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Post by imgrate on May 22, 2024 5:50:21 GMT -5
Nope, wouldve let mayfield walk, too, or tag/ trade. There’s two high end free agents that we otherwise could have signed last offseason. I’ll just use our own players for sake of argument… with DJ’s cap hits, we could have extended McKinney and Saquon (not that they are specifically who I would have paid, but to show you the quality of player) last offseason and also added Orlando Brown. That’s on top of all the dudes you mentioned. Or. We could have Daniel Jones. Ummm no to McKinney and Barkley. Those are two positions you continually refresh with rookie contracts. “Could have also added Orlando Brown” includes the caveat that he would want to sign here. It’s not as simple as saying, “well there’s a FA we would love to have, therefore he would have signed here.” He signed with a perennial contender for a reason. And with regards to Mayfield: you have a QB who just performed for your team, was part of getting to the playoffs, wins a playoff game… and you just let him walk? Ok. Then what? Sign Trevor Seimian to be your starter the ensuing season? Or Darnold, Brissett, Trubisky? You eventually draft a guy. As for the players that you could have signed, I listed those guys to illustrate the quality of player lost out on, Orlando Brown was the only guy I truly wanted, maybe McKinney as well. 18mill 45mill and 22mill is money that could/would have been spent elsewhere or rolled into future years. Just because we signed/extended a bunch of guys doesnt mean that there’s other guys that would have helped us even more. Or doesnt mean that we wouldnt have signed higher quality players than the ones we did (think guys like hunt instead of runyan). Point being - the money doesnt vanish, and is and WAS always certainly going to be misallocated by signing DJ. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 9:04:07 GMT -5
Ummm no to McKinney and Barkley. Those are two positions you continually refresh with rookie contracts. “Could have also added Orlando Brown” includes the caveat that he would want to sign here. It’s not as simple as saying, “well there’s a FA we would love to have, therefore he would have signed here.” He signed with a perennial contender for a reason. And with regards to Mayfield: you have a QB who just performed for your team, was part of getting to the playoffs, wins a playoff game… and you just let him walk? Ok. Then what? Sign Trevor Seimian to be your starter the ensuing season? Or Darnold, Brissett, Trubisky? You eventually draft a guy. Ah yes. It’s just as simple and easy as that. Draft the replacement QB at 24th. No problem. Got it. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 22, 2024 9:28:22 GMT -5
They're not stupid. It's a two year deal. What other option was there? Mitch Trubisky? Mike White? Unfortunately it didn't work out because Jones was ****ing deplorable to start the season then blew his knew out. Hang on. According to what I’ve been hearing, the Giants built themselves a one trick pony that they then doubled down at $80 million over two years or $105 over 3 if he gets hurt. And we all knew his injury history prior to 2023. So is that the excuse now? The Giants had no other choice? Here a brand new regime who’s taken over a perennial loser and they had no other options? Is that what we’re going with? In hind signs they should have signed or let Barkley walk, tagged Jones then when 2023 happened they would have been in the right 1 year at big money to find out if he could do it again and improve his game. Not sure if that the right way to do it but in hind sight it looks pretty good because the injuries and offensive in ineptitude would have all still happened they would of had a choice with Jones let him walk sign him to a cheap backup type deal draft or pay one of the vets out there. These are ought decisions it is up to the GM to be looking forward at every angle I think Schoen learned a hard and valuable lesson here need to trust what you saw it in year 5 where he refused whole shots and field side throws for the most part. Schoen should have seen what fan don't that his coach coached around those issues my thought is they know he has the arm to challenge the whole field and sent him off in the offseason to work on it he came back still gun shy. 4years of tape and count 5 also to say this guy has been struggling with same things for years really what are the chances he is gonna suddenly shake that stuff and improve, sad Jones has the physical talent and is tough enough to handle playing in NY and will play through all the pain in the world he just can't get over the hump of the fear of turning the ball over with some of the harder must have throws NFL QBs have to make. |
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Post by bluebuddha on May 22, 2024 12:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by Speedman on May 22, 2024 13:45:47 GMT -5
What a stupid ranking. QB’s ranked that haven’t played a down in the nfl based on their draft position.
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 13:47:44 GMT -5
phuck them.
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 13:48:42 GMT -5
What a stupid ranking. QB’s ranked that haven’t played a down in the nfl based on their draft position. Same stupidity as before |
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Post by Rangers13 on May 22, 2024 18:44:56 GMT -5
The rookies ranked ahead will throw some into a tantrum yet without the rookies he’s flirting with 25th 👍 Woot |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:18:13 GMT -5
What a stupid ranking. QB’s ranked that haven’t played a down in the nfl based on their draft position. Same stupidity as before So are we now thinking rookie starters couldn't average 1 passing TD per game? |
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Post by vinnie on May 22, 2024 19:19:38 GMT -5
Awwwwwe….poor Red, I forgot, you’ve already been called out and quoted contradicting yourself on your feelings about PFF. To refresh your memory, you used them to support one of your ignorant arguments and then shortly after you talked shit about them when you didn’t agree with a separate ignorant argument of yours. You must be really confused and hurt today after what they said about your love obsession with your boy DJ. |
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 19:19:47 GMT -5
So are we now thinking Caleb Williams as a rookie couldn't average 1 passing TD per game? If you think DJs 2022 was legendary. I am willing to bet Caleb produces better than that. We are thinking he is a GD rookie who has taken a single snap in the NFL. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:21:39 GMT -5
So are we now thinking Caleb Williams as a rookie couldn't average 1 passing TD per game? If you think DJs 2022 was legendary. I am willing to bet Caleb produces better than that. We are thinking he is a GD rookie who has taken a single snap in the NFL. Says more about DJ than these prospects. DJs production is so comically bad we think he sets a high floor, or something. 15 passing TDs in 2022, look out. We can extrapolate Tommy Devitto 2023s season out and you also get 15 TDs. |
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Post by DJones19 on May 22, 2024 19:22:09 GMT -5
He's right, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson have both shown they are better than Jones, haha
I'm waiting on Chris Simm's ranks so far he's ranked up to 26th and Jones hasn't appeared yet.
Jones was flirting with top 10 after the playoff win in 2022 at #11 overall, but he obviously be lower than that this year.
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Post by vinnie on May 22, 2024 19:23:24 GMT -5
I’ll give most rookies the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. I’m sure some will be better than DJ, and others not quite as bad as DJ, but we’ve already seen what the 6 year vet has done, actually hasn’t done, so I have no problem with people putting rookies ahead of him.
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 19:23:30 GMT -5
Awwwwwe….poor Red, I forgot, you’ve already been called out and quoted contradicting yourself on your feelings about PFF. To refresh your memory, you used them to support one of your ignorant arguments and then shortly after you talked shit about them when you didn’t agree with a separate ignorant argument of yours. You must be really confused and hurt today after what they said about your love obsession with your boy DJ. . ? |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:24:29 GMT -5
He's right, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson have both shown they are better than Jones, haha I'm waiting on Chris Simm's ranks so far he's ranked up to 26th and Jones hasn't appeared yet. Jones was flirting with top 10 after the playoff win in 2022 at #11 overall, but he obviously be lower than that this year. Jones needs to prove he's better than 2023 Devitto before we look outside the building. One read and run ended last year. Your man needs to come up with a counter or he's cooked |
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 19:25:17 GMT -5
He's right, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson have both shown they are better than Jones, haha I'm waiting on Chris Simm's ranks so far he's ranked up to 26th and Jones hasn't appeared yet. Jones was flirting with top 10 after the playoff win in 2022 at #11 overall, but he obviously be lower than that this year. Jones needs to prove he's better than 2023 Devitto before we look outside the building. One read and run ended last year. Your man needs to come up with a counter or he's cooked Horseshit. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:26:33 GMT -5
So are we now thinking Caleb Williams as a rookie couldn't average 1 passing TD per game? If you think DJs 2022 was legendary. I am willing to bet Caleb produces better than that. We are thinking he is a GD rookie who has taken a single snap in the NFL. That didn’t answer the question at all. Just deflection. Like usual. |
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Post by DJones19 on May 22, 2024 19:26:51 GMT -5
PFF says Lawrence is borderline elite...interesting.
Statistically he's the same as Jones with a 4 INT playoff game.
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:27:10 GMT -5
Jones needs to prove he's better than 2023 Devitto before we look outside the building. One read and run ended last year. Your man needs to come up with a counter or he's cooked Horseshit. Solid rebuttal replete with NFL centric data and opinion. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:27:26 GMT -5
Jones needs to prove he's better than 2023 Devitto before we look outside the building. One read and run ended last year. Your man needs to come up with a counter or he's cooked Horseshit. DJs ability to look off of his first read? Horseshit? Yep. Finally got something right Red, well done |
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Post by mendy on May 22, 2024 19:29:05 GMT -5
DJs ability to look off of his first read? Horseshit? Yep. Finally got something right Red, well done LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:31:51 GMT -5
DJs ability to look off of his first read? Horseshit? Yep. Finally got something right Red, well done LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? Not sure you thought that one through. However, since when has thinking been a priority for you? Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. You should take some notes. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:33:03 GMT -5
PFF says Lawrence is borderline elite...interesting. False. Lawrence’s PFF grade is 79. PFF’s grading scale: 100-90 Elite. 89-85 Pro Bowler. 84-70 Starter. 69-60 Backup. No he’s not. Jones has 10 more games played and Lawrence has equal or better cumulative stats. Great attempt at coming to Jones’ rescue. The only problem is you used emotions instead of actual facts and data. I’m sure you’ll try again though. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:33:54 GMT -5
DJs ability to look off of his first read? Horseshit? Yep. Finally got something right Red, well done LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. Papa was right about you. Some fans can’t handle objectivity about Jones. So they just resort to snowflake crying. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:34:40 GMT -5
LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? Not sure you thought that one through. However, since when has thinking been a priority for you? Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. You should take some notes. Mendy/Miggs is the saddest type of “fan.” And an even sadder forum member. |
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Post by jppt1974 on May 22, 2024 19:35:43 GMT -5
Just hope DJ can and will remain healthy and consistent. Question is now with Barkley to rival Eagles, and trying to now stay and remain healthy and consistent.
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:36:19 GMT -5
DJs ability to look off of his first read? Horseshit? Yep. Finally got something right Red, well done LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. I understand, Banks and Poppa called fans like you and others out and hurt your feelings, buck up little guy it'll be fine. Says the guy who can't go three hours without hyperventilating over the fact someone said something mean about Jones. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:39:33 GMT -5
Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? Not sure you thought that one through. However, since when has thinking been a priority for you? Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. You should take some notes. Mendy/Miggs is the saddest type of “fan.” And an even sadder forum member. You'll never see them critique a thing the FO does. Its a preconceived mindset. I find it fascinating.. I'm all for giving props to players that do well. The Giants have a lot of them, they just don't play QB |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 22, 2024 19:41:40 GMT -5
Mendy/Miggs is the saddest type of “fan.” And an even sadder forum member. You'll never see them critique a thing the FO Jones does. Its a preconceived mindset. I find it fascinating.. I'm all for giving props to players that do well. The Giants have a lot of them, they just don't play QB FIFY |
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