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Post by te88 on Mar 25, 2024 15:47:47 GMT -5
So, instead of grapping the waist, and using gravity to tackle the player from behind, they now have to go straight at the knees to wrap up? If you believe the NFL, you can use any of the techniques used in the other 29,895 tackles they reviewed when deciding that 105 tackles Olof the 30,000 sample size should be banned. We’ll see if this is a shit show or not, but they’re targeting a really small percentage of plays. There is only one way to make the game as safe as it can be and still be a contact “tackle” sport. And the NFL will never do it. Remove all protective equipment. This causes players so self-eliminate all unsafe tackling styles and methods. Otherwise it’s just overly technical rules that “solve” one problem and create two new ones. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 15:48:36 GMT -5
While it may save on some injuries, its going to be just another rule the refs can use to screw up games and for fans to yell at their TV that the games are rigged. Wonder if it is challengeable. Another step closer to flag football. Can’t see myself still paying attention to the NFL in the next 5 years. Overly technical rules just leads to impossible and incorrect officiating. But they market officiating as much as any part of the sport nowadays so it’s not surprising. Yup |
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 25, 2024 16:03:53 GMT -5
Now if we could just get the calls to be specific we'd all be happy. Sounds like that’s the intention. They have a list supposedly of every illegal hip drop out of 30,000 tackles, it represents 105. We all get frustrated by these rule changes but when you hear league officials talking about the future of the game, the NFL is the most popular professional team sport league in North America but is lagging behind basket ball and baseball in youth participation, and danger of injury in the sport is by far the #1 reason parents are diverting kids from the sport. So it’s easy for me to think they should just leave the rules alone because they’re watering down the game’s enjoyment from a fan perspective. But facts are facts. These rule changes aren’t reducing viewership. So why stop?
I think it only makes sense that with a full contact sport the inherent risk of injury increases. It's really not a sport for everyone.
And based on some of the posts you see on social media, there are truly a lot of people who should not even be watching it, let alone playing it.  |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 25, 2024 16:05:20 GMT -5
they’re trying to avoid the head hit so go lower. It has a lot to do with these rules. The defense has to play off and in space. They’re chasing and dragging players to the ground and hoping to bring the ball. It’s all b/c of the rules. You can’t hit them high, you can’t obstruct them in their patterns and you can’t clock the defenseless receiver. So they drag them down. The textbook ankle tackle has been gone forever. Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. I don’t think so. There have never been any tackling rules when chasing from behind. Every rule is defenseless or from front/side/head. Typically, if you’re chasing someone with the ball from behind, those rules don’t apply. You can hit a ball carrier any which way from behind. And if you’re chasing them, you aren’t hitting them in the head. This tackle was brought about to try to stop the ball carrier from gaining anymore yards. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 25, 2024 16:34:41 GMT -5
Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. I don’t think so. There have never been any tackling rules when chasing from behind. The horse collar tackle rule. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2024 16:50:09 GMT -5
Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. I don’t think clearly  |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 25, 2024 16:55:50 GMT -5
The Giants don’t tackle in September so we shouldn’t be flagged until October.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 25, 2024 17:01:37 GMT -5
So, instead of grapping the waist, and using gravity to tackle the player from behind, they now have to go straight at the knees to wrap up? If you believe the NFL, you can use any of the techniques used in the other 29,895 tackles they reviewed when deciding that 105 tackles Olof the 30,000 sample size should be banned. We’ll see if this is a shit show or not, but they’re targeting a really small percentage of plays. It's still approximately 6 times a week it will happen. If that's in six different games it could potentially effect 12 team's outcome. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2024 17:07:34 GMT -5
This is where stupid comes in. The causality of not taking into account . What will happen if we do this?
That "if" is the correlating action of " the hip drop tackle" It is caused in direct response to can't lead with you head to tackle rule. Instead of the defender leading with his head and driving through the ball carrier. They are now charging to the side of the ball carrier. grabbing the player around the waistline pivoting their head out of the way . The effectively drops the defender's weight in rotative motion causing the ball carriers hip to take the brunt of the force.
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Post by mendy on Mar 25, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
Yup, create the problem then complain about the problem. I don’t think so. There have never been any tackling rules when chasing from behind. Every rule is defenseless or from front/side/head. Typically, if you’re chasing someone with the ball from behind, those rules don’t apply. You can hit a ball carrier any which way from behind. And if you’re chasing them, you aren’t hitting them in the head. This tackle was brought about to try to stop the ball carrier from gaining anymore yards. Horse Collar rule |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 25, 2024 18:48:00 GMT -5
the NFL will never be flag football that some here are eluding to. Its a violent game. Even with all the safety rules players get hurt every week from huge or awkward hits. every year the players get stronger and faster. The human body cannot repetitively take what these guys dish out game in and game out.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 25, 2024 19:13:46 GMT -5
the NFL will never be flag football that some here are eluding to. Its a violent game. Even with all the safety rules players get hurt every week from huge or awkward hits. every year the players get stronger and faster. The human body cannot repetitively take what these guys dish out game in and game out. I think we were being quasi sarcastic...  |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 19:27:33 GMT -5
the NFL will never be flag football that some here are eluding to. Its a violent game. Even with all the safety rules players get hurt every week from huge or awkward hits. every year the players get stronger and faster. The human body cannot repetitively take what these guys dish out game in and game out. Of course they wont strap on flags in the NFL. Its all being sarcastically but to a point, they are watering down the game. Making it softer if you will. And of course, it will not be as tough as this league anymore:  |
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Post by sickntired on Mar 25, 2024 20:31:59 GMT -5
Isn't that how LT broke Thesimann's leg in half putting him in the hospital for 10+ days? Don't think it's good for the sport to have a lot of star players hurt by the end of the year due to a normally bad tackling technique. It's a collision sport. Everyone who plays it knows the risks of slamming you body into other bodies at high speed. It is like changing the rules of boxing so nobody can get hit. Replacing the baseball with a nerf or whiffle ball. Playing basketball on soft pads. Making contact illegal in hockey and melting the ice so it is softer. These rules are stupid and those who support them do not like football, go watch golf or something until someone twists and ankle and you can complain about player safety. What isn't good for the sport is destroying why it is so popular. Soon the only people who will care are those betting on the game. Nobody will actually care beyond their parlay. I liked seeing Alzado, Jones, Lott, Atwater beating on someone’s ass! This football is trash and I’ve been looking for an excuse to just say screw it. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 25, 2024 20:54:26 GMT -5
If you believe the NFL, you can use any of the techniques used in the other 29,895 tackles they reviewed when deciding that 105 tackles Olof the 30,000 sample size should be banned. We’ll see if this is a shit show or not, but they’re targeting a really small percentage of plays. There is only one way to make the game as safe as it can be and still be a contact “tackle” sport. And the NFL will never do it. Remove all protective equipment. This causes players so self-eliminate all unsafe tackling styles and methods. Otherwise it’s just overly technical rules that “solve” one problem and create two new ones. Makes sense until you watch rugby...those dude are insane. No pads, still killing each other, and guys getting carried off the field. |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 21:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by moecoastie on Mar 25, 2024 22:03:53 GMT -5
I may be the minority but I like the rule change. This type of tackle is just the modern version of the horse collar.
The question is, will the new rule be applied effectively? That remains to be seen
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Post by te88 on Mar 26, 2024 4:08:49 GMT -5
There is only one way to make the game as safe as it can be and still be a contact “tackle” sport. And the NFL will never do it. Remove all protective equipment. This causes players so self-eliminate all unsafe tackling styles and methods. Otherwise it’s just overly technical rules that “solve” one problem and create two new ones. Makes sense until you watch rugby...those dude are insane. No pads, still killing each other, and guys getting carried off the field. Rugby is infinitely safer than football with far less career ending / life changing injuries. |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 26, 2024 6:02:06 GMT -5
I may be the minority but I like the rule change. This type of tackle is just the modern version of the horse collar. The question is, will the new rule be applied effectively? That remains to be seen I feel like the horse collar is a much easier call for the refs, and a much easier tackle to avoid as a defender. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 26, 2024 6:30:51 GMT -5
I don’t think so. There have never been any tackling rules when chasing from behind. Every rule is defenseless or from front/side/head. Typically, if you’re chasing someone with the ball from behind, those rules don’t apply. You can hit a ball carrier any which way from behind. And if you’re chasing them, you aren’t hitting them in the head. This tackle was brought about to try to stop the ball carrier from gaining anymore yards. Horse Collar rule Right, which is essentially this same rule. The players started using the horse collar, but it was injuring people and outlawed. So, they started grabbing by the shoulders and doing a similar take down. Grabbing a player and putting all your weight on the back of their leg has never been a taught tackling technique. |
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Post by moecoastie on Mar 26, 2024 21:04:58 GMT -5
I may be the minority but I like the rule change. This type of tackle is just the modern version of the horse collar. The question is, will the new rule be applied effectively? That remains to be seen I feel like the horse collar is a much easier call for the refs, and a much easier tackle to avoid as a defender. you are probably right. IMO, both are equally dangerous. I feel something needed to be done. This may just be the first iteration of the rule to try to eliminate that type of tackle. Coaches will have their hands full re-training and re-conditioning their defensive players...that's for sure. Silver lining, there is already a rule that prevents offensive players from lowering their head and trucking defensive players. Its up to the defensive players to capitalize on that in light of this new rule. GMs will no doubt search for larger defensive players who possess speed (yes, harder to find). Offenses will counter by searching for larger offensive players instead of 5'6" WRs who will no doubt be taking full body hits that will wear on their body more. Rock-Paper-Scissor, round and round it goes. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 27, 2024 7:51:54 GMT -5
Right, which is essentially this same rule. The players started using the horse collar, but it was injuring people and outlawed. So, they started grabbing by the shoulders and doing a similar take down. Grabbing a player and putting all your weight on the back of their leg has never been a taught tackling technique. Right, because it is the unintended consequences of other rules. This is why you don't address problems in the way the NFL, like many bureaucratic systems, address problems. This new rule will create all new problems that they will need to fix, that will then cause other problems that they will need to fix. All the while wondering why they can't make this collision sport safe. Forgetting that the only way to do that is to remove the collisions. Which they won't do because it would be a different sport altogether. The only way to fix safety in football is to make it not football anymore. Ever go on a long hike in unfamiliar woods without a map and compass? Really stupid thing to do. This is how the NFL is addressing the "player safety" issue. Best way to keep football still football and to make it safer is to slow it down. Allow more close quarters contact. Don't let players get to the high speeds that they can get to, which was caused by the drive to opening the game and increase scoring. Unintended consequences, they are a bitch and you can't avoid them if you keep addressing problems in the piecemeal nature that the NFL addresses them. The new kick-off rule is a good change in this regard. It will increase the number of returns, so more football to watch. It will also slow down players as it brings them closer together and allows for close quarters contact without the high speed collisions that are part of a traditional kick-off. We won't be watching touchbacks all day and the players are safer. Smart. The hip drop tackle is breaking your toe so your hemorrhoids bother you less. Stupid. |
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Post by Analyst on Mar 29, 2024 12:32:15 GMT -5
I actually like this one, but it still will be up to the referees interpretation... NFL Rule Change Allows Replay to Correct Roughing the Passer, Grounding Penalties"The competition committee has long opposed challenges to penalty calls because it essentially substitutes one person's judgment for another's," Pelissero wrote on X. "This is much more narrow, but another step toward empowering the replay assistant to fix clear and obvious mistakes." |
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Post by mendy on Mar 30, 2024 19:35:13 GMT -5
Right, which is essentially this same rule. The players started using the horse collar, but it was injuring people and outlawed. So, they started grabbing by the shoulders and doing a similar take down. Grabbing a player and putting all your weight on the back of their leg has never been a taught tackling technique. Players didn't start using it, it was always legal to tackle a player by the shoulder pads until A Dallas Cowboy got hurt, then is became dangerous. As for tackling from behind , yes it was taught , and it 's safe. You wrap from behind and you fall with the player, Still have not seen #'s on injuries from this . Just another way for Owners to increase scoring. You want safety ,..all NFL Fields should be grass, you want safety all players must wear full padding , WR's, Kickers and QB's included. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 30, 2024 19:41:11 GMT -5
Right, which is essentially this same rule. The players started using the horse collar, but it was injuring people and outlawed. So, they started grabbing by the shoulders and doing a similar take down. Grabbing a player and putting all your weight on the back of their leg has never been a taught tackling technique. Players didn't start using it, it was always legal to tackle a player by the shoulder pads until A Dallas Cowboy got hurt, then is became dangerous. Wrong again. It was Roy Williams, Dallas safety, who kept tackling like this and tearing up players' ACLs. It's call the "Roy Williams" rule for a reason. And just because it always used to be legal doesn't mean it was sound or right. You used to be able to clothesline people across their necks, throw forearm shivers, etc.... but it's good that those are out of the game. |
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