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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 25, 2024 13:28:28 GMT -5
NO - how can you be a Giants fan and ask that?  Looks like a hip drop tackle to me.
Good to see the NFL's timely response to it.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 25, 2024 13:29:28 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. Now if we could just get the calls to be specific we'd all be happy. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2024 13:39:06 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. Yes, 100%.
They don't want your full body weight trapping the defenders legs in place and dragging them down backwards which leads to lots of injuries.
As for the people asking "well how can they tackle then". Simple, the same way they do for 98% of the other tackles made in the league. I heard a stat today that there were 100 of these tackles made last year (20 lead to injuries). In an NFL season there are about 32,000 tackles made.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 25, 2024 13:42:03 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. Now if we could just get the calls to be specific we'd all be happy. Sounds like that’s the intention. They have a list supposedly of every illegal hip drop out of 30,000 tackles, it represents 105. We all get frustrated by these rule changes but when you hear league officials talking about the future of the game, the NFL is the most popular professional team sport league in North America but is lagging behind basket ball and baseball in youth participation, and danger of injury in the sport is by far the #1 reason parents are diverting kids from the sport. So it’s easy for me to think they should just leave the rules alone because they’re watering down the game’s enjoyment from a fan perspective. But facts are facts. These rule changes aren’t reducing viewership. So why stop? |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 25, 2024 13:43:25 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. Yes, 100%.
They don't want your full body weight trapping the defenders legs in place and dragging them down backwards which leads to lots of injuries.
As for the people asking "well how can they tackle then". Simple, the same way they do for 98% of the other tackles made in the league. I heard a stat today that there were 100 of these tackles made last year (20 lead to injuries). In an NFL season there are about 32,000 tackles made.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 25, 2024 13:44:28 GMT -5
NO - how can you be a Giants fan and ask that? Looks like a hip drop tackle to me. you are special. Beyond Jones is like a blank 🕳️. He jumps at his shoulders, his left arm is at Theisman’s head. The rule is dragging down by the hips. |
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Post by sickntired on Mar 25, 2024 13:44:56 GMT -5
This is a terrible rule change, this essentially makes it so that the defender needs to be in front of the offensive player for them to initiate and try to make tackle. How would it be even possible for a defender who manages to chase down the ball carrier to tackle him from the back without them considering it “a hip drop tackle”? This is what they just banned:  This happens on every play. Maybe I should make this my last year watching this crap for sure. Been thinking about it for a while now. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 25, 2024 13:49:02 GMT -5
NO - how can you be a Giants fan and ask that? It’s literally exactly how he broke Theisman leg. taylor went for his shoulder and tackled him from high. His leg jackknifed which is different than grabbing the hip and spinning. Not literally exactly the same. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 13:51:47 GMT -5
No, just a lot of shots at the knees. Then they will change the rule again. Put handles on the uniforms and you can only tackle people by the handles. Then someone will injure themselves on the handle. So why do these handles need to be attached, they should just need to pull the handles off. Then they will find just running around, players can get torn ligaments and pulled muscles. So they will only be allowed to speed walk around the field. Then someone trips over another players foot and injures themselves. So why do we need players on the field, we can create a full simulation in VR. Before you know it your football stars will include people like Chuck a bald 400lb 65 year old who hasn't left his home in 20 years and is a star in the new virtual NFL. Whoo--hoo....but you can still gamble on it. The future of the NFL. Maybe they can incorporate water balloons into the tackle. Instead of putting your hands on the offensive player, throw a water balloon at him. If you hit him and the balloon bursts, he is down. Then we can all scrutinize the PFF scores of water ballooning. Won't work, some player will get water in their ear and it will cause an infection. Water balloons are WAY too dangerous for the NFL. Player safety doncha know. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 25, 2024 13:53:18 GMT -5
I like the rule…I think it’s a horrible way to tackle. Nobody tackled like that 20+ years ago. For whatever reason players started doing it more recently and it ruins guys.
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 13:53:56 GMT -5
How can you tackle a player and not use your weight to stop or tackle him? Thats the main force in getting the player to the ground. Using gravity. So they just have to hug them then and stand up? Now they need to go after the knees themselves which will most likely cause more ACL injuries that way. And then they make a rule you cant tackle at the knees either. I just dont know what they want anymore. Flags are coming. You just have to shove them out of bounds. Someone will stub their toe on the bench after a shove. Then we will have to have really thick padding walling in the field so nobody at the game can actually see anything and are just there watching the big TV at 18K per seat. But they can still place bets on the outcome. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 25, 2024 13:57:31 GMT -5
I like the rule…I think it’s a horrible way to tackle. Nobody tackled like that 20+ years ago. For whatever reason players started doing it more recently and it ruins guys. they’re trying to avoid the head hit so go lower. It has a lot to do with these rules. The defense has to play off and in space. They’re chasing and dragging players to the ground and hoping to bring the ball. It’s all b/c of the rules. You can’t hit them high, you can’t obstruct them in their patterns and you can’t clock the defenseless receiver. So they drag them down. The textbook ankle tackle has been gone forever. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 13:59:17 GMT -5
This is a terrible rule change, this essentially makes it so that the defender needs to be in front of the offensive player for them to initiate and try to make tackle. How would it be even possible for a defender who manages to chase down the ball carrier to tackle him from the back without them considering it “a hip drop tackle”? This is what they just banned: Isn't that how LT broke Thesimann's leg in half putting him in the hospital for 10+ days? Don't think it's good for the sport to have a lot of star players hurt by the end of the year due to a normally bad tackling technique. It's a collision sport. Everyone who plays it knows the risks of slamming you body into other bodies at high speed. It is like changing the rules of boxing so nobody can get hit. Replacing the baseball with a nerf or whiffle ball. Playing basketball on soft pads. Making contact illegal in hockey and melting the ice so it is softer. These rules are stupid and those who support them do not like football, go watch golf or something until someone twists and ankle and you can complain about player safety. What isn't good for the sport is destroying why it is so popular. Soon the only people who will care are those betting on the game. Nobody will actually care beyond their parlay. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 14:00:12 GMT -5
**** it, just make it flag football and get it over with. That'll be too rough for them. Those flags might get caught on an ass hair and cause pain. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 14:01:49 GMT -5
what happens if they are in the middle of the field? You have to shove them out of bounds. But only maintaining their forum momentum because if forward progress is stopped you’ll get flagged for a late hit. Shoving is violent. You have to walk up and politely ask the ball carrier to lay on the ground. Then ask permission to touch them to record the tackle. You need consent doncha know. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 14:06:44 GMT -5
I like the rule…I think it’s a horrible way to tackle. Nobody tackled like that 20+ years ago. For whatever reason players started doing it more recently and it ruins guys. they’re trying to avoid the head hit so go lower. It has a lot to do with these rules. The defense has to play off and in space. They’re chasing and dragging players to the ground and hoping to bring the ball. It’s all b/c of the rules. You can’t hit them high, you can’t obstruct them in their patterns and you can’t clock the defenseless receiver. So they drag them down. The textbook ankle tackle has been gone forever. Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 14:06:50 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. So, instead of grapping the waist, and using gravity to tackle the player from behind, they now have to go straight at the knees to wrap up? |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 14:08:22 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. So, instead of grapping the waist, and using gravity to tackle the player from behind, they now have to go straight at the knees to wrap up? Yup, this will just cause more problems, that may possibly be worse. |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 14:08:58 GMT -5
I like the rule…I think it’s a horrible way to tackle. Nobody tackled like that 20+ years ago. For whatever reason players started doing it more recently and it ruins guys. You know why it became more popular right? Because of the other tackling rules they created... lol |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
I like the rule…I think it’s a horrible way to tackle. Nobody tackled like that 20+ years ago. For whatever reason players started doing it more recently and it ruins guys. You know why it became more popular right? Because of the other tackling rules they created... lol bingo |
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Post by mendy on Mar 25, 2024 14:15:06 GMT -5
This new rule is a slap in the face to every Defensive player who ever played the game. There would be no Strahan, Carson or Taylor with this rule.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 25, 2024 14:26:23 GMT -5
Looks like a hip drop tackle to me. Good to see the NFL's timely response to it.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 25, 2024 14:26:44 GMT -5
Fans always cry about new rules...but the NFL has to protect it's best players from injury. Look at the rule about defenders landing with all their body weight, on the QB, during a sack. Defenders adjusted and now you see guys intentionally rotating to get on the side of the QB. Players don't like to get fined. They'll adjust.
I also heard an interesting point on new rules, like this. Scoring is down across the NFL...and they use new rules, like this, to also keep drives going in an effort to increase scoring. Kinda makes sense...two birds.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 25, 2024 14:28:49 GMT -5
they’re trying to avoid the head hit so go lower. It has a lot to do with these rules. The defense has to play off and in space. They’re chasing and dragging players to the ground and hoping to bring the ball. It’s all b/c of the rules. You can’t hit them high, you can’t obstruct them in their patterns and you can’t clock the defenseless receiver. So they drag them down. The textbook ankle tackle has been gone forever. Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. Soon you won’t be able to hit low like the defender did on Mark Andrews that blew his knee out. Eventually the window of contact will be the abdomen only. Until someone ruptures a spleen or lacerates their liver. |
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Post by mendy on Mar 25, 2024 14:32:41 GMT -5
Fans always cry about new rules...but the NFL has to protect it's best players from injury. Look at the rule about defenders landing with all their body weight, on the QB, during a sack. Defenders adjusted and now you see guys intentionally rotating to get on the side of the QB. Players don't like to get fined. They'll adjust. I also heard an interesting point on new rules, like this. Scoring is down across the NFL...and they use new rules, like this, to also keep drives going in an effort to increase scoring. Kinda makes sense...two birds. I would like to see number of injuries due to this type of tackling? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 25, 2024 14:35:31 GMT -5
Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. Soon you won’t be able to hit low like the defender did on Mark Andrews that blew his knee out. Eventually the window of contact will be the abdomen only. Until someone ruptures a spleen or lacerates their liver. Yoda tackles - concentrate and use the power of the forse... |
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Post by idkaname on Mar 25, 2024 14:36:52 GMT -5
While it may save on some injuries, its going to be just another rule the refs can use to screw up games and for fans to yell at their TV that the games are rigged. Wonder if it is challengeable. Another step closer to flag football. You're exactly the reason NFL CAN keep rigging calls. The more ambiguous the penalty/rule the more they can abuse it. Is this really about safety? This will lead to more spearing / dangerous tackles imo...defintely not for player safety...How is a 180 LB nickel CB going to tackle a 245LB TE? Concussion rates for defenders just went up immensely. it's another "judgement call" that will be used as fuel for the "the refs have to make quick decisions" crowd |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 14:51:13 GMT -5
Soon you won’t be able to hit low like the defender did on Mark Andrews that blew his knee out. Eventually the window of contact will be the abdomen only. Until someone ruptures a spleen or lacerates their liver. Yoda tackles - concentrate and use the power of the forse... In the future, this counts as a tackle and is blown dead. |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 25, 2024 15:25:43 GMT -5
So being a finance/legal geek, This seems to be designed to prevent all of the tacklers weight landing on knees ankles. The language is specific. Hip tackle, un weighing, so dragging down from behind, and weight landing on knees ankles. So, instead of grapping the waist, and using gravity to tackle the player from behind, they now have to go straight at the knees to wrap up? If you believe the NFL, you can use any of the techniques used in the other 29,895 tackles they reviewed when deciding that 105 tackles Olof the 30,000 sample size should be banned. We’ll see if this is a shit show or not, but they’re targeting a really small percentage of plays. |
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Post by te88 on Mar 25, 2024 15:39:43 GMT -5
While it may save on some injuries, its going to be just another rule the refs can use to screw up games and for fans to yell at their TV that the games are rigged. Wonder if it is challengeable. Another step closer to flag football. Can’t see myself still paying attention to the NFL in the next 5 years. Overly technical rules just leads to impossible and incorrect officiating. But they market officiating as much as any part of the sport nowadays so it’s not surprising. |
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