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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2024 11:31:07 GMT -5
Thanks for legitimizing the claims made against John Mara. He sure is horrible. Not only that. He is a security risk, should be arrested and tried in the court of Giants fandom, then found GUILTY!! I’m sure John will represent himself.. He got a law degree at Fordham.. Where he practiced for years at the law firm of Haagen and Dazs.
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Post by TEM on Apr 15, 2024 11:33:13 GMT -5
He owns the team. He can do what he wants. That is completely true, it also means he owns the horrible results over the last 13 years. All CEOs (owners) are directly responsible for all outcomes good or bad.
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Post by jimc on Apr 15, 2024 12:04:13 GMT -5
Great. Mara owns the team and can do what he wants, we all get that but it doesn’t mean we can’t give our opinions. Guess what, Schoen is the GM and can draft anyone he wants so why even bother discussing the draft, we have no control. Daboll is the HC and can hire or fire who he wants, so lets not talk about that either. Daboll may or may not call the plays, we have no control, so stop complaining. Jones may miss 5 wide open receivers in one game but that’s out of our control and there’s nothing we can do about so why both arguing whether he should be the QB or not. Shut down the site, all of this is pointless. Time to move on fellas and find something better to do with your time. The site should be more than a bitching site.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 15, 2024 12:48:05 GMT -5
He has the say. He can delegate some of that power if he chooses to. He can take it back at any time and dictate the direction he wants it to be, His team, his money, his say. If he wants to shout from the top of a mountain what the team's plans are for the draft. That is all his. That is fact with any business owner. Including shareholders of a corporation. (they have the final say) Does that clarify it? Not a person on earth would dispute that. It's a given. Owners have the freedom to do whatever they want. That is not, and has never been an issue. Has anyone ever suggested that's not true? The question is his behavior and whether or not he's harming the team and it's chances to win football games. The question is whether or not his ego is getting in the way of the success of our beloved team. Dave Gettleman had the right to draft Saquan Barkley and Daniel Jones. Are you suggesting that since he was given that power by the owner his decisions are never to be questioned? I have never heard anyone who's ever worked for or covered the Giants suggest that John Mara meddles in the personnel decisions made by this team and yet he's been accused of doing just that by the fans for years.
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 13:57:32 GMT -5
He owns the team. He can do what he wants. Technically He is the head of a Conglomerate that owns 50% of the Giants. But yes they can do whatever they want and the fans will continue to cry about it.
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 13:59:35 GMT -5
That is completely true, it also means he owns the horrible results over the last 13 years. All CEOs (owners) are directly responsible for all outcomes good or bad. When has he not Owned up ?
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 14:03:45 GMT -5
Not a person on earth would dispute that. It's a given. Owners have the freedom to do whatever they want. That is not, and has never been an issue. Has anyone ever suggested that's not true? The question is his behavior and whether or not he's harming the team and it's chances to win football games. The question is whether or not his ego is getting in the way of the success of our beloved team. Dave Gettleman had the right to draft Saquan Barkley and Daniel Jones. Are you suggesting that since he was given that power by the owner his decisions are never to be questioned? I have never heard anyone who's ever worked for or covered the Giants suggest that John Mara meddles in the personnel decisions made by this team and yet he's been accused of doing just that by the fans for years.
Bingo. the fans are the ignorant ones. Fans of all teams know nothing about what goes on or the actual running of a team.
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Post by TEM on Apr 15, 2024 14:07:21 GMT -5
All CEOs (owners) are directly responsible for all outcomes good or bad. When has he not Owned up ? It is good to be the king. You can choose your scape goat.
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 14:10:17 GMT -5
When has he not Owned up ? It is good to be the king. You can choose your scape goat. ............only if there needs to be one.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 15, 2024 14:16:25 GMT -5
Not only that. He is a security risk, should be arrested and tried in the court of Giants fandom, then found GUILTY!! I’m sure John will represent himself.. He got a law degree at Fordham.. Where he practiced for years at the law firm of Haagen and Dazs. that is just cold...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 15, 2024 14:20:51 GMT -5
Not at all but to say things that they don't know to be true isn't right. He made mistakes he will admit to them and has it's just not the stuff fans and talking heads point to. you really believe all these coaches for 12 seasons couldn’t teach an OL to block despite so many calling for the coaches heads? You think that’s true? nobody is off limits. Who said he is off limits but cooked silly stories i guess are part of failure.
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Post by TEM on Apr 15, 2024 14:25:51 GMT -5
He owns the team. He can do what he wants. Technically He is the head of a Conglomerate that owns 50% of the Giants. But yes they can do whatever they want and the fans will continue to cry about it. They must be happy with him. Or they would remove him. This the problem I have with fans. And Morehead's last reply to me is an excellent example. And you touched on it with your reply. The NFL as an organization plays a season to conclude with a championship game to crown the best team of the season. A fantastic marketing contract with the fans. We'll give entertainment that we think most will enjoy. The fans on the other hand will support that entertainment with watching games, going to games, buying NFL related products and services..... Unwritten contract between the league and the fans. Owners on the other hand conduct a season with different intentions. Yeah, they want to win and flash their ring to the other 31 owners. But their main goal is bank. Their goal is money. I have no problem with that. I am a capitalist. Is Mara hurting the team (franchise) Not in any way. Why???? The Giants make a lot of money with him at the helm. When you stop looking from the fan's perspective. Look at it from shareholder's and or owners' point of view. The circumstances that are surrounding the perceived controversy evaporate.
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Post by Modog on Apr 15, 2024 14:44:47 GMT -5
Giving up on Dan Jones means he made a mistake in 2019 when he drafted him and again in 2023 when he chose to resign him. Rich people don't like to admit their mistakes. Unfortunately for us, he can make mistakes time and again and will not suffer any consequences. He is co-owner. Obviously he wants the Giants to be good, but his pockets get full regardless.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2024 15:05:43 GMT -5
LMAO "Giants fans"....
Anyone that visits this site knows that we don't agree on anything, certainly not taking a QB in the first and not which QB that would be. According to the recent poll here staying at 6 and taking a WR is what most of us want though.
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 15:25:56 GMT -5
Giving up on Dan Jones means he made a mistake in 2019 when he drafted him and again in 2023 when he chose to resign him. Rich people don't like to admit their mistakes. Unfortunately for us, he can make mistakes time and again and will not suffer any consequences. He is co-owner. Obviously he wants the Giants to be good, but his pockets get full regardless. No it doesn't , again you assume it was John Mara and again your assumption is wrong. You mention he is a rich person, that seems to bother you, you give the impression your jealous of his money and not concerned about the team. You never mention Tisch who alone owns 50% and is a Billionaire a few times over all by himself.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 15, 2024 15:31:51 GMT -5
you really believe all these coaches for 12 seasons couldn’t teach an OL to block despite so many calling for the coaches heads? You think that’s true? nobody is off limits. Who said he is off limits but cooked silly stories i guess are part of failure. my take, all these OL, position coaches, etc who the fans killed and called for their heads weren’t cooked silly stories? You’re telling me the players were actually good and it was all coaching? Kill the coaches but don’t touch the owner? I think not
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Post by Nite on Apr 15, 2024 16:04:23 GMT -5
I'm getting serious Stockholm Syndrome vibes here ...
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Post by Modog on Apr 15, 2024 16:05:28 GMT -5
Giving up on Dan Jones means he made a mistake in 2019 when he drafted him and again in 2023 when he chose to resign him. Rich people don't like to admit their mistakes. Unfortunately for us, he can make mistakes time and again and will not suffer any consequences. He is co-owner. Obviously he wants the Giants to be good, but his pockets get full regardless. No it doesn't , again you assume it was John Mara and again your assumption is wrong. You mention he is a rich person, that seems to bother you, you give the impression your jealous of his money and not concerned about the team. You never mention Tisch who alone owns 50% and is a Billionaire a few times over all by himself. Am I jealous of Mara being rich? Sure, I wish I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth while inheriting a sports franchise. Frankly, I don't care how much money he has, good on him. I just wish he would stop meddeling. His own statements and actions indicate he is overly biased to a fault in the case of Dan Jones.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 15, 2024 16:06:17 GMT -5
LMAO "Giants fans".... Anyone that visits this site knows that we don't agree on anything, certainly not taking a QB in the first and not which QB that would be. According to the recent poll here staying at 6 and taking a WR is what most of us want though. 🇮🇹 no issues here with my flag looking nicer than yours
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Post by vinnie on Apr 15, 2024 16:27:33 GMT -5
Great. Mara owns the team and can do what he wants, we all get that but it doesn’t mean we can’t give our opinions. Guess what, Schoen is the GM and can draft anyone he wants so why even bother discussing the draft, we have no control. Daboll is the HC and can hire or fire who he wants, so lets not talk about that either. Daboll may or may not call the plays, we have no control, so stop complaining. Jones may miss 5 wide open receivers in one game but that’s out of our control and there’s nothing we can do about so why both arguing whether he should be the QB or not. Shut down the site, all of this is pointless. Time to move on fellas and find something better to do with your time. The site should be more than a bitching site. Kinda hard not to be based on the past 10 years.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 15, 2024 16:49:31 GMT -5
You've said this before. What's your point? He has the say. He can delegate some of that power if he chooses to. He can take it back at any time and dictate the direction he wants it to be, His team, his money, his say. If he wants to shout from the top of a mountain what the team's plans are for the draft. That is all his. That is fact with any business owner. Including shareholders of a corporation. (they have the final say) Does that clarify it? Then the media should be able to write articles, mocking him for being a football moron. After over a decade of suckage, seems he'd be smart enough to realize he's part of, if not "THE", the problem. Yes, he can stay involved, but the outside voices are only going to get louder...and rightfully so.
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Post by Nite on Apr 15, 2024 17:00:35 GMT -5
I’m sure John will represent himself.. He got a law degree at Fordham.. Where he practiced for years at the law firm of Haagen and Dazs. that is just cold...
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Post by TEM on Apr 15, 2024 17:10:41 GMT -5
He has the say. He can delegate some of that power if he chooses to. He can take it back at any time and dictate the direction he wants it to be, His team, his money, his say. If he wants to shout from the top of a mountain what the team's plans are for the draft. That is all his. That is fact with any business owner. Including shareholders of a corporation. (they have the final say) Does that clarify it? Then the media should be able to write articles, mocking him for being a football moron. After over a decade of suckage, seems he'd be smart enough to realize he's part of, if not "THE", the problem. Yes, he can stay involved, but the outside voices are only going to get louder...and rightfully so. So, you point is? You think he cares?
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 15, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
Then the media should be able to write articles, mocking him for being a football moron. After over a decade of suckage, seems he'd be smart enough to realize he's part of, if not "THE", the problem. Yes, he can stay involved, but the outside voices are only going to get louder...and rightfully so. So, you point is? You think he cares? Actually, I do. He'd shut up and never be seen if he didn't.
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Post by TEM on Apr 15, 2024 17:35:46 GMT -5
So, you point is? You think he cares? Actually, I do. He'd shut up and never be seen if he didn't. I can say with all certainty. He could care less what some talking head or whining fans have to say or cry about. He knows at the end of the day. He is making money.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2024 17:36:41 GMT -5
Not a person on earth would dispute that. It's a given. Owners have the freedom to do whatever they want. That is not, and has never been an issue. Has anyone ever suggested that's not true? The question is his behavior and whether or not he's harming the team and it's chances to win football games. The question is whether or not his ego is getting in the way of the success of our beloved team. Dave Gettleman had the right to draft Saquan Barkley and Daniel Jones. Are you suggesting that since he was given that power by the owner his decisions are never to be questioned? I have never heard anyone who's ever worked for or covered the Giants suggest that John Mara meddles in the personnel decisions made by this team and yet he's been accused of doing just that by the fans for years.
He has said himself that he needed to approve the drafting of Daniel Jones and then the benching of Eli Manning.
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Post by jimc on Apr 15, 2024 17:42:03 GMT -5
He has the say. He can delegate some of that power if he chooses to. He can take it back at any time and dictate the direction he wants it to be, His team, his money, his say. If he wants to shout from the top of a mountain what the team's plans are for the draft. That is all his. That is fact with any business owner. Including shareholders of a corporation. (they have the final say) Does that clarify it? Then the media should be able to write articles, mocking him for being a football moron. After over a decade of suckage, seems he'd be smart enough to realize he's part of, if not "THE", the problem. Yes, he can stay involved, but the outside voices are only going to get louder...and
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Post by mendy on Apr 15, 2024 18:06:52 GMT -5
No it doesn't , again you assume it was John Mara and again your assumption is wrong. You mention he is a rich person, that seems to bother you, you give the impression your jealous of his money and not concerned about the team. You never mention Tisch who alone owns 50% and is a Billionaire a few times over all by himself. Am I jealous of Mara being rich? Sure, I wish I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth while inheriting a sports franchise. Frankly, I don't care how much money he has, good on him. I just wish he would stop meddeling. His own statements and actions indicate he is overly biased to a fault in the case of Dan Jones. It has been proven this isn't true yet you claim it as fact with no proof. It is your assuming , nothing more.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 15, 2024 20:04:18 GMT -5
I have never heard anyone who's ever worked for or covered the Giants suggest that John Mara meddles in the personnel decisions made by this team and yet he's been accused of doing just that by the fans for years.
He has said himself that he needed to approve the drafting of Daniel Jones and then the benching of Eli Manning.
It only makes sense that John would be a part of major decisions like that of quarterback, a big-name player, and someone with some serious baggage.
The Eli benching is a perfect example of the Giants front office. John approached his GM to question if it was time to see Geno and Davis under center. Given the circumstances that seems very reasonable no? What wasn't reasonable was the way the benching was handled.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2024 21:02:25 GMT -5
He has said himself that he needed to approve the drafting of Daniel Jones and then the benching of Eli Manning.
It only makes sense that John would be a part of major decisions like that of quarterback, a big-name player, and someone with some serious baggage.
The Eli benching is a perfect example of the Giants front office. John approached his GM to question if it was time to see Geno and Davis under center. Given the circumstances that seems very reasonable no? What wasn't reasonable was the way the benching was handled.
How are we describing...."meddling"?
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