rob the Giants one last time which I do. I’m not saying Fields will be anything more than a backup but I would risk a 4th round pick over paying Lock and if he does do well then we save a 6th overall risk pick (possibly more) on drafting a QB this year or next. I get the whole QB on a rookie contract thing but I also know how many QB’s turn out to be busts. I would take a 4th round pick in Fields for a test drive and draft a WR with the 6th. If he doesn’t work out, get your QB next year which we may be doing anyways which would also be dumb at this point IMO since we only have Jones and Lock who we are certain suck and now Jones is a legit injury risk. If you think Fields is a better prospect than anyone we have a shot to draft, that's fine I get that. I don't feel that way, In terms of the Giants plans to have Lock as an emergency backup as well as drafting a QB, Fields doesn't make sense for us. If things go right, Lock will never play this season, so I'd rather not give up picks. The Steelers didn't get Fields to sit on the bench. He'll get a fair shot there. He should have got a fair shot here if we didn’t draft a QB this year. Out of curiosity, and I’m not saying this to be argumentative because I have no idea how these QB’s will work out and apparently most GM’s don’t either hence the high bust rate, but what QB’s do you think we have a realistic shot at that will be better than Fields?
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Post by OrangeGiant on Mar 17, 2024 11:53:10 GMT -5
Pittsburgh is an example of a well run NFL franchise, what the Giants were under Wellington Mara. Their worst seasons are pretty much better than the Giants best seasons the last 10 years. They seem to never have a bad year, typically don't have top 10 draft picks every year like the Giants, and still win. But what does that have to do with us? Pittsburg isn't in prime position to draft one of the top QB's, nor are they financially committed to another QB, so they have the flexibility to build around Fields if they choose. It was a general statement regarding the Steelers being a well run franchise. They make sound decisions as a franchise. I get the fact that if Fields plays well, they will have to pay him if they choose him to be the starter after next season. But what other choice do they have? If he ends up turning a corner and realizing his potential, then he gets paid. They tried with Pickett and determined he wasn't the guy. At least they realized it before they did what the Giants did with Jones. Now they have a guy who can at minimum press Wilson a bit and maybe motivate him, and if not they have a very good backup.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 17, 2024 12:06:06 GMT -5
If you think Fields is a better prospect than anyone we have a shot to draft, that's fine I get that. I don't feel that way, In terms of the Giants plans to have Lock as an emergency backup as well as drafting a QB, Fields doesn't make sense for us. If things go right, Lock will never play this season, so I'd rather not give up picks. The Steelers didn't get Fields to sit on the bench. He'll get a fair shot there. He should have got a fair shot here if we didn’t draft a QB this year. Out of curiosity, and I’m not saying this to be argumentative because I have no idea how these QB’s will work out and apparently most GM’s don’t either hence the high bust rate, but what QB’s do you think we have a realistic shot at that will be better than Fields? I would rather take shots at McCarthy, Nix and Penix over Fields. We also can't rule out a move-up to the top 3. I've seen Fields, he's not impressive. I think the draft compensation the Bears received reflects that.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 17, 2024 12:13:22 GMT -5
The moral to the story OSU QBs = Mediocre Troy Smith Art Schlichter Terrelle Pryor Craig Krenzel Cardale Jones Bobby Hoying Dwayne Haskins Kent Graham Joe Germaine Justin Fields John Borton Dave Leggett Tom Tupa 1 Joe Burrow That is 7.7% success rate. confused. Burrow went to LSU. he started his college career at OSU before transferring.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 17, 2024 12:23:49 GMT -5
He should have got a fair shot here if we didn’t draft a QB this year. Out of curiosity, and I’m not saying this to be argumentative because I have no idea how these QB’s will work out and apparently most GM’s don’t either hence the high bust rate, but what QB’s do you think we have a realistic shot at that will be better than Fields? I would rather take shots at McCarthy, Nix and Penix over Fields. We also can't rule out a move-up to the top 3. I've seen Fields, he's not impressive. I think the draft compensation the Bears received reflects that. Fair enough. Penix used to be my favorite out of all of them, minus the injuries obviously, until I watched the National Championship game. Damn, he looked liked absolute shit and that was against a college defense. That game, plus the injuries, really turned me off. I have no idea what to think of Nix and McCarthy is a big question mark due to his lack of throwing. Whichever GM picks McCarthy better hope he works out or he may get fired for taking such a risk.
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 12:24:25 GMT -5
The moral to the story OSU QBs = Mediocre Troy Smith Art Schlichter Terrelle Pryor Craig Krenzel Cardale Jones Bobby Hoying Dwayne Haskins Kent Graham Joe Germaine Justin Fields John Borton Dave Leggett Tom Tupa 1 Joe Burrow That is 7.7% success rate. confused. Burrow went to LSU. He did play for Ohio State for his first 3 seasons.
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 12:24:50 GMT -5
The moral to the story OSU QBs = Mediocre Troy Smith Art Schlichter Terrelle Pryor Craig Krenzel Cardale Jones Bobby Hoying Dwayne Haskins Kent Graham Joe Germaine Justin Fields John Borton Dave Leggett Tom Tupa 1 Joe Burrow That is 7.7% success rate. Now do Penn St running backs. Just as bad.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 17, 2024 12:30:34 GMT -5
Low risk.. High reward. The Steelers whose biggest flops are our greatest hits.. Prove yet again why they’re playing chess with their pieces.. As we are still stuck on go fish with ours. Two players that aren’t making jack shit while Denver and Chicago are still licking their wounds. Pittsburgh is holding all the cards while two players battle it out for supremacy. Wilson who is at the twilight of his career.. is playing on a one year deal looking for that last extension. Fields who has a fifth year option looming over their head, won’t have it picked up with a crane. So another player who will be playing for a new contract. That makes two players who are polar opposites on the field that have the same goals off it. The Steelers are banking on the competition will bring the best out of them. how is that low risk? Worst case scenario (which isn’t unlikely at all) neither qb works out for them and they set their search for a real QB back for a couple years…let’s keep applauding mediocrity 👏
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 17, 2024 12:56:46 GMT -5
Low risk.. High reward. The Steelers whose biggest flops are our greatest hits.. Prove yet again why they’re playing chess with their pieces.. As we are still stuck on go fish with ours. Two players that aren’t making jack shit while Denver and Chicago are still licking their wounds. Pittsburgh is holding all the cards while two players battle it out for supremacy. Wilson who is at the twilight of his career.. is playing on a one year deal looking for that last extension. Fields who has a fifth year option looming over their head, won’t have it picked up with a crane. So another player who will be playing for a new contract. That makes two players who are polar opposites on the field that have the same goals off it. The Steelers are banking on the competition will bring the best out of them. how is that low risk? Worst case scenario (which isn’t unlikely at all) neither qb works out for them and they set their search for a real QB back for a couple years…let’s keep applauding mediocrity 👏 Did you fall down the tree of ignorance and hit every branch on your way down.. If Fields and Wilson both flame out..who gives a shit.. They gave up scrap metal for them. They have two players at pivotal positions under their control for nothing.. and playing for a new deal. Hope is a strategy for losers.. The Steelers used motivation as their tool for success..
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 17, 2024 12:58:40 GMT -5
confused. Burrow went to LSU. He did play for Ohio State for his first 3 seasons. Didn’t just attend? He saw the field? Idk if that counts but, ok
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 13:10:00 GMT -5
He did play for Ohio State for his first 3 seasons. Didn’t just attend? He saw the field? Idk if that counts but, ok I probability would have got what about Burrow he went to OSU?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 17, 2024 14:42:38 GMT -5
and I bet it will. Just look how they looked with bums at qb last year lol and still almost made the playoffs. I'm banking on them to do big big things this year. You talk about the meaning of super motivated and chips on the shoulder............... Almost.. They got it in spite of their less than nothing play from the quarterback position. While most teams take a shot of mulligan and chase it with a dash of humility. The Steelers hit the phones and weren’t impressed with just making it to the dance. Unlike us who have standards that ants trip over. Pittsburgh saw the weak link and bonded it with steel of their own. you're right and I forgot lol. Indeedy then they stay doing good good things and will be back to the promise land dang sure looks like before us smdh
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 18, 2024 9:18:12 GMT -5
I wish we had Fields instead of Danny Worthless
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Post by jaymas on Mar 18, 2024 9:53:50 GMT -5
Pittsburgh is an example of a well run NFL franchise, what the Giants were under Wellington Mara. Their worst seasons are pretty much better than the Giants best seasons the last 10 years. They seem to never have a bad year, typically don't have top 10 draft picks every year like the Giants, and still win. Love Wellington Mara. Key figure in NFL history, one of the most important people to exist for the league and by all accounts was a great guy. To outright claim this well-run thing relative to some obscure definition of the word is...silly. What he established was the Giants as a franchise that treats people well and overwhelmingly gets that same praise even when the product on the field is lesser He oversaw the darkest time in Giants history, feuded with his brother, had to have a league-appointed GM put in place, etc. All well-covered ground at this point. Things we'd eviscerate John Mara for, like signing off on Ray Handley instead of BB, are glossed over (not that I personally think he had control, that's what GMs are for and have always had power to make decisions on with the Giants). But even in a more modern NFL, the 90s and 2000s while he was still the owner, there were 3 winning seasons in the 90s. In the 2000s, there was an awful follow-up to a Super Bowl appearance, a playoff collapse unlike any other, an expectation-filled 2003 season that ended at 4-12. The fact is, the Giants franchise has basically always been a roller coaster, even Coughlin's era was that way. We're in one of the darker runs we've had, but it's not as far off from the established history of this franchise as we all think. The main difference is the rose-colored glasses, or this idea that Wellington Mara's tenure was just the part of the 80s with Bill Parcells and that just isn't true.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 18, 2024 9:54:35 GMT -5
Justin Fields is worse than Daniel Jones at seeing the field.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 18, 2024 11:12:22 GMT -5
Justin Fields is worse than Daniel Jones at seeing the field. He has even worse stats too. He is a poor man's Jones. Not sure why someone who wants to get rid of Jones would want to try out Fields. It's the same guy!
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 11:43:53 GMT -5
Justin Fields is worse than Daniel Jones at seeing the field. He has even worse stats too. He is a poor man's Jones. Not sure why someone who wants to get rid of Jones would want to try out Fields. It's the same guy! They are not the same player. Come on. Not sure why someone would rather have Lock for more money then Fields.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 11:47:03 GMT -5
Justin Fields is worse than Daniel Jones at seeing the field. You know this how? I've seen plenty of video from Dan Orlovsky that says differently. This also isn't about Fields over Jones it's all about Fields over Lock.
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Post by fredfreddy on Mar 18, 2024 11:52:40 GMT -5
I thought Fields would have been worth a shot. He would count a little over $3mm for 2024 BUT you probably have to make the decision now about the 5th year option so you keep him 2 years for about $15mm/year. That gives us 2 years plus the option to franchise in 26. If we are looking to move on from Jones then it would have been a good gamble. As QB's go, a 6th is a great deal for Pittsburgh. You never know how a QB plays on a different team. Geno Smith was garbage on the Jets, Garbage on the Giants, and now playing well for Seattle. I think Fields is a good player that was on a crap team. Don't know if Chicago broke him as bad as we broke Jones but I would have rolled the dice.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 18, 2024 11:53:50 GMT -5
He should have got a fair shot here if we didn’t draft a QB this year. Out of curiosity, and I’m not saying this to be argumentative because I have no idea how these QB’s will work out and apparently most GM’s don’t either hence the high bust rate, but what QB’s do you think we have a realistic shot at that will be better than Fields? I would rather take shots at McCarthy, Nix and Penix over Fields. We also can't rule out a move-up to the top 3. I've seen Fields, he's not impressive. I think the draft compensation the Bears received reflects that. If Fields was in some offensive no man’s land, I’d wonder more. But that o line of his was decent and he had some weapons. Having to make another call based on a 6 month try out (before you have to commit big or walk), no thanks. I’m with you. If we’re going to take the risk, the risk of the unknown is better in this situation.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 18, 2024 11:56:33 GMT -5
He has even worse stats too. He is a poor man's Jones. Not sure why someone who wants to get rid of Jones would want to try out Fields. It's the same guy! They are not the same player. Come on. Not sure why someone would rather have Lock for more money then Fields. They both average 1 passing TD per game, Fields has never been over 200 passing yds/game in his three years, he is a slightly better runner. They both rely on their legs too much (which we know is not sustainable) and have struggled to maintain a consistent passing game.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 18, 2024 12:23:49 GMT -5
They are not the same player. Come on. Not sure why someone would rather have Lock for more money then Fields. They both average 1 passing TD per game, Fields has never been over 200 passing yds/game in his three years, he is a slightly better runner. They both rely on their legs too much (which we know is not sustainable) and have struggled to maintain a consistent passing game. Still not the same player and using stats for discussion of football players should be outlawed! Fields will throw down field with anticipation and we've never seen Jones do that so there is one important difference.
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