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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 30, 2024 7:59:41 GMT -5
I'm guessing there was dysfunction between Reese and Coughlin and that's where the animosity came from. Tom was shown the door while Jerry was retained. But clearly Tom had lost a step with his game management skills by then. One of the things I like best about JS & BD is that we now have a team leading this team. This may be the first time we've had this type of synergy. IMO JM big mistake was not dumping Reese along with Coughlin, we should have started from scratch then. I didn’t have a problem with that. There was plenty I didn’t like about our coaching for years. |
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 30, 2024 9:07:11 GMT -5
Based on JS’ previous comments, Daboll has a better chance keeping his job with a 6 win season where the coaches have a better work environment, than an 8 win season where assistants are trying to head for the door for laterals. Being tough and demanding isn’t a problem. It’s a pre-requisite for this level of competition. But losing your shit so bad that coaches are willing to take a lateral out of town (particularly because it shows we have assistants that are in demand) can’t be tolerated any longer. It’s tricky ground here. Mara can see that there may have been some abnormally ugliness between the HC and his staff. I would think that would be fairly apparent. He can not answer questions like that…and leave the impression he either doesn’t see it or doesn’t care, or he can give the kind of answer he did, which in full was very supportive of DaBoll with a hint of, “we’re working on it”. I think the PR department could have done a better job prepping him with a slightly better answer (I would have gone with something indicating DaBoll is driving for change). Couldn’t have said it better. If you take his statement in totality it’s very JS and Daboll positive, but it was clumsy. Just an opinion, but I think Mara desperately wants what they have in Pittsburg, which is stability. I think he’s looking for any common sense reason to keep JS. However, I think Dabs has more to worry about with JS. He’s a big growth mindset and development guy. When he got here he made a point of saying they're going to prioritize people that work well as a team with an intense work ethic. He’s a culture guy (as he should be), Dabs will need to really find a way to understand that his intensity is helpful and powerful up to a point. Past that point and all that helpfulness turns to hindrance. |
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Post by Nite on Mar 30, 2024 16:22:08 GMT -5
In a future alternate reality. A rich billionaire forces Mara to sell the team to him. Then fires ALL the Mara people in the FO. Moves the team to Scranton PA. Renames them the Scranton Giant Bobcats. Builds a brilliant 35B above/below ground stadium complex with its own airport, train station, restaurants, hotels, shops, Malls, zoo, police/fire stations, farms, TV studio and football amusement park
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Post by mendy on Mar 30, 2024 17:35:07 GMT -5
So in your opinion it's fine with you for two "assistants" to openly disobey the HC and and not just that but go to an outsider and lie about it and not get fired? You seriously have know understanding of how football or the NFL works. Fans like you want to bitchh about the Coach screaming , STFW. You want super bowls like in the old days. Well Parcells and Coughlin both of our Super Bowl Coaches and Jim Fassel all screamed at players and other Coaches alike, yes it the nature of the business , don't like ..............tuff shitt. As for your first point, Daboll before firing Wink's assistants should have shown respect for Wink, his DC, and told him of his intention to fire them and let Wink respond. Rather he chose to fire them first and then inform Wink. Showing such disrespect is saying I don't value your opinion nor want your input. It seems to me that both Schoen and Daboll wanted both Dabol and his assistants gone and they they achieved their goal by getting Wink to show some pride and quit. That way they didn't have to fire him and honor the rest of his contract. It may actually not have gone that way, but that what for me appears to have happened. Maybe now Wink has the same impression. BS. You show how little you know. Daboll went into a Defensive Coaches meeting and point black said anyone who has a problem with him speak up , no one said a word. They instead went to Jay Glazer with one-sided BS. Daboll had told Wink and his assistant they were starting a 3 rd team rookie as QB and go with a basic D against Dallas, Wink ignored it. The D gave up over 400 yards and 49 points. They find out it was Winks assistants , yes , Daboll has every right to fire them and by not telling Wink kept him from being in the middle of it. My Defensive Coordinator does that to me, he isn't on the same team plane home. Yes I would scream and every HC would. Ignore the fact Wink and his buds did the same shit in Baltimore. |
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Post by mendy on Mar 30, 2024 17:37:44 GMT -5
In a future alternate reality. A rich billionaire forces Mara to sell the team to him. Then fires ALL the Mara people in the FO. Moves the team to Scranton PA. Renames them the Scranton Giant Bobcats. Builds a brilliant 35B above/below ground stadium complex with its own airport, train station, restaurants, hotels, shops, Malls, zoo, police/fire stations, farms, TV studio and football amusement park You mean like the other 50% Owner of the Giants ,Tisch? You know Mara's 50% stake is shared with 10 other family members. |
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Post by Nite on Mar 30, 2024 21:36:19 GMT -5
In a future alternate reality. A rich billionaire forces Mara to sell the team to him. Then fires ALL the Mara people in the FO. Moves the team to Scranton PA. Renames them the Scranton Giant Bobcats. Builds a brilliant 35B above/below ground stadium complex with its own airport, train station, restaurants, hotels, shops, Malls, zoo, police/fire stations, farms, TV studio and football amusement park You mean like the other 50% Owner of the Giants ,Tisch? You know Mara's 50% stake is shared with 10 other family members. Red .... Boobalah Its a shonda for the goyim.. Oy.. Thats ok I still have hope |
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 31, 2024 0:20:08 GMT -5
Just stupid,
Different era, he needs to conduct himself, better period.
He represents the franchise and those antics do not work in 2024
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Post by mendy on Mar 31, 2024 5:02:23 GMT -5
Just stupid, Different era, he needs to conduct himself, better period. He represents the franchise and those antics do not work in 2024 If you mean going behind your Boss's back to the press press and lie, yes I agree with you. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2024 7:54:26 GMT -5
Am I the only on the caught this?
Yeah, He's our guy.......But.
It was a lot nothing said. IMO there was a powerful message embedded in what he said.
John Mara is not as stupid as some people think he is. He watched what was going on within that 6-win outcome. Not willing to make moves as of yet. At the same time said I am not liking some of what I am seeing without making it blatant.
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Post by mendy on Mar 31, 2024 9:28:56 GMT -5
Coaches and Emotions.
and a little while ago.........
...........and NY Giant revisionist.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 31, 2024 9:41:39 GMT -5
Coaches need to be themselves. Some are "cool"....some aren't. The worst thing you can be asked to do is be something other than who you are. Trust me.....65 years has taught me that if nothing else. Most people can improve their behavior. Daboll is no exception. He seems to now realize that. It's a matter of opinion as to what "improving behavior" is. Yelling football coaches is hardly an unusual circumstance. |
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Post by mendy on Mar 31, 2024 9:57:32 GMT -5
B.B.
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Post by cja60 on Mar 31, 2024 10:55:10 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I don't think Parcells was a church mouse on the sidelines....I like the passion and after so many losing seasons I feel things need to change and players and coaches need to be accountable....Enough with the coddling of the players and coaches do your job...period.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 31, 2024 11:27:15 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I don't think Parcells was a church mouse on the sidelines....I like the passion and after so many losing seasons I feel things need to change and players and coaches need to be accountable....Enough with the coddling of the players and coaches do your job...period. Parcells was hard on his coaches and players.. Honesty at its most brutal point.. However, his guys would follow him to the depths of hell. Some of the most accomplished coaches were the toughest to be around. This is a 24/7.. 365 days a year job. Off-seasons don't exist.. Days off are nonexistent. Rest.. You do that when you’re dead. Being fired is inevitable in this field. The trick is to postpone it for as long as you can. And the only way to do that is to push your players to the brink of exhaustion. Nothing worth achieving is easy.. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 1, 2024 7:38:20 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I don't think Parcells was a church mouse on the sidelines....I like the passion and after so many losing seasons I feel things need to change and players and coaches need to be accountable....Enough with the coddling of the players and coaches do your job...period. Look at the last video in the post two up from yours |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2024 10:02:20 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC.
What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 1, 2024 11:19:50 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC. What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff. I want my HC to be himself. So.....yell away as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 1, 2024 11:29:07 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC. What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff. I want my HC to be himself. So.....yell away as far as I'm concerned. As your anger increases your cognitive reasoning decreases. Cooler heads prevail.
"If they are angry, disturb them"
"If the general cannot control his temper and sends troops to swarm the walls, one third of them will be killed, and the city will still not be taken.
"If he gives out punishments frequently, he is dire straits. If he is brutal at first, and then fears the masses, he is the extreme of ineptitude."
"The ruler may not move his army out of anger; the general may not do battle out of wrath." Sun Tzu |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 1, 2024 11:40:00 GMT -5
Maybe Mara is already setting up the narrative to have an out to grab Bellichick next season.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2024 16:55:32 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC. What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff. I want my HC to be himself. So.....yell away as far as I'm concerned. I want my HC to be a great HC and if being himself is detrimental then things need to change. If he changes his own behavior then he is still being himself no? Not saying he is detrimental as of now. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 1, 2024 23:26:19 GMT -5
I want my HC to be himself. So.....yell away as far as I'm concerned. I want my HC to be a great HC and if being himself is detrimental then things need to change. If he changes his own behavior then he is still being himself no? Not saying he is detrimental as of now. I have some interesting news for you....when your team sucks, the HC is going to yell a lot. As a matter of fact when you're as bad as we were and the HC is NOT yelling..........that is a bigger problem. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 2, 2024 2:40:34 GMT -5
Am I the only on the caught this? Yeah, He's our guy.......But. It was a lot nothing said. IMO there was a powerful message embedded in what he said. John Mara is not as stupid as some people think he is. He watched what was going on within that 6-win outcome. Not willing to make moves as of yet. At the same time said I am not liking some of what I am seeing without making it blatant. Agree with this! (except for the stupid part...the evidence says Mara isn't very bright, when it comes to football). This is handled in-house unless it's a bigger picture message, IMO. This is Mara setting Daboll up for the fall. Another 5-7 win season, and it will be this, and 2024s problems, laid out, at the "Daboll is fired" press conference, next winter. I also think the, "My FO has told me this is a deep QB class", was doing the same to Schoen. Kind of a..."OK Joe, replace DJ and draft your QB...but don't f*ck it up." Mara sees what's going on...6 win season, weaker overall roster, and his 2 favorite players will both be gone (1 already is) in less than a year. Another losing season, and Mara has already distanced himself from both. Time will tell... |
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Post by imgrate on Apr 2, 2024 4:48:55 GMT -5
Am I the only on the caught this? Yeah, He's our guy.......But. It was a lot nothing said. IMO there was a powerful message embedded in what he said. John Mara is not as stupid as some people think he is. He watched what was going on within that 6-win outcome. Not willing to make moves as of yet. At the same time said I am not liking some of what I am seeing without making it blatant. Agree with this! (except for the stupid part...the evidence says Mara isn't very bright, when it comes to football). This is handled in-house unless it's a bigger picture message, IMO. This is Mara setting Daboll up for the fall. Another 5-7 win season, and it will be this, and 2024s problems, laid out, at the "Daboll is fired" press conference, next winter. I also think the, "My FO has told me this is a deep QB class", was doing the same to Schoen. Kind of a..."OK Joe, replace DJ and draft your QB...but don't f*ck it up." Mara sees what's going on...6 win season, weaker overall roster, and his 2 favorite players will both be gone (1 already is) in less than a year. Another losing season, and Mara has already distanced himself from both. Time will tell... Definitely one way to read it. For some reason, recently I’ve been getting the feeling that they really want Nabers. That feeling is due to me feeling that Mara dropping the line about QBs was coordinated between he and the Front Office. And is a way to entice a team (Vikings), to trade in front of us to grab a QB, leaving us with Nabers (assuming SD goes MHJ). |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 2, 2024 6:32:04 GMT -5
Agree with this! (except for the stupid part...the evidence says Mara isn't very bright, when it comes to football). This is handled in-house unless it's a bigger picture message, IMO. This is Mara setting Daboll up for the fall. Another 5-7 win season, and it will be this, and 2024s problems, laid out, at the "Daboll is fired" press conference, next winter. I also think the, "My FO has told me this is a deep QB class", was doing the same to Schoen. Kind of a..."OK Joe, replace DJ and draft your QB...but don't f*ck it up." Mara sees what's going on...6 win season, weaker overall roster, and his 2 favorite players will both be gone (1 already is) in less than a year. Another losing season, and Mara has already distanced himself from both. Time will tell... Definitely one way to read it. For some reason, recently I’ve been getting the feeling that they really want Nabers. That feeling is due to me feeling that Mara dropping the line about QBs was coordinated between he and the Front Office. And is a way to entice a team (Vikings), to trade in front of us to grab a QB, leaving us with Nabers (assuming SD goes MHJ). with my personal take on these qbs (not hugely enamored with any of them), that would not necessarily be a bad thing... |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 2, 2024 18:42:40 GMT -5
I want my HC to be a great HC and if being himself is detrimental then things need to change. If he changes his own behavior then he is still being himself no? Not saying he is detrimental as of now. I have some interesting news for you....when your team sucks, the HC is going to yell a lot. As a matter of fact when you're as bad as we were and the HC is NOT yelling..........that is a bigger problem. when I see him yelling over the top at the first day of OTAs after the a successful 2022 season then yeah.....I have news for you. There may be a problem. There is yelling and there is just being an asshole. I am not on the inside so I dont know whats going on of course. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 3, 2024 1:13:23 GMT -5
Agree with this! (except for the stupid part...the evidence says Mara isn't very bright, when it comes to football). This is handled in-house unless it's a bigger picture message, IMO. This is Mara setting Daboll up for the fall. Another 5-7 win season, and it will be this, and 2024s problems, laid out, at the "Daboll is fired" press conference, next winter. I also think the, "My FO has told me this is a deep QB class", was doing the same to Schoen. Kind of a..."OK Joe, replace DJ and draft your QB...but don't f*ck it up." Mara sees what's going on...6 win season, weaker overall roster, and his 2 favorite players will both be gone (1 already is) in less than a year. Another losing season, and Mara has already distanced himself from both. Time will tell... Definitely one way to read it. For some reason, recently I’ve been getting the feeling that they really want Nabers. That feeling is due to me feeling that Mara dropping the line about QBs was coordinated between he and the Front Office. And is a way to entice a team (Vikings), to trade in front of us to grab a QB, leaving us with Nabers (assuming SD goes MHJ). Minnesota has the best WR in the NFL, a stud 2nd year WR as well, and an offensive minded HC. They'd be dumb to sit by and not get a QB in this draft. I don't think they're worried about Schoen, or the Giants, they're worried about Justin Jefferson, and wasting his talent. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out. |
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Post by imgrate on Apr 3, 2024 7:17:48 GMT -5
Definitely one way to read it. For some reason, recently I’ve been getting the feeling that they really want Nabers. That feeling is due to me feeling that Mara dropping the line about QBs was coordinated between he and the Front Office. And is a way to entice a team (Vikings), to trade in front of us to grab a QB, leaving us with Nabers (assuming SD goes MHJ). Minnesota has the best WR in the NFL, a stud 2nd year WR as well, and an offensive minded HC. They'd be dumb to sit by and not get a QB in this draft. I don't think they're worried about Schoen, or the Giants, they're worried about Justin Jefferson, and wasting his talent. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think they are worried about any team that wants a QB, taking a QB ahead of them. If the Giants signaled that we had no interest in QBs, then maybe Minny feels a bit more comfortable trading up to say, 7. However, since we have shown strong interest in this crop of QBs, then minnesota has to be under the impression that they have to trade up to 4 or 5 to get their guy. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 3, 2024 9:44:19 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC. What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff. When has/does Daboll go ballistic too often? |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 3, 2024 14:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Apr 4, 2024 13:51:46 GMT -5
being hard on your players, coaches and staff is fine. You want that from an HC. What you dont want is a coach who goes ballistic too often when its not needed. I think Dabs can be like that. Not good for him, the team or the staff. When has/does Daboll go ballistic too often? he hasnt as far as we are able to actually see. However I am sure the it occurs more than what is available to the public. He's a fiery guy and thats totally ok until its not |
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