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Post by inconvenientruth on May 22, 2024 19:42:47 GMT -5
You'll never see them critique a thing the FO Jones does. Its a preconceived mindset. I find it fascinating.. I'm all for giving props to players that do well. The Giants have a lot of them, they just don't play QB FIFY Haha well said. It comes to fans not holding him to any accountability for baseline production. Inversely, we have high expectations for just about every other position. But not the most important position Makes sense! |
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Post by vinnie on May 22, 2024 20:04:10 GMT -5
Awwwwwe….poor Red, I forgot, you’ve already been called out and quoted contradicting yourself on your feelings about PFF. To refresh your memory, you used them to support one of your ignorant arguments and then shortly after you talked shit about them when you didn’t agree with a separate ignorant argument of yours. You must be really confused and hurt today after what they said about your love obsession with your boy DJ. . ? I know it’s confusing for you, it can’t be easy using 2-3 different handles on 2 different sites. I truly believe you have no idea what I’m talking about. All your multiple personalities suck and are an embarrassment to every Giants fan out there so you might as well just pick one and stick with it instead of sounding 3X more ignorant than you already are. I fully expect a one word reply like “bullshit”! |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on May 23, 2024 1:05:21 GMT -5
It would be great and in the Giants best interests for Daniel Jones to play well. If he went out and threw for 4k yards with 35 TD's and took the Giants somewhere I wouldn't have a problem with that. As a Giants fan you have no choice but to root for him to play well if you want the team to win. This isn't anything that's not plainly obvious. The problem is that he hasn't done enough to give anyone reason to believe he can do that for any length of time.
This is totally accurate but the question is, are his failures due to his own shortcomings or are they the result of what is surrounding him?
I believe I saw our Oline and Receivers ranked as the worst in the league last year.
Who in their right mind is going to expect great play at QB when placed in that position?
Every single one of us have seen great QB's play terribly under pressure. If you pressure a QB enough bad things are going to happen. And if you allow it to go on repeatedly game after game you can end up with another David Carr. That is what happened to Eli Manning IMO. Eli never returned to the player he was after the 2013 season. And let's face it, the Giants tried like hell. They had Odell Beckham Jr. They changed their offense to a west coast - quick dump system. And what did it get them? Losing football.
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. |
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Post by Fletch842 on May 23, 2024 6:40:21 GMT -5
Just hope DJ can and will remain healthy and consistent. Question is now with Barkley to rival Eagles, and trying to now stay and remain healthy and consistent. I think our overall running game will be improved this year. Singletary is not that far off from Barkley, and better at blitz pick up and I have high hopes for Tracey. One of my least worries for the team. It really all centers around the O Line play more then anything. |
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Post by Roosevelt on May 23, 2024 6:56:48 GMT -5
This is totally accurate but the question is, are his failures due to his own shortcomings or are they the result of what is surrounding him?
I believe I saw our Oline and Receivers ranked as the worst in the league last year.
Who in their right mind is going to expect great play at QB when placed in that position?
Every single one of us have seen great QB's play terribly under pressure. If you pressure a QB enough bad things are going to happen. And if you allow it to go on repeatedly game after game you can end up with another David Carr. That is what happened to Eli Manning IMO. Eli never returned to the player he was after the 2013 season. And let's face it, the Giants tried like hell. They had Odell Beckham Jr. They changed their offense to a west coast - quick dump system. And what did it get them? Losing football.
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. That’s fair. Other than comparing the college game to the pro game to the pros, I agree. In the end it’s up to him to save his job. |
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Post by mendy on May 23, 2024 7:26:10 GMT -5
LOL, the toxic Jones fans still acting goofy, Banks was right. 1)Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? 2)Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. 3)You should take some notes. 1) Yes, you are 2) BS , your own post through out this thread prove other wise. 3) You should take a reading comprehension class . |
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Post by vinnie on May 23, 2024 8:18:08 GMT -5
1)Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? 2)Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. 3)You should take some notes. 1) Yes, you are 2) BS , your own post through out this thread prove other wise. 3) You should take a reading comprehension class . Still ignoring your own contradictions Red? |
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 23, 2024 8:24:36 GMT -5
1)Wait, am I the toxic Jones fan, or you? 2)Let me be clear..im a Gianta fan. Could care less about any one player. 3)You should take some notes. 1) Yes, you are 2) BS , your own post through out this thread prove other wise. 3) You should take a reading comprehension class . Maybe I do not get it. Can someone explain to me what a Toxic Giants Fan is? Someone who doesn't agree with the homerism of the other fan demographic. |
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Post by nyg2 on May 23, 2024 17:05:15 GMT -5
First of all this tweet is from December 19, 2023, so did you bookmark the tweet waiting for the moment to make the comparison between the two? Lol. Second if you notice they compare number of games and not number of seasons, and if anyone else found that strange the reason being is Trevor Lawrence reached his 48th game in his 3rd season, whereas Daniel Jones reached his 48th game in his 4th season: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:2019 - 12 games (1st year) 2021 - 17 games (1st year) 2020 - 14 games (2nd year) 2022 - 17 games (2nd year)2021 - 11 games (3rd year) 2023 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
Now another strange tidbit is that CBS decides that they would combine their passing and rushing numbers, as if their 1:1 and interchangeable when comparing QBs. Now, when you break it down by season and compare their passing yards you get a much different picture then the one they're trying to paint:
Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:
2019 - 3,027 passing yards (1st year) 2021 - 3,641 passing yards (1st year)
2020 - 2,943 passing yards (2nd year) 2022 - 4,113 passing yards(2nd year)
2021 - 2,428 passing yards (3rd year) 2023 - 4,016 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 3,205 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
We could also contextualize why they have similar passing yards per attempt: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence: 2019 - 459 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (1st year) 2021 - 602 passing attempts; 6.0 yards per attempt (1st year) 2020 - 448 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2022 - 584 passing attempts; 7.0 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2021 - 361 passing attempts; 6.7 yards per attempt (3rd year) 2023 - 564 passing attempts; 7.1 yds p/a (Reached 48 games in 3rd year) 2022 - 472 passing attempts; 6.8 yards per attempt (Reached 48 games in 4th year) Basically Jones had the luxury of having a top 3 yard RB, but was hardly every trying to throw it past the sticks, whereas Lawrence didn't have a running game his first year in the league which negatively skewed his average yards per attempt, but with the addition of Travis Etienne Jr. in the following two season you can see the number of times he's had to throw the ball has gone down and that his average yards per attempt has gone up. I think you get the point, Jones has basically stagnated and declined throughout his career, whereas Lawrence has taken actual tangible steps at showing he's the guy, whether the Jaguars want to sign him to a long-term career based on said trajectory is yet to be seen. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 26, 2024 11:05:48 GMT -5
why do you suppose our GM did not sign Jones long term with more guaranteed money? Jones didn’t get Hebert, etc, money,
That's obvious. They felt they needed to see Jones put a couple seasons together. Okay, so how did that work out?
You're an intelligent fan and you know the reason Jones shit the bed is partly due to Schoen shitting the bed with Oline acquisitions (Neal, Glowinski, Schmitz, Ozeudu, McKethan).
And I'm not just blaming Schoen. Daboll's fingerprints are all over this. Here you got a veteran center in Jon Felciano and insteasd of allowing your rookie center to sit and learn under him, you feed him to the wolves to start the season. Then you sub guys in who were obviously not prepared to play. Didn't we have one linemen crying after one of the early games?
The Giants collectively got punched in the mouth in week one last year. Jones just happened to be the unlucky son of bitch who was starting the season.
I'm not a jones apologist but this might be to factual for some Jones faced the toughest part of the schedule with the lest rest and most injuries he wasn't good when he the few times he had some time but man I thin 3 games in 11 days 2 on the west coast. Not an excuse just facts simply put Jones should and hopefully is playing for his Giants career it is year 6 it is now or never for most never already happened and I get that. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 26, 2024 11:09:52 GMT -5
But he did get Herbert money.. 45m+ a year is top QB money. Aleast he did not get top QB commitment in terms of guaranteed years. You discredited your first take with your understanding in the second sentence. In the NFL all that matters is guaranteed money. Jones: $92M guaranteed Herbert: $220M guaranteed Jones did not get Herbert money. Thats how some people want to frame it Schoen did what he did with the contract fro a reason when it comes to guaranteed cash he is getting half or less than half of what the others are getting that are supposedly in his pay range they aren't Guaranteed money is the be all end all when it comes to cap health. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 26, 2024 11:23:46 GMT -5
It would be great and in the Giants best interests for Daniel Jones to play well. If he went out and threw for 4k yards with 35 TD's and took the Giants somewhere I wouldn't have a problem with that. As a Giants fan you have no choice but to root for him to play well if you want the team to win. This isn't anything that's not plainly obvious. The problem is that he hasn't done enough to give anyone reason to believe he can do that for any length of time.
This is totally accurate but the question is, are his failures due to his own shortcomings or are they the result of what is surrounding him?
I believe I saw our Oline and Receivers ranked as the worst in the league last year.
Who in their right mind is going to expect great play at QB when placed in that position?
Every single one of us have seen great QB's play terribly under pressure. If you pressure a QB enough bad things are going to happen. And if you allow it to go on repeatedly game after game you can end up with another David Carr. That is what happened to Eli Manning IMO. Eli never returned to the player he was after the 2013 season. And let's face it, the Giants tried like hell. They had Odell Beckham Jr. They changed their offense to a west coast - quick dump system. And what did it get them? Losing football.
It is never all equal by the way great post . QBs and I don't care if your Brady Mahomes or Jones or Lawrence are dependent on who they have around them especially the OL. Think Brady wanted to be 18- 1 in 2007 pressure did that.or Mahomes wanted to start I think it was the 2020 season with almost as many picks as TD and his team reeling near 500 there OL was new and he was pressured a ton they turned it around I should say he turned around as soon as the OL settled down. This is never Apples to Apples it doesn't mean Jones is the guy but what we do know he was in the worst situation possible for a young QB so add that to his short coming and this is what you get. Maybe in a better situation he is serviceable or better guy has never had a #1 WR or stability with coaching till now and even now here we go another OL coach. As I said this doesn't mean he is teh guy but the facts are the facts the Giants have been about the worst possible situation for a QB to they to grow in. |
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Post by McCherry on May 26, 2024 12:22:29 GMT -5
This is totally accurate but the question is, are his failures due to his own shortcomings or are they the result of what is surrounding him?
I believe I saw our Oline and Receivers ranked as the worst in the league last year.
Who in their right mind is going to expect great play at QB when placed in that position?
Every single one of us have seen great QB's play terribly under pressure. If you pressure a QB enough bad things are going to happen. And if you allow it to go on repeatedly game after game you can end up with another David Carr. That is what happened to Eli Manning IMO. Eli never returned to the player he was after the 2013 season. And let's face it, the Giants tried like hell. They had Odell Beckham Jr. They changed their offense to a west coast - quick dump system. And what did it get them? Losing football.
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. Let's never again compare college to the NFL. |
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Post by Merlin on May 26, 2024 13:00:03 GMT -5
First of all this tweet is from December 19, 2023, so did you bookmark the tweet waiting for the moment to make the comparison between the two? Lol. Second if you notice they compare number of games and not number of seasons, and if anyone else found that strange the reason being is Trevor Lawrence reached his 48th game in his 3rd season, whereas Daniel Jones reached his 48th game in his 4th season: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:2019 - 12 games (1st year) 2021 - 17 games (1st year) 2020 - 14 games (2nd year) 2022 - 17 games (2nd year)2021 - 11 games (3rd year) 2023 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
Now another strange tidbit is that CBS decides that they would combine their passing and rushing numbers, as if their 1:1 and interchangeable when comparing QBs. Now, when you break it down by season and compare their passing yards you get a much different picture then the one they're trying to paint:
Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:
2019 - 3,027 passing yards (1st year) 2021 - 3,641 passing yards (1st year)
2020 - 2,943 passing yards (2nd year) 2022 - 4,113 passing yards(2nd year)
2021 - 2,428 passing yards (3rd year) 2023 - 4,016 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 3,205 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
We could also contextualize why they have similar passing yards per attempt: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence: 2019 - 459 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (1st year) 2021 - 602 passing attempts; 6.0 yards per attempt (1st year) 2020 - 448 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2022 - 584 passing attempts; 7.0 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2021 - 361 passing attempts; 6.7 yards per attempt (3rd year) 2023 - 564 passing attempts; 7.1 yds p/a (Reached 48 games in 3rd year) 2022 - 472 passing attempts; 6.8 yards per attempt (Reached 48 games in 4th year) Basically Jones had the luxury of having a top 3 yard RB, but was hardly every trying to throw it past the sticks, whereas Lawrence didn't have a running game his first year in the league which negatively skewed his average yards per attempt, but with the addition of Travis Etienne Jr. in the following two season you can see the number of times he's had to throw the ball has gone down and that his average yards per attempt has gone up. I think you get the point, Jones has basically stagnated and declined throughout his career, whereas Lawrence has taken actual tangible steps at showing he's the guy, whether the Jaguars want to sign him to a long-term career based on said trajectory is yet to be seen. Barkley was injured pretty much all of 2020 and half of 2021 putting up a 3.7 yards per attempt while he worked his way back from inj. He didn't get back right until 2022, then played the first 2 out of the 6 games with Jones for 2023. 2020 wide receiver core for Jones 2nd year was: Shepard(12gms played), Tate(12gms played), Slayton & Engram. Wayne Gallman for the ground 2022 wide receiver core for Lawrence 2nd year was: Kirk, Zay Jones, Engram, Marvin Jones & Ettienne for the ground. 2021 wide receiver core for Jones 3rd year was: Engram, Toney(10gms), Slayton(13gms), Shepard(7gms), Golladay 2022 wide receiver core Lawrence 3rd year was: Ridley, Kirk, Engram, Zay Jones. Just putting up stats doesn't offer proper context. Lawrence is a better QB than Jones to be clear. He was drafted #1 as a Andrew Luck level prospect. Jones wasn't drafted as a generational Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning level prospect. |
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Post by Speedman on May 26, 2024 14:43:27 GMT -5
First of all this tweet is from December 19, 2023, so did you bookmark the tweet waiting for the moment to make the comparison between the two? Lol. Second if you notice they compare number of games and not number of seasons, and if anyone else found that strange the reason being is Trevor Lawrence reached his 48th game in his 3rd season, whereas Daniel Jones reached his 48th game in his 4th season: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:2019 - 12 games (1st year) 2021 - 17 games (1st year) 2020 - 14 games (2nd year) 2022 - 17 games (2nd year)2021 - 11 games (3rd year) 2023 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 16 games (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
Now another strange tidbit is that CBS decides that they would combine their passing and rushing numbers, as if their 1:1 and interchangeable when comparing QBs. Now, when you break it down by season and compare their passing yards you get a much different picture then the one they're trying to paint:
Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence:
2019 - 3,027 passing yards (1st year) 2021 - 3,641 passing yards (1st year)
2020 - 2,943 passing yards (2nd year) 2022 - 4,113 passing yards(2nd year)
2021 - 2,428 passing yards (3rd year) 2023 - 4,016 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 3rd year)
2022 - 3,205 passing yards (Reached 48 games in 4th year)
We could also contextualize why they have similar passing yards per attempt: Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence: 2019 - 459 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (1st year) 2021 - 602 passing attempts; 6.0 yards per attempt (1st year) 2020 - 448 passing attempts; 6.6 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2022 - 584 passing attempts; 7.0 yards per attempt (2nd year) 2021 - 361 passing attempts; 6.7 yards per attempt (3rd year) 2023 - 564 passing attempts; 7.1 yds p/a (Reached 48 games in 3rd year) 2022 - 472 passing attempts; 6.8 yards per attempt (Reached 48 games in 4th year) Basically Jones had the luxury of having a top 3 yard RB, but was hardly every trying to throw it past the sticks, whereas Lawrence didn't have a running game his first year in the league which negatively skewed his average yards per attempt, but with the addition of Travis Etienne Jr. in the following two season you can see the number of times he's had to throw the ball has gone down and that his average yards per attempt has gone up. I think you get the point, Jones has basically stagnated and declined throughout his career, whereas Lawrence has taken actual tangible steps at showing he's the guy, whether the Jaguars want to sign him to a long-term career based on said trajectory is yet to be seen. Anyone can skew the numbers to promote their own agenda as we just saw from both of your posts. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 26, 2024 20:03:21 GMT -5
This is totally accurate but the question is, are his failures due to his own shortcomings or are they the result of what is surrounding him?
I believe I saw our Oline and Receivers ranked as the worst in the league last year.
Who in their right mind is going to expect great play at QB when placed in that position?
Every single one of us have seen great QB's play terribly under pressure. If you pressure a QB enough bad things are going to happen. And if you allow it to go on repeatedly game after game you can end up with another David Carr. That is what happened to Eli Manning IMO. Eli never returned to the player he was after the 2013 season. And let's face it, the Giants tried like hell. They had Odell Beckham Jr. They changed their offense to a west coast - quick dump system. And what did it get them? Losing football.
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. |
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Post by bluebuddha on May 26, 2024 20:57:05 GMT -5
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. I might be remembering it wrong. It was an epic end to the 4th quarter. The Giants defense held it own and contained Brady until the seond to last drive of the 4th quarter. Tom Brady came back and got the Patriots up by 4 points with only 2 minutes and 40 seconds. No one knew Eli had that ice in his veins. The defense left the field with a loss and the offense had to come up big. The defense only needed to defend one or two more plays for 42 seconds and the length of the field after we scored. Both QBs that day took a beating and figured it out in the 4th quarter. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 26, 2024 21:41:51 GMT -5
So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. I might be remembering it wrong. It was an epic end to the 4th quarter. The Giants defense held it own and contained Brady until the seond to last drive of the 4th quarter. Tom Brady came back and got the Patriots up by 4 points with only 2 minutes and 40 seconds. No one knew Eli had that ice in his veins. The defense left the field with a loss and the offense had to come up big. The defense only needed to defend one or two more plays for 42 seconds and the length of the field after we scored. Both QBs that day took a beating and figured it out in the 4th quarter. yup that said Brady led a one of highest scoring offenses in NFL history the defenses victory was holding him to under 17 points the hits and pressure rattled him he was on the side line saying it's like throwing through the forrest. Same happened the second time around 2nd play tuck pressures him and he start the game with an intensional grounding the pressure got him and that was just 1 game be it a huge one for an undefeated championship season. Credit to brady 0 excuses and all respect to the giants and there players class act. |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on May 26, 2024 22:32:51 GMT -5
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. Let's never again compare college to the NFL. Let's never again try to act like the comparison isn't relevant. The point is that you can display competence behind a bad offensive line. Nothing complicated about this. |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on May 26, 2024 22:35:22 GMT -5
He gets paid very well to go out there regardless of the circumstances. Many quarterbacks have played better than Daniel Jones has under bad circumstances. Caleb Williams had a horrible OL his last season at USC and displayed more competence than Jones. Even with a bad OL a QB can make good decisions, throw out of bounds when necessary, take intelligent sacks, go through his progressions when he has time, etc. I don't give Daniel Jones a pass because of bad circumstances. He has been too bad for too long for it to be blamed on whatever is around him. If mental pressure because of repeated hits bothers him then he shouldn't go out there. Football is voluntary. Don't have the fortitude to take the hits? Don't play. He is paid to deal with that. It's what he signed up for. So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. Brady had his team in the lead in that game with under 3 minutes left. Took big shit after big shot and kept coming at the Giants. Jones would have crumbled before halftime. If you can't take the hits, don't go out there. Period. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 8:48:25 GMT -5
So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. Brady had his team in the lead in that game with under 3 minutes left. Took big shit after big shot and kept coming at the Giants. Jones would have crumbled before halftime. If you can't take the hits, don't go out there. Period. Brady led a prolific offense through out the years he couldn't muster 17 points because he was rattled this has nothing to do with Jones verse Brady thats not even a conversation. It is about the affect pressure has on QBs Brady had to deal with it 1 game the biggest game of his career and he himself said on the side line he couldn't see it was like playing in a forrest of tall trees. pressure hits and sacks affect every QB and when it is game in and game out it affects the internal clock of a QB this is not saying even Jones is good enough but he sure will not be the best version of what he can be playing behind an OL that is a inconsistent with passpro as it gets. Jones more than likely will be gone after this year that said but if they want to cultivate a QB or bring a vet in they better get that OL right because defenses will have answers for the smoke and mirrors they will need if they don't get the OL right. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 27, 2024 8:55:01 GMT -5
Anyone who stains a fan with the mark of toxic is a motherless and fatherless ****.. I’ve been in the building way before the cockroaches moved in. I even heard the ground tremble as the chants of defense echoed throughout the northern seaboard.
When this franchise flatlined.. I gave them my heart. We hold our own to giant expectations. This isn’t the fleabag Cardinals.. or the purple pussy eaters, Vikings. Either rise above the ashes.. or be buried under the rubble.
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Post by McCherry on May 27, 2024 8:55:04 GMT -5
Let's never again compare college to the NFL. Let's never again try to act like the comparison isn't relevant. The point is that you can display competence behind a bad offensive line. Nothing complicated about this. Nothing about college is relevant to the NFL. Williams is an athletic player who could move in the pocket and make throws in the run. The playbooks aren't comparable, the secondary's and pass rush he's facing aren't comparable. It's just silly. In the NFL, the best QB's like Brady and Mahomes struggle behind bad OL's. That statement is just fan speak based on nothing. |
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Post by vinnie on May 27, 2024 9:05:32 GMT -5
Not just you Dog but I see a lot of “Jones will probably gone after this year”. What makes you think that? I support Jones, and I definitely don’t think he’s the answer, but I could also see him being around next year of the Giants have a ~.500 season which I think they will.
What I’m even more confused about is a lot of the fans (not you specifically) think DJ is actually a better QB than what we’ve seen (it would be hard not to be) but are also the same fans saying he won’t be here next here. Why? If he’s better than what we’ve seen his salary cap is still affordable and a better option than paying a FA like potentially Dak or Cousins and he would still be a better option than throwing a rookie QB out there.
I’m a fan of the person not the player but I can easily see DJ on this roster next year if the Giants have a half way decent season which I think they will. Better get ready Giants fans, unless DJ completely shits the bed which I don’t think he will do, we’ll be looking at 2 more years of mediocrity and ineptitude.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 9:12:16 GMT -5
So you gonna tell Tom Brady that in the biggest game of his life undefeated season he was rendered ineffective because of hits and pressure. he should take a seat 1 game and he succumbed t o th physical beating and pressure Giants QBs see that more games than not that would wear on anyone. Brady had his team in the lead in that game with under 3 minutes left. Took big shit after big shot and kept coming at the Giants. Jones would have crumbled before halftime. If you can't take the hits, don't go out there. Period. Brady couldn't take them thats why he got the L he ran the historic NFL offense that year guess he should have retired because he lost because they couldn't score 14 ain't gonna do it no matter when he got the 4 point lead. very easy to say if you can't take the hits well all 99% of them fold including Brady 2 times against us, that was one of Eli's best quality's you can beat his ass for 1 game and he will get you but even him when the Giants OL fell apart he did to. |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on May 27, 2024 9:17:56 GMT -5
Let's never again try to act like the comparison isn't relevant. The point is that you can display competence behind a bad offensive line. Nothing complicated about this. Nothing about college is relevant to the NFL. Williams is an athletic player who could move in the pocket and make throws in the run. The playbooks aren't comparable, the secondary's and pass rush he's facing aren't comparable. It's just silly. In the NFL, the best QB's like Brady and Mahomes struggle behind bad OL's. That statement is just fan speak based on nothing. You're over analyzing my statement. It is very obvious that college and the National Football League have distinct differences. That wasn't the point. Many quarterbacks have played well in the National Football League under duress as well. Won games and out performed Daniel Jones under similar or worse circumstances. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 9:23:58 GMT -5
Not just you Dog but I see a lot of “Jones will probably gone after this year”. What makes you think that? I support Jones, and I definitely don’t think he’s the answer, but I could also see him being around next year of the Giants have a ~.500 season which I think they will. What I’m even more confused about is a lot of the fans (not you specifically) think DJ is actually a better QB than what we’ve seen (it would be hard not to be) but are also the same fans saying he won’t be here next here. Why? If he’s better than what we’ve seen his salary cap is still affordable and a better option than paying a FA like potentially Dak or Cousins and he would still be a better option than throwing a rookie QB out there. I’m a fan of the person not the player but I can easily see DJ on this roster next year if the Giants have a half way decent season which I think they will. Better get ready Giants fans, unless DJ completely shits the bed which I don’t think he will do, we’ll be looking at 2 more years of mediocrity and ineptitude. I can see him here if he shows progress like taking those throws he has always turned down at this point I have to see it, if he doesn't they might not get to 7 to 9 wins. I love the kid as far as toughness work ethic and the fact that they can come at him in this town and he shrugs it off. The other way I can see him here is if he takes a paycut thats actually how I see him not being because if he refuses the paycut they might say see you later. This is year 6 he can't be afraid of picks as I said before he needs to let it go picks are gonna happen if he throws 10 or 12 but gives the team 30 TDs i will take that trade love to see him attempt those field side shots and outside the numbers hole shots on the reg. |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on May 27, 2024 9:29:09 GMT -5
Brady had his team in the lead in that game with under 3 minutes left. Took big shit after big shot and kept coming at the Giants. Jones would have crumbled before halftime. If you can't take the hits, don't go out there. Period. Brady couldn't take them thats why he got the L he ran the historic NFL offense that year guess he should have retired because he lost because they couldn't score 14 ain't gonna do it no matter when he got the 4 point lead. very easy to say if you can't take the hits well all 99% of them fold including Brady 2 times against us, that was one of Eli's best quality's you can beat his ass for 1 game and he will get you but even him when the Giants OL fell apart he did to. Why would he have retired because he lost the game? He still wanted to play. That has nothing to do with my point. Tom Brady doesn't play defense. It's not his fault the Patriots defense allowed Eli to go down the field to win it. He did what he had to do to give his team the opportunity to win under tremendous pressure. When does Daniel Jones ever have the Giants in the lead in any game where he is being terrorized like that? He doesn't do shit. He folds and throws interceptions. Brady never folded. They lost the game, but Brady didn't crumble. He went down swinging throwing bombs to Randy Moss. Right after taking a big shot to the gut from Jay Alford. Real NFL QB shit. No bullshit. If you play the game, you know what you sign up for. I don't have sympathy for NFL players who get their heads knocked off doing something voluntary. If Jones goes on the field I expect him to do his job. Don't want to get hit? Don't go out there. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 27, 2024 9:35:45 GMT -5
Brady couldn't take them thats why he got the L he ran the historic NFL offense that year guess he should have retired because he lost because they couldn't score 14 ain't gonna do it no matter when he got the 4 point lead. very easy to say if you can't take the hits well all 99% of them fold including Brady 2 times against us, that was one of Eli's best quality's you can beat his ass for 1 game and he will get you but even him when the Giants OL fell apart he did to. Why would he have retired because he lost the game? He still wanted to play. That has nothing to do with my point. Tom Brady doesn't play defense. It's not his fault the Patriots defense allowed Eli to go down the field to win it. He did what he had to do to give his team the opportunity to win under tremendous pressure. When does Daniel Jones ever have the Giants in the lead in any game where he is being terrorized like that? He doesn't do shit. He folds and throws interceptions. Brady never folded. They lost the game, but Brady didn't crumble. He went down swinging throwing bombs to Randy Moss. Right after taking a big shot to the gut from Jay Alford. Real NFL QB shit. No bullshit. If you play the game, you know what you sign up for. I don't have sympathy for NFL players who get their heads knocked off doing something voluntary. If Jones goes on the field I expect him to do his job. Don't want to get hit? Don't go out there. I get your point but the point is they all struggle with constant harassment I mean Tom Brady laughed when Plex said 17 would be enough because they were a historic offense that 30 or more is what was expected people were waiting fro the blow out to happen. If that offense did what they did to the giants and every other team in the regular season it would have been a blowout this is fro me the point that Brady far underperformed in that game and he takes that on his shoulders as he said the pass rush is the main reason they won the game with anything less that game is an L for the Giants. |
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Post by bluebuddha on May 27, 2024 10:53:01 GMT -5
I might be remembering it wrong. It was an epic end to the 4th quarter. The Giants defense held it own and contained Brady until the seond to last drive of the 4th quarter. Tom Brady came back and got the Patriots up by 4 points with only 2 minutes and 40 seconds. No one knew Eli had that ice in his veins. The defense left the field with a loss and the offense had to come up big. The defense only needed to defend one or two more plays for 42 seconds and the length of the field after we scored. Both QBs that day took a beating and figured it out in the 4th quarter. yup that said Brady led a one of highest scoring offenses in NFL history the defenses victory was holding him to under 17 points the hits and pressure rattled him he was on the side line saying it's like throwing through the forrest. Same happened the second time around 2nd play tuck pressures him and he start the game with an intensional grounding the pressure got him and that was just 1 game be it a huge one for an undefeated championship season. Credit to brady 0 excuses and all respect to the giants and there players class act. Good QBs figure it out. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit, who gets injured or who their WRs are. By the 4th quarter or at worst the next time they meet they know exactly how to attack the defense. They adjust little things they need to do and what other need to do to make sure the play executes. Bad qbs wait for the coach or GM to make things get better on offense. Good QB (true leaders) make sure things get better . |
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