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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 4, 2024 4:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 5:42:03 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 4, 2024 6:58:52 GMT -5
I get why you move on from Diggs. He’s not happy in Buffalo, he’s a big cap hit, and he’s 30. You have a draft deep in WRs so you hope you can pick up a long term replacement and accept the reality that you could also be drafting a dud.
But trading Allen? Seriously? I’ve read some dumb suggestions designed to get clicks, but this is the undisputed champion of 2024 so far.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 4, 2024 7:11:34 GMT -5
I fully anticipate the Billls selling a 27 yr old franchise QB.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 4, 2024 7:41:13 GMT -5
I get why you move on from Diggs. He’s not happy in Buffalo, he’s a big cap hit, and he’s 30. You have a draft deep in WRs so you hope you can pick up a long term replacement and accept the reality that you could also be drafting a dud. But trading Allen? Seriously? I’ve read some dumb suggestions designed to get clicks, but this is the undisputed champion of 2024 so far. the only thing less likely is the Chiefs moving on from Mahomes...
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 4, 2024 9:13:35 GMT -5
No chance in hell this would happen.. Talk about throwing shit in the wind and getting a face full of it in return. Not on this planet or wherever the hell the author is from would the Bills trade away their franchise quarterback who’s still well into his prime. It would not only be a **** you to the fan base..
It would send a tornado throughout the locker room. Citing Matthew Stafford is weak.. He was 33 by the time the Lions traded him away. Josh Allen is an eternity away from that. Teams don’t jettison elite quarterbacks without a death wish.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 4, 2024 9:38:57 GMT -5
This is the stupidest suggestion by a sports writer that I can remember. Teams spend their resources for years trying to find a franchise QB and they have one in their prime and this guy wants to trade him away to try and find another one.
Keep Allen and build around him.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 4, 2024 10:51:45 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. Agreed.. Who wants a stud at quarterback just hitting his prime.. If the Bills were to ever go full retard and decided to trade their most valuable asset. We would not only run to Buffalo to pick him up.. We would give up the farm.. the barn.. and both of our arms.
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 4, 2024 11:36:57 GMT -5
...when did meth become legal?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 4, 2024 11:46:00 GMT -5
lmfao crazier things have happened...........
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 12:20:09 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. Agreed.. Who wants a stud at quarterback just hitting his prime.. If the Bills were to ever go full retard and decided to trade their most valuable asset. We would not only run to Buffalo to pick him up.. We would give up the farm.. the barn.. and both of our arms. And due to his contract we would still have no one to block for him, no one for him to throw to, no defense…we have way too many holes to fill to take on a QB in his prime. But yeah, that would be cool to see him struggle for a a few years like he did before they got Diggs who they just traded. Of course you loved the Waller trade so this doesn’t surprise me.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 4, 2024 13:23:37 GMT -5
seriously doubt they're trading Josh Allen, of course I would take him if they're that stupid
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 4, 2024 13:35:03 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. I don't want this trade, but definitely not for these reasons. You assume that Schoen had nothing to do with those players being drafted..... Just like we assumed that Brandon Brown was the brain behind the Eagles......
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 13:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. I don't want this trade, but definitely not for these reasons. You assume that Schoen had nothing to do with those players being drafted..... Just like we assumed that Brandon Brown was the brain behind the Eagles...... I actually assume he had “something” to do with who they drafted but I’m starting to question how much based on his drafts with the Giants so far. I understand they want to draft someone they’re comfortable with and know a lot about but I think that’s also somewhat of a lazy way of doing things and is often detrimental to the team. It reminds me of DG with Oma, Stewart and the handful of other players he brought to the Giants from his previous job and they all ended up sucking hind teets. It makes me wonder how much he actually looked around the league for players of the same position that would have actually been much better options.
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Post by fredfreddy on Apr 4, 2024 14:03:04 GMT -5
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 4, 2024 17:24:56 GMT -5
Starting to get to the bottom of the barrel of pre-draft story desperation.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 4, 2024 17:57:23 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. What washed up players are you referring to?
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 18:11:41 GMT -5
Yeah, not thanks, I’m already getting leary of Schoen trying to make the Giants the Bills 2.0 with washed up players. How very Gettleman. Build your own team Schoen, don’t rely on who your predecessor drafted. What washed up players are you referring to? Lets see, the ones I remember…Cole f’in Beasley, Boogie Basham, Hodgins, McCloud, and Williams. May or may not be missing a couple more.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 4, 2024 18:19:28 GMT -5
What washed up players are you referring to? Lets see, the ones I remember…Cole f’in Beasley, Boogie Basham, Hodgins, McCloud, and Williams. May or may not be missing a couple more. OK I'll give you Cole Beasley. Hodgins is a 25yr old who played in 13 games before coming here. Boogie Basham is a 26yr old who played in 23 games before coming here Nick McCloud is a 25yr old who played 2 games for Cincy before coming here Lenny Williams came here at the height of his career and is still 1 of the best at his position. I'm not sure how youre defining the word "washed up". Most people usually reserve it for people who have been around a while and their play fell off over time, their career or success has ended
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 18:43:30 GMT -5
Lets see, the ones I remember…Cole f’in Beasley, Boogie Basham, Hodgins, McCloud, and Williams. May or may not be missing a couple more. OK I'll give you Cole Beasley. Hodgins is a 25yr old who played in 13 games before coming here. Boogie Basham is a 26yr old who played in 23 games before coming here Nick McCloud is a 25yr old who played 2 games for Cincy before coming here Lenny Williams came here at the height of his career and is still 1 of the best at his position. I'm not sure how youre defining the word "washed up". Most people usually reserve it for people who have been around a while and their play fell off over time, their career or success has ended Washed up, worthless, well below average, however you want to phrase it. I understand there were cap restraints, partly from DG doing the same thing, but c’mon. How about this, scrubs? *and technically, being that the average length of an NFL players career is ~3.5 years, based on those ages they probably were washed up
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 18:48:09 GMT -5
Lets see, the ones I remember…Cole f’in Beasley, Boogie Basham, Hodgins, McCloud, and Williams. May or may not be missing a couple more. OK I'll give you Cole Beasley. Hodgins is a 25yr old who played in 13 games before coming here. Boogie Basham is a 26yr old who played in 23 games before coming here Nick McCloud is a 25yr old who played 2 games for Cincy before coming here Lenny Williams came here at the height of his career and is still 1 of the best at his position. I'm not sure how youre defining the word "washed up". Most people usually reserve it for people who have been around a while and their play fell off over time, their career or success has ended I was talking about Antonio Williams, the RB. Leo was a great player but that’s another signing that DG royally ****ed up.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 4, 2024 18:48:35 GMT -5
OK I'll give you Cole Beasley. Hodgins is a 25yr old who played in 13 games before coming here. Boogie Basham is a 26yr old who played in 23 games before coming here Nick McCloud is a 25yr old who played 2 games for Cincy before coming here Lenny Williams came here at the height of his career and is still 1 of the best at his position. I'm not sure how youre defining the word "washed up". Most people usually reserve it for people who have been around a while and their play fell off over time, their career or success has ended Washed up, worthless, well below average, however you want to phrase it. I understand there were cap restraints, partly from DG doing the same thing, but c’mon. How about this, scrubs? *and technically, being that the average length of an NFL players career is ~3.5 years, based on those ages they probably were washed up It was your words, not mine, you used the term "washed up". The guys other than Beasley, who actually is washed up, never really had experienced much of their NFL careers. At this point they're depth players, not "washed up". And Leonard Williams was/is an exceptional player
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 18:50:13 GMT -5
Washed up, worthless, well below average, however you want to phrase it. I understand there were cap restraints, partly from DG doing the same thing, but c’mon. How about this, scrubs? *and technically, being that the average length of an NFL players career is ~3.5 years, based on those ages they probably were washed up It was your words, not mine, you used the term "washed up". The guys other than Beasley, who actually is washed up, never really had experienced much of their NFL careers. At this point they're depth players, not "washed up". And Leonard Williams was/is an exceptional player Fine. Scrubs. I’m not going to get into an internet pissing contest over “washed up” vs “scrubs” because it doesn’t change my point. Depth players? Are they even that? I guess maybe by the Giants standards. *BTW, Schoen was the assistant GM when the Bills drafted Boogie in the 2nd round. More cause for concern IMO depending on how involved Schoen was in making those decisions.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 4, 2024 19:26:21 GMT -5
Agreed.. Who wants a stud at quarterback just hitting his prime.. If the Bills were to ever go full retard and decided to trade their most valuable asset. We would not only run to Buffalo to pick him up.. We would give up the farm.. the barn.. and both of our arms. And due to his contract we would still have no one to block for him, no one for him to throw to, no defense…we have way too many holes to fill to take on a QB in his prime. But yeah, that would be cool to see him struggle for a a few years like he did before they got Diggs who they just traded. Of course you loved the Waller trade so this doesn’t surprise me. What a weak ass arguement.. Every quarterback starved team would move mountains to get an elite player scratching the surface of his ceiling. Allen’s extension in ‘21 gave the Bills breathing room to sign players like Von Miller and Stefon Diggs. And still keep their core intact as they dole out major coin to Ed Oliver. They had a three year window that just slammed shut on them.. His contract in no shape or form prevented them from competing to build a formidable roster. If Joe Schoen could not make this hypothetical and comical trade work.. He should be fired from a cannon aimed at the sun..
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 19:44:38 GMT -5
And due to his contract we would still have no one to block for him, no one for him to throw to, no defense…we have way too many holes to fill to take on a QB in his prime. But yeah, that would be cool to see him struggle for a a few years like he did before they got Diggs who they just traded. Of course you loved the Waller trade so this doesn’t surprise me. What a weak ass arguement.. Every quarterback starved team would move mountains to get an elite player scratching the surface of his ceiling. Allen’s extension in ‘21 gave the Bills breathing room to sign players like Von Miller and Stefon Diggs. And still keep their core intact as they dole out major coin to Ed Oliver. They had a three year window that just slammed shut on them.. His contract in no shape or form prevented them from competing to build a formidable roster. If Joe Schoen could not make this hypothetical and comical trade work.. He should be fired from a cannon aimed at the sun.. Yeah, exactly, and why did that 3 year window slam shut on them? I’m sorry, maybe I missed the part where we’ll be getting Allen on a rookie contract or the Bills will be paying the remainder of his salary.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 4, 2024 19:57:02 GMT -5
It makes sense. Allen is expensive and lost his two WRs. You trade for our 6th pick and can get a QB in the deepest QB class ever, resetting that rookie salary window in the process.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 4, 2024 20:49:06 GMT -5
It makes sense. Allen is expensive and lost his two WRs. You trade for our 6th pick and can get a QB in the deepest QB class ever, resetting that rookie salary window in the process. As to your 2nd sentence, isn’t that what we should be doing this year or next? IMO, we have way too many holes to fill to pay a top QB and expect them to have much success. Dallas is about to run into this problem with Dak. If we already had a loaded roster, I could see this trade making sense for us but we don’t have shit on either side of the ball and on top of that, we’ve seen what Allen did without Diggs and it wasn’t much. This isn’t a Rams Stafford type situation.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 5, 2024 5:51:48 GMT -5
What a weak ass arguement.. Every quarterback starved team would move mountains to get an elite player scratching the surface of his ceiling. Allen’s extension in ‘21 gave the Bills breathing room to sign players like Von Miller and Stefon Diggs. And still keep their core intact as they dole out major coin to Ed Oliver. They had a three year window that just slammed shut on them.. His contract in no shape or form prevented them from competing to build a formidable roster. If Joe Schoen could not make this hypothetical and comical trade work.. He should be fired from a cannon aimed at the sun.. Yeah, exactly, and why did that 3 year window slam shut on them? I’m sorry, maybe I missed the part where we’ll be getting Allen on a rookie contract or the Bills will be paying the remainder of his salary. Once you pay the quarterback.. You’re on the clock. Results talk.. bullshit walks. And Buffalo has been talking the ears off a deaf crowd. Fifty eight wins since the ‘19 season. Second most to only the big red machine. And nothing to show for it. When it was time to cash in.. their check bounced. Of course you missed the part about a rookie contract.. It was never said.
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Post by mendy on Apr 5, 2024 6:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Apr 5, 2024 6:42:45 GMT -5
any GM who would deal a QB like Allen should be fired.
You NEVER let a QB like Allen go. You can have a fire sale but you keep the franchise QB.
Sucks for Allen but that's life in the NFL.
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