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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 28, 2024 11:00:01 GMT -5
New York Giants officials will travel to Ann Arbor, Michigan, on Sunday for a private workout with Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy, according to Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News. While team reps were on hand for Michigan's pro day, neither general manager Joe Schoen nor head coach Brian Daboll attended the event. The private throwing session will allow them to take a closer look at McCarthy before the 2024 NFL draft. The Giants could plausibly take a quarterback with the No. 6 overall pick despite being only one year removed from handing Daniel Jones a massive extension. Jones is recovering from a torn ACL, and his regression on the field last season raised questions about whether he's the Giants' long-term solution at quarterback after all. bleacherreport.com/articles/10114691-nfl-draft-2024-rumors-jj-mccarthys-private-giants-workout-scheduled-for-easter
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 28, 2024 14:53:22 GMT -5
Hmmmm
That can’t be, all he can do is hand the ball off. He only has backup potential right?
JJ haters are quiet aren’t they. 😊
Read what Daniel Jeremiah wrote yesterday. This ain’t no smoke screen. GM’s around the league are very interested in JJ’s services and the Giants interest is considered to be genuine.
We probably won’t land him but I LOVE how this is playing out.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 28, 2024 15:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by vinnie on Mar 28, 2024 15:49:37 GMT -5
Hmmmm That can’t be, all he can do is hand the ball off. He only has backup potential right? JJ haters are quiet aren’t they. 😊 Read what Daniel Jeremiah wrote yesterday. This ain’t no smoke screen. GM’s around the league are very interested in JJ’s services and the Giants interest is considered to be genuine. We probably won’t land him but I LOVE how this is playing out. No offense Beast but after reading how much you praised and pounded your fist on the table for Haskins this is looking awfully similar which gives me a little more cause for concern for JJ on top of the other concerns I already had. If we land him, I hope you’re right this time.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 28, 2024 16:11:34 GMT -5
If our front office isn't impressed with the 2025 QB class, I'm fine with them taking JJ, and grabbing a WR in the 2nd or 3rd... Malachi Corley is my underdog
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 30, 2024 10:30:16 GMT -5
Hmmmm That can’t be, all he can do is hand the ball off. He only has backup potential right? JJ haters are quiet aren’t they. 😊 Read what Daniel Jeremiah wrote yesterday. This ain’t no smoke screen. GM’s around the league are very interested in JJ’s services and the Giants interest is considered to be genuine. We probably won’t land him but I LOVE how this is playing out. I was one of those guys that said all I've seen him do is hand the ball off. But I wasn't a hater. I've changed my mind on him I think he can adjust to just about any offense. I have not heard one thing negative on JJ. And he can air it out. I don't know if were going to get him but I think were going to make an offer. I feel those first 3 picks are going to have teams scrambling. Were probably making a trade proposal no matter who the 4th QB is left out of the top 3. The Cards at #4 look like the team to target to me.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 30, 2024 12:40:13 GMT -5
Hmmmm That can’t be, all he can do is hand the ball off. He only has backup potential right? JJ haters are quiet aren’t they. 😊 Read what Daniel Jeremiah wrote yesterday. This ain’t no smoke screen. GM’s around the league are very interested in JJ’s services and the Giants interest is considered to be genuine. We probably won’t land him but I LOVE how this is playing out. I was one of those guys that said all I've seen him do is hand the ball off. But I wasn't a hater. I've changed my mind on him I think he can adjust to just about any offense. I have not heard one thing negative on JJ. And he can air it out. I don't know if were going to get him but I think were going to make an offer. I feel those first 3 picks are going to have teams scrambling. Were probably making a trade proposal no matter who the 4th QB is left out of the top 3. The Cards at #4 look like the team to target to me. “Hater” is another made up term for anyone that isn’t infatuated with JJ as much as he is, just like everyone who doesn’t think Jones is a franchise QB is labeled a “hater” by his fan bois.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2024 13:30:38 GMT -5
“Hater” is another made up term for anyone that isn’t infatuated with JJ as much as he is, just like everyone who doesn’t think Jones is a franchise QB is labeled a “hater” by his fan bois. It's the double edged coin of the internet age. The "ayes" are fan bois and the "nays" are haters. More often than not it's simply a differing view point and people can't seem to handle those.
I'm not sold on JJ McCarthy, I'll cheer my ass off for him if he's wearing a Giants uniform though.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 30, 2024 13:50:14 GMT -5
If our front office isn't impressed with the 2025 QB class, I'm fine with them taking JJ, and grabbing a WR in the 2nd or 3rd... Malachi Corley is my underdog I'm good with it. But I don't think I'm good with giving up 2 or 3 1 st round picks for any of these guys except maybe Caleb his arm talent in this draft is unmatched and he has as good or better Athleticism than anyone in the class, lot of Caleb haters but the talent is real and the NFL isn't worried about the petty stuff the fans are worried about. I would take JJ at 6 or Maye or Daniels but to me none of them are worth our future as far as the draft goes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 30, 2024 14:07:10 GMT -5
I was one of those guys that said all I've seen him do is hand the ball off. But I wasn't a hater. I've changed my mind on him I think he can adjust to just about any offense. I have not heard one thing negative on JJ. And he can air it out. I don't know if were going to get him but I think were going to make an offer. I feel those first 3 picks are going to have teams scrambling. Were probably making a trade proposal no matter who the 4th QB is left out of the top 3. The Cards at #4 look like the team to target to me. “Hater” is another made up term for anyone that isn’t infatuated with JJ as much as he is, just like everyone who doesn’t think Jones is a franchise QB is labeled a “hater” by his fan bois. Agree but there are haters with all these Guys look at the hate for Williams the talent NFL traits he possesses makes it him and every one else. When people get personal about it throwing nasty comments about these kids they are haters there is plenty of that for all of these prospects and Jones has endured plenty himself people talking all the shit don't know these kids. If you like your guy more thats fine, but throwing personal insults out because others think another prospect is better is not cool. Chances are between 1-3 I'm thinking 2 of these kids will make it as franchise QBs the ones that fail will fail for many different reason. Remember the Vaunted 2018 class the 2 most unlikely to succeed most raw prospects have become 2 franchise guys that can win a NFL championship possibly Allen and Jackson the rest are out of here or have made the NFL rounds.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 30, 2024 15:14:17 GMT -5
“Hater” is another made up term for anyone that isn’t infatuated with JJ as much as he is, just like everyone who doesn’t think Jones is a franchise QB is labeled a “hater” by his fan bois. Agree but there are haters with all these Guys look at the hate for Williams the talent NFL traits he possesses makes it him and every one else. When people get personal about it throwing nasty comments about these kids they are haters there is plenty of that for all of these prospects and Jones has endured plenty himself people talking all the shit don't know these kids. If you like your guy more thats fine, but throwing personal insults out because others think another prospect is better is not cool. Chances are between 1-3 I'm thinking 2 of these kids will make it as franchise QBs the ones that fail will fail for many different reason. Remember the Vaunted 2018 class the 2 most unlikely to succeed most raw prospects have become 2 franchise guys that can win a NFL championship possibly Allen and Jackson the rest are out of here or have made the NFL rounds. Well hate is a strong word to me. I’ve seen people say they don’t like Williams for painting his nails, crying to his mommy, etc but I’ve never seen anyone say they “hate” him and I certainly haven’t seen anyone even implicate “hate” towards JJ. I thin the people who claim some fans “hate DJ” or “hate JJ” should provide direct quotes of who said it and call them out but that won’t happen because it’s never happened that I’ve seen on this site at least. Perhaps I’m being to literal with this word but to me when someone accuses someone of “hating” someone else I think of “hate” groups, not a fan of football who doesn’t like a certain player because they don’t think they’re as good as some others. Anyways, didn’t mean to derail the thread and get into a whole semantics thing here so I’ll shut my yapper. P.S I HATE commercials and I HATE the Cowboys, literally and there are tons of quotes from me to back that up *Notice how I reserve my hate for things that deserve it. I definitely don’t hate DJ, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and hard worker, he’s just a shitty QB.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 30, 2024 15:55:45 GMT -5
Agree but there are haters with all these Guys look at the hate for Williams the talent NFL traits he possesses makes it him and every one else. When people get personal about it throwing nasty comments about these kids they are haters there is plenty of that for all of these prospects and Jones has endured plenty himself people talking all the shit don't know these kids. If you like your guy more thats fine, but throwing personal insults out because others think another prospect is better is not cool. Chances are between 1-3 I'm thinking 2 of these kids will make it as franchise QBs the ones that fail will fail for many different reason. Remember the Vaunted 2018 class the 2 most unlikely to succeed most raw prospects have become 2 franchise guys that can win a NFL championship possibly Allen and Jackson the rest are out of here or have made the NFL rounds. Well hate is a strong word to me. I’ve seen people say they don’t like Williams for painting his nails, crying to his mommy, etc but I’ve never seen anyone say they “hate” him and I certainly haven’t seen anyone even implicate “hate” towards JJ. I thin the people who claim some fans “hate DJ” or “hate JJ” should provide direct quotes of who said it and call them out but that won’t happen because it’s never happened that I’ve seen on this site at least. Perhaps I’m being to literal with this word but to me when someone accuses someone of “hating” someone else I think of “hate” groups, not a fan of football who doesn’t like a certain player because they don’t think they’re as good as some others. Anyways, didn’t mean to derail the thread and get into a whole semantics thing here so I’ll shut my yapper. P.S I HATE commercials and I HATE the Cowboys, literally and there are tons of quotes from me to back that up *Notice how I reserve my hate for things that deserve it. I definitely don’t hate DJ, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and hard worker, he’s just a shitty QB. Hate is a strong word and a serious emotion I will say this there are fans maybe not here that really hate some athletes.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 30, 2024 19:39:35 GMT -5
“Hater” is another made up term for anyone that isn’t infatuated with JJ as much as he is, just like everyone who doesn’t think Jones is a franchise QB is labeled a “hater” by his fan bois. It's the double edged coin of the internet age. The "ayes" are fan bois and the "nays" are haters. More often than not it's simply a differing view point and people can't seem to handle those. I'm not sold on JJ McCarthy, I'll cheer my ass off for him if he's wearing a Giants uniform though.
Agreed. I hated drafting Jones at 6 but once he was our starter I wanted nothing more than him to succeed and hoped he would. By year four of seeing the same lackluster and mediocre shit from him I didn't want him as our starter. And as soon as he's not on the Giants he can go **** himself for all I care. This is who I am as a fan for every Giants, and former Giants (on another team) player.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2024 19:43:58 GMT -5
I'm good with it. But I don't think I'm good with giving up 2 or 3 1 st round picks for any of these guys except maybe Caleb his arm talent in this draft is unmatched and he has as good or better Athleticism than anyone in the class, lot of Caleb haters but the talent is real and the NFL isn't worried about the petty stuff the fans are worried about. I would take JJ at 6 or Maye or Daniels but to me none of them are worth our future as far as the draft goes. I don't think it's petty stuff. You say in another post that maybe 2 of these guys make it and the rest will fail for all sorts of reasons. In the draft sometimes you just need to take a chance, but when you're picking at the top of the draft and looking for your franchise QB I think you need to check out all those petty things. With Josh Rosen it didn't seem like he was all that interested in playing in the NFL long term, didn't have that desire. Williams seems to have a bunch of things that make you at least hesitate and that's never good when picking in the top 5 (or 6 in our case).
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 30, 2024 20:28:55 GMT -5
I'm good with it. But I don't think I'm good with giving up 2 or 3 1 st round picks for any of these guys except maybe Caleb his arm talent in this draft is unmatched and he has as good or better Athleticism than anyone in the class, lot of Caleb haters but the talent is real and the NFL isn't worried about the petty stuff the fans are worried about. I would take JJ at 6 or Maye or Daniels but to me none of them are worth our future as far as the draft goes. I don't think it's petty stuff. You say in another post that maybe 2 of these guys make it and the rest will fail for all sorts of reasons. In the draft sometimes you just need to take a chance, but when you're picking at the top of the draft and looking for your franchise QB I think you need to check out all those petty things. With Josh Rosen it didn't seem like he was all that interested in playing in the NFL long term, didn't have that desire. Williams seems to have a bunch of things that make you at least hesitate and that's never good when picking in the top 5 (or 6 in our case). We won't have to worry he's going #1 to the Bears only when we play them from what I have heard on pod casts is his team mates love him his coaches love him I mean because he cried after a loss at least he cares. I don't have anything against the other prospects just don't think they are worth 2 first round picks and a 2nd Williams has every physical trait in spades needed to be a great NFL QB
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 30, 2024 20:44:21 GMT -5
On Easter?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 31, 2024 9:21:30 GMT -5
It's JJs day to shine Easter Sunday is here happy Easter and hopefully this turns out to be a good thing for the Giants and JJ in the future first he has to get to us tho which is seeming unlikely.
There is always 1 or 2 that slip a little or a lot.
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2024 9:39:00 GMT -5
I predict he will throw more passes today than he did in the championship game.
Let that sink in.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 31, 2024 9:58:24 GMT -5
I predict he will throw more passes today than he did in the championship game. Let that sink in. Rushed for over 300 yards at 8 yards a clip.. Nothing more demeaning towards a defense when you know the play call and you can’t do a damn thing about it. Washington still has the cleat marks on their back from being ran out of the building.
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2024 10:13:45 GMT -5
I predict he will throw more passes today than he did in the championship game. Let that sink in. Rushed for over 300 yards at 8 yards a clip.. Nothing more demeaning towards a defense when you know the play call and you can’t do a damn thing about it. Washington still has the cleat marks on their back from being ran out of the building. We do not need a running back. We a QB. One that can keep those Safeties out of the box. That is done with a prolific passing attack.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2024 10:43:44 GMT -5
We won't have to worry he's going #1 to the Bears only when we play them from what I have heard on pod casts is his team mates love him his coaches love him I mean because he cried after a loss at least he cares. I don't have anything against the other prospects just don't think they are worth 2 first round picks and a 2nd Williams has every physical trait in spades needed to be a great NFL QB I wouldn't trade up for any of these QBs.
As for his physical traits, he's in the Drew Brees size category. He better play like Drew if he wants to be successful.
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Post by dream8 on Mar 31, 2024 10:55:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's petty stuff. You say in another post that maybe 2 of these guys make it and the rest will fail for all sorts of reasons. In the draft sometimes you just need to take a chance, but when you're picking at the top of the draft and looking for your franchise QB I think you need to check out all those petty things. With Josh Rosen it didn't seem like he was all that interested in playing in the NFL long term, didn't have that desire. Williams seems to have a bunch of things that make you at least hesitate and that's never good when picking in the top 5 (or 6 in our case). We won't have to worry he's going #1 to the Bears only when we play them from what I have heard on pod casts is his team mates love him his coaches love him I mean because he cried after a loss at least he cares. I don't have anything against the other prospects just don't think they are worth 2 first round picks and a 2nd Williams has every physical trait in spades needed to be a great NFL QB Yeah, I can't believe there are some that wouldn't want Williams if we actually had the chance to get him. The arm talent and physical traits are amazing. Very Mahomes like. All the gripes seem to be about intangible things. Are intangibles important, absolutely, however if they were the most important factor then Daniel Jones would be a great QB. Physical traits and talent win out in the NFL
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 31, 2024 11:08:21 GMT -5
Rushed for over 300 yards at 8 yards a clip.. Nothing more demeaning towards a defense when you know the play call and you can’t do a damn thing about it. Washington still has the cleat marks on their back from being ran out of the building. We do not need a running back. We a QB. One that can keep those Safeties out of the box. That is done with a prolific passing attack. No shit.. Bringing up a game where Michigan had their way with Washington on the ground is a morons chore. McCarthy who had the best seat in the house, watched his club dismantle and humiliate the best the Country had to offer. If you’re looking for an aerial attack you took a wrong turn way back. This is ground and pound territory where the quarterback benefited from the road graders. If he was just a bystander along for the ride teams would not be jumping through hoops and having him in for private workouts. The hype is real.. And we do need a running back. Singletary, Gray and Brightwell couldn’t scare a bunch of kids.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 31, 2024 11:24:34 GMT -5
Agree but there are haters with all these Guys look at the hate for Williams the talent NFL traits he possesses makes it him and every one else. When people get personal about it throwing nasty comments about these kids they are haters there is plenty of that for all of these prospects and Jones has endured plenty himself people talking all the shit don't know these kids. If you like your guy more thats fine, but throwing personal insults out because others think another prospect is better is not cool. Chances are between 1-3 I'm thinking 2 of these kids will make it as franchise QBs the ones that fail will fail for many different reason. Remember the Vaunted 2018 class the 2 most unlikely to succeed most raw prospects have become 2 franchise guys that can win a NFL championship possibly Allen and Jackson the rest are out of here or have made the NFL rounds. Well hate is a strong word to me. I’ve seen people say they don’t like Williams for painting his nails, crying to his mommy, etc but I’ve never seen anyone say they “hate” him and I certainly haven’t seen anyone even implicate “hate” towards JJ. I thin the people who claim some fans “hate DJ” or “hate JJ” should provide direct quotes of who said it and call them out but that won’t happen because it’s never happened that I’ve seen on this site at least. Perhaps I’m being to literal with this word but to me when someone accuses someone of “hating” someone else I think of “hate” groups, not a fan of football who doesn’t like a certain player because they don’t think they’re as good as some others. Anyways, didn’t mean to derail the thread and get into a whole semantics thing here so I’ll shut my yapper. P.S I HATE commercials and I HATE the Cowboys, literally and there are tons of quotes from me to back that up *Notice how I reserve my hate for things that deserve it. I definitely don’t hate DJ, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and hard worker, he’s just a shitty QB. That term began with Eli and it’s been all downhill from there.
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 31, 2024 11:26:07 GMT -5
We do not need a running back. We a QB. One that can keep those Safeties out of the box. That is done with a prolific passing attack. No shit.. Bringing up a game where Michigan had their way with Washington on the ground is a morons chore. McCarthy who had the best seat in the house, watched his club dismantle and humiliate the best the Country had to offer. If you’re looking for an aerial attack you took a wrong turn way back. This is ground and pound territory where the quarterback benefited from the road graders. If he was just a bystander along for the ride teams would not be jumping through hoops and having him in for private workouts. The hype is real.. And we do need a running back. Singletary, Gray and Brightwell couldn’t scare a bunch of kids. Boom! Some remain so out of touch. “ He’ll throw more passes than he did in the championship game “ That statement all on it’s own speaks volumes for the cluelessness people have and has absolutely nothing to do with the talent JJ has. Some people just don’t want JJ a Giant so they come up with all sorts of garbage to support their mindset. It’s a swing and a miss every time regardless of who the batter ( hater ) is.
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2024 11:41:43 GMT -5
We do not need a running back. We a QB. One that can keep those Safeties out of the box. That is done with a prolific passing attack. No shit.. Bringing up a game where Michigan had their way with Washington on the ground is a morons chore. McCarthy who had the best seat in the house, watched his club dismantle and humiliate the best the Country had to offer. If you’re looking for an aerial attack you took a wrong turn way back. This is ground and pound territory where the quarterback benefited from the road graders. If he was just a bystander along for the ride teams would not be jumping through hoops and having him in for private workouts. The hype is real.. And we do need a running back. Singletary, Gray and Brightwell couldn’t scare a bunch of kids. I apologize for not making my point clearer. Penn State game 8 passing attempts. Nebraska 16 passing attempts. Rutgers 21 passing attempts. Indiana 17 passing attempts. He averaged in 2023 9 yards per attempt, and he does not throw the ball that much. That screams dink dunker. Michigan ran 910 plays on Offense in 2023. 360 passing plays and 550 running plays . JJ accounted for 332 of those passing plays. an average of 22 attempts per game that is a 36% pass to 64% running . That screams Game manager not QB. PS: the average NFL team threw 34 passes a game in 2023. The Giants even with Devito (who did not throw a single pass in one game.) averaged 31 pass attempts per game. That won't cut it in the NFL. The average NFL team 60% to 40%. Pass to run ratio. Complete opposite to the Offense he can run. And it has yet to be established if he has the aptitude to run that type of offense. That screams do not draft me at the top of the draft.
You guys want that guy?????
If I am the GM before thinking about drafting JJ. I am on the phone with Harbaugh and Hortiz and asking what the price would be if we drafted JJ. What would they need in addition to move him for Justin Herbert. That will tell Schoen exactly what Jim thinks of McCarthy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 31, 2024 11:46:47 GMT -5
We won't have to worry he's going #1 to the Bears only when we play them from what I have heard on pod casts is his team mates love him his coaches love him I mean because he cried after a loss at least he cares. I don't have anything against the other prospects just don't think they are worth 2 first round picks and a 2nd Williams has every physical trait in spades needed to be a great NFL QB Yeah, I can't believe there are some that wouldn't want Williams if we actually had the chance to get him. The arm talent and physical traits are amazing. Very Mahomes like. All the gripes seem to be about intangible things. Are intangibles important, absolutely, however if they were the most important factor then Daniel Jones would be a great QB. Physical traits and talent win out in the NFL I think Williams understands the new land scape of college sports. Look at Harrison he will do nothing for teams but he is not being torched like Williams. Think Williams is aware he is gonna be the #1 pick and will do his medicals with the Bears why do it for everyone he will be playing against the other 31 teams. Think it's over blown we will see in a few years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 31, 2024 12:00:59 GMT -5
We won't have to worry he's going #1 to the Bears only when we play them from what I have heard on pod casts is his team mates love him his coaches love him I mean because he cried after a loss at least he cares. I don't have anything against the other prospects just don't think they are worth 2 first round picks and a 2nd Williams has every physical trait in spades needed to be a great NFL QB I wouldn't trade up for any of these QBs.
As for his physical traits, he's in the Drew Brees size category. He better play like Drew if he wants to be successful.
Not to take anything from Breese coming out Williams is thicker more strudy has bigger arm with the same accuracy and can evade the rush and make throws from different platforms on the run or gain yards on the run. If there's a gamble to be made as far as QBs go he seems to be the one to take that shot on Giants roster is in no shape to trade away several top end draft assets at this time probably for anyone. They can wait if they have to or trade down and take Penix or Nix or Rattler pretty much be as good or maybe with Penix or Rattler if they stay healthy be better at the QB spot as they are now. The Bears went from a worse roster than the the Giants to better in a couple years by trading out of number 1 in the draft getting a bevy of picks and landing at 1 again and have there own 1 so they will get the best QB on paper and get him help at #9.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 31, 2024 12:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 31, 2024 12:27:16 GMT -5
I predict he will throw more passes today than he did in the championship game. Let that sink in. I predict that you are right lol. It is a concern he played in a offense that as more like the 86 and 90 Giants offenses that won 2 super bowls doesn't mean he can't adapt and have his arm be the focal point. What it does mean is who ever drafts him has to have seen on tape he can do all the things a franchise QB does in an NFL game their will be very few 3 or 4 second pockets unless he creates the space which means he will have use different platforms and be accurate from them. this goes fro all these highly touted QBs in this draft .
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