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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 15, 2024 21:03:40 GMT -5
Who said he is off limits but cooked silly stories i guess are part of failure. my take, all these OL, position coaches, etc who the fans killed and called for their heads weren’t cooked silly stories? You’re telling me the players were actually good and it was all coaching? Kill the coaches but don’t touch the owner? I think not I always said this Flaherty got fired by Reese through TC because Ereck Flowers was whining and not responding to honest hard coaching Mike Solari was a good OL Coach also.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 15, 2024 21:19:46 GMT -5
It only makes sense that John would be a part of major decisions like that of quarterback, a big-name player, and someone with some serious baggage.
The Eli benching is a perfect example of the Giants front office. John approached his GM to question if it was time to see Geno and Davis under center. Given the circumstances that seems very reasonable no? What wasn't reasonable was the way the benching was handled.
How are we describing...."meddling"? Solely affecting player personnel decisions to the detriment of the team.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 15, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -5
The article just talks about how Mara said that he'd be okay with his GM and head coach selecting a QB...there is no new information, it's the old information that is the opposite of what the title of the article implies.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 15, 2024 21:30:44 GMT -5
Actually, I do. He'd shut up and never be seen if he didn't. I can say with all certainty. He could care less what some talking head or whining fans have to say or cry about. He knows at the end of the day. He is making money. He doesn't care, but has multiple press conferences every year, to reassure fans how UNinvolved he is in the football operations. Seems to me, he's involved enough to take credit for any successes, but tries to claim he stays far enough away to pass the blame on failures. He is making money, I agree with that!
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2024 22:09:12 GMT -5
How are we describing...."meddling"? Solely affecting player personnel decisions to the detriment of the team. That is not how I understand that word. When he includes himself in the decision making process...he is meddling. And in the last 13 years...that has been a detriment to the success of the team. He is NOT a football expert. Unfortunately, he seems to fancy himself as one. Leave the football decisions to the experts.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 16, 2024 0:28:03 GMT -5
Solely affecting player personnel decisions to the detriment of the team. That is not how I understand that word. When he includes himself in the decision making process...he is meddling. And in the last 13 years...that has been a detriment to the success of the team. He is NOT a football expert. Unfortunately, he seems to fancy himself as one. Leave the football decisions to the experts. This! Problem is...he's the one hiring HIS "experts." Then those "experts" hire the rest of the staff. Not going to well, so far.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 16, 2024 4:38:10 GMT -5
We just gonna ignore the fact that no chair is safe around this man? Even his temper tantrums look weak and soft
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Post by jaymas on Apr 16, 2024 6:02:43 GMT -5
Not at all but to say things that they don't know to be true isn't right. He made mistakes he will admit to them and has it's just not the stuff fans and talking heads point to. Accountability should start at the top. That's ok. But there are fans who will never stop believing Mara is telling the GM's what to do. But conveniently didn't tell them what to do when we were good.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 16, 2024 6:51:02 GMT -5
Solely affecting player personnel decisions to the detriment of the team. That is not how I understand that word. When he includes himself in the decision making process...he is meddling. And in the last 13 years...that has been a detriment to the success of the team. He is NOT a football expert. Unfortunately, he seems to fancy himself as one. Leave the football decisions to the experts. We all know that higher ups personnel will make decisions that they feel their boss would also desire, and they can certainly gain clues from conversations with them or other personnel. And wouldn't then their job security be better than those who completely leave that out of their processes, especially if the direction goes poorly? Is that really meddling by the owner, or pandering that is common in the business world?
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 7:00:33 GMT -5
The article just talks about how Mara said that he'd be okay with his GM and head coach selecting a QB...there is no new information, it's the old information that is the opposite of what the title of the article implies. Just the same crap to stir up the malcontents. John Mara was born into the business of the NFL, he'll forget more then any of us will ever know about the Giants and running that team. Big problem is fans think an NFL franchise runs like any other type business and it doesn't , fans are ignorant (not a shot just fact) of the actual running's of an NFL Franchise. Yes John Mara is an expert..........compared to any of us, thing is he doesn't consider himself one or he would be more like Jerry Jones who's team hasn't seen a Super Bowl since 1995. Is he God , does he know all, .hell no , he like anyone else makes a bad call but fans again ignore he is only 50% no one ever bitch's about Steve Tisch, well folks he has just much blame as John Mara does...........but you never hear it .
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 16, 2024 8:22:34 GMT -5
The article just talks about how Mara said that he'd be okay with his GM and head coach selecting a QB...there is no new information, it's the old information that is the opposite of what the title of the article implies. Just the same crap to stir up the malcontents. John Mara was born into the business of the NFL, he'll forget more then any of us will ever know about the Giants and running that team. Big problem is fans think an NFL franchise runs like any other type business and it doesn't , fans are ignorant (not a shot just fact) of the actual running's of an NFL Franchise. Yes John Mara is an expert....... . Owning an NFL or professional team is so difficult the majority of owners view the team as a hobby or sidekick to their actual business’.
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 13:30:22 GMT -5
Just the same crap to stir up the malcontents. John Mara was born into the business of the NFL, he'll forget more then any of us will ever know about the Giants and running that team. Big problem is fans think an NFL franchise runs like any other type business and it doesn't , fans are ignorant (not a shot just fact) of the actual running's of an NFL Franchise. Yes John Mara is an expert....... . Owning an NFL or professional team is so difficult the majority of owners view the team as a hobby or sidekick to their actual business’. Exactly what makes him different, it's his livelihood.
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Post by Modog on Apr 16, 2024 13:32:32 GMT -5
Owning an NFL or professional team is so difficult the majority of owners view the team as a hobby or sidekick to their actual business’. Exactly what makes him different, it's his livelihood. He's been doing a terrible job since 2012
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 13:37:30 GMT -5
Exactly what makes him different, it's his livelihood. He's been doing a terrible job since 2012 Jerry Jones hasn't seen a super bowl since 1995, just sayin.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 16, 2024 14:04:08 GMT -5
you paying guys like Schoen and Daboll a lot of money to do a job so let them do it
I think a lot of this Mara stuff is completely over-exaggerated but then as the owner, he does have every right to have demands and final say
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 16, 2024 14:04:57 GMT -5
Owning an NFL or professional team is so difficult the majority of owners view the team as a hobby or sidekick to their actual business’. Exactly what makes him different, it's his livelihood. that doesn’t make it more difficult than a hobby is the point.
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 14:09:59 GMT -5
Exactly what makes him different, it's his livelihood. that doesn’t make it more difficult than a hobby is the point. Only to those who know nothing about it.
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Post by Modog on Apr 16, 2024 14:57:07 GMT -5
He's been doing a terrible job since 2012 Jerry Jones hasn't seen a super bowl since 1995, just sayin. Your right, but aleast the cowboys are a relatively competitive team every year. They win 10 games every season. Their not bottom dwellers like Giants have been
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 16, 2024 15:53:18 GMT -5
that doesn’t make it more difficult than a hobby is the point. Only to those who know nothing about it. Like yourself.
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 18:52:34 GMT -5
Jerry Jones hasn't seen a super bowl since 1995, just sayin. Your right, but aleast the cowboys are a relatively competitive team every year. They win 10 games every season. Their not bottom dwellers like Giants have been Giants have been to 3 super bowls and won 2 of them since the last time Jerry Jones sniffed a super bowl, I'll take the Giants.
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Post by mendy on Apr 16, 2024 18:54:01 GMT -5
Only to those who know nothing about it. Like yourself. You made the claim about it being a hobby, not me.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 16, 2024 19:01:23 GMT -5
Its a family business he is going to have a say.
geeze....
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 16, 2024 21:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by Martin on Apr 16, 2024 21:57:53 GMT -5
you paying guys like Schoen and Daboll a lot of money to do a job so let them do it I think a lot of this Mara stuff is completely over-exaggerated but then as the owner, he does have every right to have demands and final sayAbsolutely but he also is not above criticism if he is part of the decision making directly or indirectly. Let Schoen and Daboll try to right the ship if they can't then you have to move on.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 18, 2024 12:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks for legitimizing the claims made against John Mara. He sure is horrible. It is silly lol Mara loved Barkley and OBJ are either here no he loves jones but the green light is on for a QB which they more than likely won't draft in the first because there are only 3 worth top 10 consideration unless they want go the Jones route 2.0. Mara has paid out millions for a state of the art draft room and that if Daboll goes onto his computer he can punch up Malek Nabers and have every thing from film to his 40 his weight hight and GPS info from game play, the owner has done everything to step away from the old way of doing things he doesn't lie when he saw a Kerry Collin get ditched for Eli in the draft Mara made mistakes yes but it was not with the roster it was who hired . Did you mean Kurt Warner?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 18, 2024 16:17:56 GMT -5
It is silly lol Mara loved Barkley and OBJ are either here no he loves jones but the green light is on for a QB which they more than likely won't draft in the first because there are only 3 worth top 10 consideration unless they want go the Jones route 2.0. Mara has paid out millions for a state of the art draft room and that if Daboll goes onto his computer he can punch up Malek Nabers and have every thing from film to his 40 his weight hight and GPS info from game play, the owner has done everything to step away from the old way of doing things he doesn't lie when he saw a Kerry Collin get ditched for Eli in the draft Mara made mistakes yes but it was not with the roster it was who hired . Did you mean Kurt Warner? They dumped Kerry for Eli lol Kurt still had talent but he was a rental tutor fro the young buck .
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