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Post by cdngfan on Mar 28, 2024 22:55:53 GMT -5
I don't know why Giants fans act like he is the only NFL owner who talks about his team. The majority of his statement was about how he didn't have a problem with it, and voiced support of Daboll and the way he conducts himself. I know one owner that no one ever hears from. The one in Kansas City. I may be in the minority here, but I don't want to hear from John Mara, ever. I know that some people don't mind hearing from him. I just feel like football questions should be answered by football guys that he hired. It's cool if you disagree. I'm sure that most do. Nope. Not a Mara fan. His behaviour during Eli-gate was despicable. No other word for it. I don’t care that Jerry and Ben got fired. It’s that there’s no way an adult benches Eli without asking for Mara’s support. Wear it or don’t let it happen John. Don’t fire people to make it seem like you’re shocked it happened. Then he pushes for Judge to be hired. Then there’s rumours that he asks for Garrett to be hired. Then he gives Getty a public ultimatum to “win or else” during his last offseason. Which less sophisticated fans cheered. The result was Getty spending close to 2 years of FA money to save his job. Say what you want about that creep Jerry in Dallas. He meddles 10x as much as Mara. But they have a decent football team, and have for awhile now. One of the reasons I’ve been bias in favour of JS is relative to his meddling with Getty and Reese, Mara at least sounds like he’s less involved. Maybe it’s all just hidden better. But I believe the story of JS wanting a QB and Dabs wanting a WR. So I don’t think the DJ contract was Mara. I think he’s stepped back. I hope he stays there. I’d rather wait for JS to get better as a GM then see John make another decision. He’s a walking curse Sorry for the rant. The more time he spends away from this team the better we’ll do. My favourite manager’s favourite advice: “hire good people and then stay out of their way”.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2024 23:00:00 GMT -5
John didn’t throw a chair at anyone which is what Daboll was essentially accused of doing.
And the fact that Mara spoke about Daboll was the result of Daboll’s actions making headlines.
Additionally, Clark Hunt just came out and spoke about his players dissatisfaction with the team facilities.
The idea of blaming John Mara at all costs is pretty weak IMO.
There are plenty of things to blame John for. Addressing Daboll’s behavior is not one of them.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 28, 2024 23:27:08 GMT -5
it's a big nothingburger to me. He was asked the question at the owners meetings, what was he supposed to say? I don't know why Giants fans act like he is the only NFL owner who talks about his team. The majority of his statement was about how he didn't have a problem with it, and voiced support of Daboll and the way he conducts himself. 👏👏👏👏
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Post by jaymas on Mar 28, 2024 23:32:33 GMT -5
I don't know why Giants fans act like he is the only NFL owner who talks about his team. The majority of his statement was about how he didn't have a problem with it, and voiced support of Daboll and the way he conducts himself. I know one owner that no one ever hears from. The one in Kansas City. I may be in the minority here, but I don't want to hear from John Mara, ever. I know that some people don't mind hearing from him. I just feel like football questions should be answered by football guys that he hired. It's cool if you disagree. I'm sure that most do. Clark Hunt talks all the time, more than Mara. He was also just rated as the worst owner in the league in the NFLPA players survey, and is currently in the media about supposed locker room improvements he promised that he's going back on. John Mara speaks once a year. The obsession with him on here as some sort of behind the scenes monster that only makes bad decisions even if they are obviously bad is one of the silliest things on this board.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 28, 2024 23:34:51 GMT -5
I know one owner that no one ever hears from. The one in Kansas City. I may be in the minority here, but I don't want to hear from John Mara, ever. I know that some people don't mind hearing from him. I just feel like football questions should be answered by football guys that he hired. It's cool if you disagree. I'm sure that most do. Nope. Not a Mara fan. His behaviour during Eli-gate was despicable. No other word for it. I don’t care that Jerry and Ben got fired. It’s that there’s no way an adult benches Eli without asking for Mara’s support. Wear it or don’t let it happen John. Don’t fire people to make it seem like you’re shocked it happened. Then he pushes for Judge to be hired. Then there’s rumours that he asks for Garrett to be hired. Then he gives Getty a public ultimatum to “win or else” during his last offseason. Which less sophisticated fans cheered. The result was Getty spending close to 2 years of FA money to save his job. Say what you want about that creep Jerry in Dallas. He meddles 10x as much as Mara. But they have a decent football team, and have for awhile now. One of the reasons I’ve been bias in favour of JS is relative to his meddling with Getty and Reese, Mara at least sounds like he’s less involved. Maybe it’s all just hidden better. But I believe the story of JS wanting a QB and Dabs wanting a WR. So I don’t think the DJ contract was Mara. I think he’s stepped back. I hope he stays there. I’d rather wait for JS to get better as a GM then see John make another decision. He’s a walking curse Sorry for the rant. The more time he spends away from this team the better we’ll do. My favourite manager’s favourite advice: “hire good people and then stay out of their way”. www.nj.com/giants/2017/11/john_mara_explains_why_he_signed_off_on_giants_ben.html#:~:text=The%20Giants'%20president%20and%20CEO,Sunday's%20game%20at%20the%20Raiders. How is this "not wearing the Eli benching?"
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 29, 2024 1:48:48 GMT -5
Nope. Not a Mara fan. His behaviour during Eli-gate was despicable. No other word for it. I don’t care that Jerry and Ben got fired. It’s that there’s no way an adult benches Eli without asking for Mara’s support. Wear it or don’t let it happen John. Don’t fire people to make it seem like you’re shocked it happened. Then he pushes for Judge to be hired. Then there’s rumours that he asks for Garrett to be hired. Then he gives Getty a public ultimatum to “win or else” during his last offseason. Which less sophisticated fans cheered. The result was Getty spending close to 2 years of FA money to save his job. Say what you want about that creep Jerry in Dallas. He meddles 10x as much as Mara. But they have a decent football team, and have for awhile now. One of the reasons I’ve been bias in favour of JS is relative to his meddling with Getty and Reese, Mara at least sounds like he’s less involved. Maybe it’s all just hidden better. But I believe the story of JS wanting a QB and Dabs wanting a WR. So I don’t think the DJ contract was Mara. I think he’s stepped back. I hope he stays there. I’d rather wait for JS to get better as a GM then see John make another decision. He’s a walking curse Sorry for the rant. The more time he spends away from this team the better we’ll do. My favourite manager’s favourite advice: “hire good people and then stay out of their way”. www.nj.com/giants/2017/11/john_mara_explains_why_he_signed_off_on_giants_ben.html#:~:text=The%20Giants'%20president%20and%20CEO,Sunday's%20game%20at%20the%20Raiders. How is this "not wearing the Eli benching?" To be clear, this started out as John’s idea, John tells Jerry to play the other QBs, McAdoo does it, the public and NFL hate John’s idea, so John fires his GM and HC for implementing his idea? What a fearless leader he is. His mea culpa would actually mean something if he didn’t put a bullet in his two employees for following his advice. That’s how a coward admits he’s wrong. Gives the mob a couple heads so they stop coming for him……...
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Post by miggs on Mar 29, 2024 1:59:31 GMT -5
Glad Mara publicly called Daboll out. Nothing else has changed his childish behavior. I'm sorry.....You want an owner to publicly call out his head coach? Is that what you're saying? Mara was fairly mild in what he said. Sure Daboll had been told by Schoen to tamp it down to no avail. Not a question of my wanting Mara to ho public, more a question of necessity.
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Post by miggs on Mar 29, 2024 2:03:42 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Daboll fired Wink's 2 assistants without telling Wink first, and hoping that Wink would go off on him, and quit? I do.
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Post by dreamteam2007 on Mar 29, 2024 5:12:22 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-mara-there-are-times-when-i-wish-brian-daboll-would-tone-it-downMara publicly said he wishes Daboll would change demeanor. “There are times when I wish he would tone it down a little bit,” Mara said, via Darryl Slater of NJ.com. “But I’m also in the team meetings, and I see how he acts around his coaches in the office. And he always maintains his cool there. Does he get excitable during the games sometimes? Yeah. So do I. But I don’t think it’s a major issue. I don’t think it affects the culture that we have in the building at all. I still very firmly believe that Brian is the right guy for us going forward. I want him to be himself at the end of the day. If I get to the point where I think he’s acting irrationally and it’s affecting his performance, I certainly would have a word with him. I have not seen that.” Is this the same guy that hire david gettlman to be the GM? yeah no he should be quiet
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Post by jaymas on Mar 29, 2024 6:51:05 GMT -5
To be clear, this started out as John’s idea, John tells Jerry to play the other QBs, McAdoo does it, the public and NFL hate John’s idea, so John fires his GM and HC for implementing his idea? What a fearless leader he is. His mea culpa would actually mean something if he didn’t put a bullet in his two employees for following his advice. That’s how a coward admits he’s wrong. Gives the mob a couple heads so they stop coming for him……... That's not why they were fired though, especially Mac.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 29, 2024 6:55:37 GMT -5
John didn’t throw a chair at anyone which is what Daboll was essentially accused of doing. And the fact that Mara spoke about Daboll was the result of Daboll’s actions making headlines. Additionally, Clark Hunt just came out and spoke about his players dissatisfaction with the team facilities. The idea of blaming John Mara at all costs is pretty weak IMO. There are plenty of things to blame John for. Discussing Daboll’s behavior is not one of them. this pretty much sums the situation up for me as well...
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Post by te88 on Mar 29, 2024 7:00:44 GMT -5
He’s worse than Jerry because he pretends that he is different. At least Jerry doesn’t pretend that he leaves things up to the football people. He is unabashedly involved. If John Mara acted more like Jerry Jones at least he would be honest.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 29, 2024 7:36:11 GMT -5
To be clear, this started out as John’s idea, John tells Jerry to play the other QBs, McAdoo does it, the public and NFL hate John’s idea, so John fires his GM and HC for implementing his idea? What a fearless leader he is. His mea culpa would actually mean something if he didn’t put a bullet in his two employees for following his advice. That’s how a coward admits he’s wrong. Gives the mob a couple heads so they stop coming for him……... That's not why they were fired though, especially Mac. Eli got benched the end of November in a dead end season. I didn’t have a problem with them making the decision. I thought it was stupid to try and “discover” what Smith was instead of a younger QB. But the season was over so make the call. If John wanted to signal that he was unhappy with the performance of the GM/HC, then he would’ve waited until the end of the season to can both of them, like he did with Judge and Getty. And Shurmer. And Coughlin. It’s the smart thing to do Instead they both got fired 6 days after Eli was benched and the NFL community put away the pitchforks for John. Fans cheered the firings because that’s what fans do. And yes they both earned the door based on poor performance. That’s what makes it even worse for me. Fans were so happy to see them go that to this day this incident is still thought of as a “good job” by Mara for firing them. Instead of being seen for what it really was: a spoiled rich kid who broke the family’s crystal vase and then blamed it on the nanny and butler who get fired for it, and what does it matter because they weren’t very good at their jobs in the first place? Its such a slimy character-less move from a guy that likes to put himself out there as one of the stewards of the NFL. So again, we’re not hearing from Giants beat reporters since JS was hired about these incidents of Mara meddling. And I really like it that way.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 29, 2024 7:39:06 GMT -5
He’s worse than Jerry because he pretends that he is different. At least Jerry doesn’t pretend that he leaves things up to the football people. He is unabashedly involved. If John Mara acted more like Jerry Jones at least he would be honest. And whether by accident or design, has built a much better football team while doing it. I can’t stand Jerry. But I won’t let my dislike of him suspend common sense.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 29, 2024 8:12:08 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-mara-there-are-times-when-i-wish-brian-daboll-would-tone-it-downMara publicly said he wishes Daboll would change demeanor. “There are times when I wish he would tone it down a little bit,” Mara said, via Darryl Slater of NJ.com. “But I’m also in the team meetings, and I see how he acts around his coaches in the office. And he always maintains his cool there. Does he get excitable during the games sometimes? Yeah. So do I. But I don’t think it’s a major issue. I don’t think it affects the culture that we have in the building at all. I still very firmly believe that Brian is the right guy for us going forward. I want him to be himself at the end of the day. If I get to the point where I think he’s acting irrationally and it’s affecting his performance, I certainly would have a word with him. I have not seen that.” I don't want to hear from John Mara regarding anything having to do with football. I don't want to hear about his view on Saquan, Daniel Jones, the draft....or anything football. Talk about the stadium, turf, rules changes......fine. But you can't be involved with decisions regarding this football team. You have sunk us into the depths of despair with your pathetic attempt to cling to the past. YOU are the problem Johnny....Period. In a word....yes to all of that.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 29, 2024 9:06:53 GMT -5
That's not why they were fired though, especially Mac. Eli got benched the end of November in a dead end season. I didn’t have a problem with them making the decision. I thought it was stupid to try and “discover” what Smith was instead of a younger QB. But the season was over so make the call. If John wanted to signal that he was unhappy with the performance of the GM/HC, then he would’ve waited until the end of the season to can both of them, like he did with Judge and Getty. And Shurmer. And Coughlin. It’s the smart thing to do Instead they both got fired 6 days after Eli was benched and the NFL community put away the pitchforks for John. Fans cheered the firings because that’s what fans do. And yes they both earned the door based on poor performance. That’s what makes it even worse for me. Fans were so happy to see them go that to this day this incident is still thought of as a “good job” by Mara for firing them. Instead of being seen for what it really was: a spoiled rich kid who broke the family’s crystal vase and then blamed it on the nanny and butler who get fired for it, and what does it matter because they weren’t very good at their jobs in the first place? Its such a slimy character-less move from a guy that likes to put himself out there as one of the stewards of the NFL. So again, we’re not hearing from Giants beat reporters since JS was hired about these incidents of Mara meddling. And I really like it that way. While I generally think in-season firings are stupid, consider it's the only mid-season firing ever by the Giants (when other teams do this all the time and aren't raked over the coals for it), so I always figured Mac had really lost something. There is probably stuff with the locker room that we don't know of in the midst of Eli's benching. I wanted to see other guys too, but there is no doubt you have to roll those things out with care, just like any other business or decision leadership must make (which I know you're familiar with). I also don't think John Mara self-proclaims himself as a steward of the NFL. He's a Mara, it's the Giants, and it's a big market. That happened long before him, and he doesn't soap box about it. He probably speaks less publicly than any owner in the NFL except maybe his family, the Rooneys. And that was before. He's speaking even less now. Would a real narcissist actually hear the fan feedback of "being too involved," true or not and take more of a backseat publicly? No. To me that's actually a sign of good leadership even though the perception is probably grossly over exaggerated. I think people generally like to blame him for everything because that's a simpler outlet for fan anger than the much more complicated reasons this franchise has been a dumpster fire for a decade save for a few seasons or moments. And I get that, but it's just reaching the point of ridiculous for me, and also displays a total lack of awareness of the other owners in the NFL who want the spotlight, give opinions, and involve themselves far more than John Mara. Even normal things get blown out of proportion, like "attended a team meeting." If one were to think for 5 seconds about that and not be in a huff, it's obviously a meeting where the whole team is addressed, not position groups, not film, etc. Every owner in the league is part of that stuff, they own the f*kin team haha.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 29, 2024 9:13:11 GMT -5
I know one owner that no one ever hears from. The one in Kansas City. I may be in the minority here, but I don't want to hear from John Mara, ever. I know that some people don't mind hearing from him. I just feel like football questions should be answered by football guys that he hired. It's cool if you disagree. I'm sure that most do. Clark Hunt talks all the time, more than Mara. He was also just rated as the worst owner in the league in the NFLPA players survey, and is currently in the media about supposed locker room improvements he promised that he's going back on. John Mara speaks once a year. The obsession with him on here as some sort of behind the scenes monster that only makes bad decisions even if they are obviously bad is one of the silliest things on this board. Fans who live in NY that only hear JM quotes doesn't equate to "no other owners talk as much". If they lived in those other teams markets, they would know that isn't true.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 29, 2024 9:41:21 GMT -5
Eli got benched the end of November in a dead end season. I didn’t have a problem with them making the decision. I thought it was stupid to try and “discover” what Smith was instead of a younger QB. But the season was over so make the call. If John wanted to signal that he was unhappy with the performance of the GM/HC, then he would’ve waited until the end of the season to can both of them, like he did with Judge and Getty. And Shurmer. And Coughlin. It’s the smart thing to do Instead they both got fired 6 days after Eli was benched and the NFL community put away the pitchforks for John. Fans cheered the firings because that’s what fans do. And yes they both earned the door based on poor performance. That’s what makes it even worse for me. Fans were so happy to see them go that to this day this incident is still thought of as a “good job” by Mara for firing them. Instead of being seen for what it really was: a spoiled rich kid who broke the family’s crystal vase and then blamed it on the nanny and butler who get fired for it, and what does it matter because they weren’t very good at their jobs in the first place? Its such a slimy character-less move from a guy that likes to put himself out there as one of the stewards of the NFL. So again, we’re not hearing from Giants beat reporters since JS was hired about these incidents of Mara meddling. And I really like it that way. While I generally think in-season firings are stupid, consider it's the only mid-season firing ever by the Giants (when other teams do this all the time and aren't raked over the coals for it), so I always figured Mac had really lost something. There is probably stuff with the locker room that we don't know of in the midst of Eli's benching. I wanted to see other guys too, but there is no doubt you have to roll those things out with care, just like any other business or decision leadership must make (which I know you're familiar with). I also don't think John Mara self-proclaims himself as a steward of the NFL. He's a Mara, it's the Giants, and it's a big market. That happened long before him, and he doesn't soap box about it. He probably speaks less publicly than any owner in the NFL except maybe his family, the Rooneys. And that was before. He's speaking even less now. Would a real narcissist actually hear the fan feedback of "being too involved," true or not and take more of a backseat publicly? No. To me that's actually a sign of good leadership even though the perception is probably grossly over exaggerated. I think people generally like to blame him for everything because that's a simpler outlet for fan anger than the much more complicated reasons this franchise has been a dumpster fire for a decade save for a few seasons or moments. And I get that, but it's just reaching the point of ridiculous for me, and also displays a total lack of awareness of the other owners in the NFL who want the spotlight, give opinions, and involve themselves far more than John Mara. Even normal things get blown out of proportion, like "attended a team meeting." If one were to think for 5 seconds about that and not be in a huff, it's obviously a meeting where the whole team is addressed, not position groups, not film, etc. Every owner in the league is part of that stuff, they own the f*ukin team haha. My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged. I think (just my opinion) the relative silence from him since JS was hired is an acknowledgment that he was probably knee deep in some of the previous GM decisions (as reported) and this is his own unspoken response and learned lesson of letting football people run the franchise instead of “here’s what I’d like to see….” I think he got lucky, or his internal reputation earned JS’ interest in this franchise after turning over coaches here every two years like it’s run by some 15 yr old. JS was considered the prize GM for hire when he came here, I was shocked he came here. The heat he’s taking for the Daboll comment is silly. Yes he should have deflected the question (PR 101, same as “DJ is our starter”, while we deep dive on every QB in the first 2 rds), but he followed it up (not as widely reported) with a big vote of confidence in JS and Dabs so that’s properly handled by my eye. From coaching people in the finance industry for 15ish years, I’m more patient with development than most, if progress is evident. It’s why I don’t need JS fired for signing DJ and trading for Waller, I don’t need Dabs fired because he let his emotions control his behaviour more than a professional should, and I don’t need Tisch running this team because Mara acted like a coward when his Eli idea blew up in his face. I like a story where someone learns a lesson and grows from it. More than the mob fascination of firing people assuming that it increases your probability of improvement more than the incumbent just getting better from the experience of trial and error. Sorry for the book-like response.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 29, 2024 9:58:07 GMT -5
I hope Daboll tones it down because I’m afraid he’s going to have a heart attack out there. The guy obviously doesn’t take care of himself and I don’t want anything to happen to him. He’s got a young family to raise.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 29, 2024 18:26:29 GMT -5
While I generally think in-season firings are stupid, consider it's the only mid-season firing ever by the Giants (when other teams do this all the time and aren't raked over the coals for it), so I always figured Mac had really lost something. There is probably stuff with the locker room that we don't know of in the midst of Eli's benching. I wanted to see other guys too, but there is no doubt you have to roll those things out with care, just like any other business or decision leadership must make (which I know you're familiar with). I also don't think John Mara self-proclaims himself as a steward of the NFL. He's a Mara, it's the Giants, and it's a big market. That happened long before him, and he doesn't soap box about it. He probably speaks less publicly than any owner in the NFL except maybe his family, the Rooneys. And that was before. He's speaking even less now. Would a real narcissist actually hear the fan feedback of "being too involved," true or not and take more of a backseat publicly? No. To me that's actually a sign of good leadership even though the perception is probably grossly over exaggerated. I think people generally like to blame him for everything because that's a simpler outlet for fan anger than the much more complicated reasons this franchise has been a dumpster fire for a decade save for a few seasons or moments. And I get that, but it's just reaching the point of ridiculous for me, and also displays a total lack of awareness of the other owners in the NFL who want the spotlight, give opinions, and involve themselves far more than John Mara. Even normal things get blown out of proportion, like "attended a team meeting." If one were to think for 5 seconds about that and not be in a huff, it's obviously a meeting where the whole team is addressed, not position groups, not film, etc. Every owner in the league is part of that stuff, they own the f*ukin team haha. My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged. I think (just my opinion) the relative silence from him since JS was hired is an acknowledgment that he was probably knee deep in some of the previous GM decisions (as reported) and this is his own unspoken response and learned lesson of letting football people run the franchise instead of “here’s what I’d like to see….” I think he got lucky, or his internal reputation earned JS’ interest in this franchise after turning over coaches here every two years like it’s run by some 15 yr old. JS was considered the prize GM for hire when he came here, I was shocked he came here. The heat he’s taking for the Daboll comment is silly. Yes he should have deflected the question (PR 101, same as “DJ is our starter”, while we deep dive on every QB in the first 2 rds), but he followed it up (not as widely reported) with a big vote of confidence in JS and Dabs so that’s properly handled by my eye. From coaching people in the finance industry for 15ish years, I’m more patient with development than most, if progress is evident. It’s why I don’t need JS fired for signing DJ and trading for Waller, I don’t need Dabs fired because he let his emotions control his behaviour more than a professional should, and I don’t need Tisch running this team because Mara acted like a coward when his Eli idea blew up in his face. I like a story where someone learns a lesson and grows from it. More than the mob fascination of firing people assuming that it increases your probability of improvement more than the incumbent just getting better from the experience of trial and error. Sorry for the book-like response. Don't agree with everything said here, but well put and I respect it ✅✅
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2024 18:35:52 GMT -5
My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged. I'm guessing there was dysfunction between Reese and Coughlin and that's where the animosity came from. Tom was shown the door while Jerry was retained. But clearly Tom had lost a step with his game management skills by then. One of the things I like best about JS & BD is that we now have a team leading this team. This may be the first time we've had this type of synergy.
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Post by Bigjeep on Mar 29, 2024 18:48:01 GMT -5
My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged. I'm guessing there was dysfunction between Reese and Coughlin and that's where the animosity came from. Tom was shown the door while Jerry was retained. But clearly Tom had lost a step with his game management skills by then. One of the things I like best about JS & BD is that we now have a team leading this team. This may be the first time we've had this type of synergy. Now we just need to see results!
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Post by McCherry on Mar 29, 2024 18:49:43 GMT -5
While I generally think in-season firings are stupid, consider it's the only mid-season firing ever by the Giants (when other teams do this all the time and aren't raked over the coals for it), so I always figured Mac had really lost something. There is probably stuff with the locker room that we don't know of in the midst of Eli's benching. I wanted to see other guys too, but there is no doubt you have to roll those things out with care, just like any other business or decision leadership must make (which I know you're familiar with). I also don't think John Mara self-proclaims himself as a steward of the NFL. He's a Mara, it's the Giants, and it's a big market. That happened long before him, and he doesn't soap box about it. He probably speaks less publicly than any owner in the NFL except maybe his family, the Rooneys. And that was before. He's speaking even less now. Would a real narcissist actually hear the fan feedback of "being too involved," true or not and take more of a backseat publicly? No. To me that's actually a sign of good leadership even though the perception is probably grossly over exaggerated. I think people generally like to blame him for everything because that's a simpler outlet for fan anger than the much more complicated reasons this franchise has been a dumpster fire for a decade save for a few seasons or moments. And I get that, but it's just reaching the point of ridiculous for me, and also displays a total lack of awareness of the other owners in the NFL who want the spotlight, give opinions, and involve themselves far more than John Mara. Even normal things get blown out of proportion, like "attended a team meeting." If one were to think for 5 seconds about that and not be in a huff, it's obviously a meeting where the whole team is addressed, not position groups, not film, etc. Every owner in the league is part of that stuff, they own the f*ukin team haha. My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged.Agreed. Tom was coming off 3 losing seasons, he wasn't able to see it was time for him to leave the game.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 29, 2024 19:25:46 GMT -5
My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged.Agreed. Tom was coming off 3 losing seasons, he wasn't able to see it was time for him to leave the game.
John didn't hire Tom, Wellington did. John openly admitted that he and Ernie were taken aback by Tom's first interview. Pretty sure they would not have hired him. Then there was the "talk" before the 2007 season as Tom was on the hot seat. That might not have exactly sat well with Tom as well.
I don't see any love lost there from Tom's point of view.
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Post by mendy on Mar 29, 2024 20:23:04 GMT -5
My rage against Mara is not blind like some people on here. He’s not responsible for everything that’s wrong with this team. How he handled TC and the two championships is something he should be really proud of. More than 50% of the fanbase (people on here that don’t mention it like it never happened) we’re screaming for his head, before both championships. And he stuck it out with him. And it was the right thing to do. I thought TC not shaking his hand after his exit speech was a classless act. He owed John way more than he acknowledged. I'm guessing there was dysfunction between Reese and Coughlin and that's where the animosity came from. Tom was shown the door while Jerry was retained. But clearly Tom had lost a step with his game management skills by then. One of the things I like best about JS & BD is that we now have a team leading this team. This may be the first time we've had this type of synergy. IMO JM big mistake was not dumping Reese along with Coughlin, we should have started from scratch then.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 30, 2024 0:05:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry.....You want an owner to publicly call out his head coach? Is that what you're saying? Mara was fairly mild in what he said. Sure Daboll had been told by Schoen to tamp it down to no avail. Not a question of my wanting Mara to ho public, more a question of necessity. Coaches need to be themselves. Some are "cool"....some aren't. The worst thing you can be asked to do is be something other than who you are. Trust me.....65 years has taught me that if nothing else.
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Post by mendy on Mar 30, 2024 5:18:28 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Daboll fired Wink's 2 assistants without telling Wink first, and hoping that Wink would go off on him, and quit? I do. So in your opinion it's fine with you for two "assistants" to openly disobey the HC and and not just that but go to an outsider and lie about it and not get fired? You seriously have know understanding of how football or the NFL works. Fans like you want to bitchh about the Coach screaming , STFW. You want super bowls like in the old days. Well Parcells and Coughlin both of our Super Bowl Coaches and Jim Fassel all screamed at players and other Coaches alike, yes it the nature of the business , don't like ..............tuff shitt.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 30, 2024 6:09:36 GMT -5
Based on JS’ previous comments, Daboll has a better chance keeping his job with a 6 win season where the coaches have a better work environment, than an 8 win season where assistants are trying to head for the door for laterals. Being tough and demanding isn’t a problem. It’s a pre-requisite for this level of competition. But losing your shit so bad that coaches are willing to take a lateral out of town (particularly because it shows we have assistants that are in demand) can’t be tolerated any longer. It’s tricky ground here. Mara can see that there may have been some abnormally ugliness between the HC and his staff. I would think that would be fairly apparent. He can not answer questions like that…and leave the impression he either doesn’t see it or doesn’t care, or he can give the kind of answer he did, which in full was very supportive of DaBoll with a hint of, “we’re working on it”. I think the PR department could have done a better job prepping him with a slightly better answer (I would have gone with something indicating DaBoll is driving for change).
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Post by miggs on Mar 30, 2024 6:18:14 GMT -5
Mara was fairly mild in what he said. Sure Daboll had been told by Schoen to tamp it down to no avail. Not a question of my wanting Mara to ho public, more a question of necessity. Coaches need to be themselves. Some are "cool"....some aren't. The worst thing you can be asked to do is be something other than who you are. Trust me.....65 years has taught me that if nothing else. Most people can improve their behavior. Daboll is no exception. He seems to now realize that.
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Post by miggs on Mar 30, 2024 6:32:01 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Daboll fired Wink's 2 assistants without telling Wink first, and hoping that Wink would go off on him, and quit? I do. So in your opinion it's fine with you for two "assistants" to openly disobey the HC and and not just that but go to an outsider and lie about it and not get fired? You seriously have know understanding of how football or the NFL works. Fans like you want to bitchh about the Coach screaming , STFW. You want super bowls like in the old days. Well Parcells and Coughlin both of our Super Bowl Coaches and Jim Fassel all screamed at players and other Coaches alike, yes it the nature of the business , don't like ..............tuff shitt. As for your first point, Daboll before firing Wink's assistants should have shown respect for Wink, his DC, and told him of his intention to fire them and let Wink respond. Rather he chose to fire them first and then inform Wink. Showing such disrespect is saying I don't value your opinion nor want your input. It seems to me that both Schoen and Daboll wanted both Dabol and his assistants gone and they they achieved their goal by getting Wink to show some pride and quit. That way they didn't have to fire him and honor the rest of his contract. It may actually not have gone that way, but that what for me appears to have happened. Maybe now Wink has the same impression.
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