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Post by robl on Jun 21, 2024 7:16:54 GMT -5
@jordanraanan · 7m The plan for Isaiah Simmons heading into the season will be to use him as first and second down nickel and in a third down position new DC Shane Bowen called “money.” This was revealed when a Hard Knocks preview clip was shown last night at Giants 100.
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Post by ratbastich on Jun 21, 2024 8:23:14 GMT -5
That kind of sounds like how Wink used him though, as a hybrid defensive back/linebacker. I think Alabama used a lot of the Money position which is the 6th DB
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Post by piddy283 on Jun 21, 2024 8:36:19 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 21, 2024 8:37:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to use him but a hybrid Safety/ LB makes a lot of sense.
What he can be is a game changer if he can figure it out tho, I watched a few clips of him last year where he wasn't deep enough in the zone and he missed out on few pass breaks ups and or picks now I don't know what the play called for as far depth 10 or 15 yards think it might be a feel thing for him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 21, 2024 8:43:52 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
I think trying to move him up on 3rd downs try to get him in as a free rusher post snap with his speed he can possibly be a headache. thing is this has been a question for a while with him now. It might just be his instincts and feel need to improve or maybe he is what he is right now kind of a gadget guy on defense that can be used in several different ways. It will be interesting to see how creative Bowen is with him if he is at all.
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Post by ratbastich on Jun 21, 2024 11:07:16 GMT -5
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 21, 2024 11:09:00 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
I think we need a DT desperately to put next to Dex. One last vet pick up, there are a few of them still out there. That behemoth Campbell I believe is still unsigned. He is 37 but he could play half the defensive plays and at 6'8" 330 lbs he can still be effective against both the run and pass. Or the DL that was on N.E. for the last 7 years that is a FA because N.E. didn't have the money for him. Just saying there are players available that can help us and we can afford.
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Post by piddy283 on Jun 21, 2024 11:20:24 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
I think we need a DT desperately to put next to Dex. One last vet pick up, there are a few of them still out there. That behemoth Campbell I believe is still unsigned. He is 37 but he could play half the defensive plays and at 6'8" 330 lbs he can still be effective against both the run and pass. Or the DL that was on N.E. for the last 7 years that is a FA because N.E. didn't have the money for him. Just saying there are players available that can help us and we can afford.
100%. If Dex goes down, then what? We let Lenny & Robinson walk and we did nothing to replace either. Huge gamble on the FO's part.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 21, 2024 11:29:19 GMT -5
I think we need a DT desperately to put next to Dex. One last vet pick up, there are a few of them still out there. That behemoth Campbell I believe is still unsigned. He is 37 but he could play half the defensive plays and at 6'8" 330 lbs he can still be effective against both the run and pass. Or the DL that was on N.E. for the last 7 years that is a FA because N.E. didn't have the money for him. Just saying there are players available that can help us and we can afford.
100%. If Dex goes down, then what? We let Lenny & Robinson walk and we did nothing to replace either. Huge gamble on the FO's part.
Exactly piddy, we were the 4th worse team vs the run last year. We couldn't stop anybody from running the ball. We need a solid DL it would improve our defense so much. If we could get one I think we could have a top 15 defense. And our front 7 would be top 10.
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Post by piddy283 on Jun 21, 2024 11:45:02 GMT -5
100%. If Dex goes down, then what? We let Lenny & Robinson walk and we did nothing to replace either. Huge gamble on the FO's part.
Exactly piddy, we were the 4th worse team vs the run last year. We couldn't stop anybody from running the ball. We need a solid DL it would improve our defense so much. If we could get one I think we could have a top 15 defense. And our front 7 would be top 10.
Going into the off-season we had huge question marks along the DL, the OL, and at CB. Nothing has changed.
One injury to Dex....one injury to Thomas/Neal/JMS....one injury to Banks.....three years into this rebuild and we're still completely thin at nearly every key position.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 21, 2024 13:57:57 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
I wouldn't say "solid". Too many questions remaining on the interior. We don't even know what the starting lineup is going into camp. But the front 7 was not bad last year, even after Williams was traded. The real deficit in the Giants run D was the tackling in the secondary.
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Post by lt56 on Jun 21, 2024 14:08:01 GMT -5
rooting for him, Physical Tools are off the Charts he for sure can be a weapon on Defense
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 23, 2024 6:30:52 GMT -5
I like Simmons so much when I think of his potential. It just doesn't seem to show itself consistently in games. His versatility is a coach's dream. He could help us so much next to Okereke. Depth along with Azees on the outside, and even as a strong safety inside the red zone.
I was hoping we would re sign him, I thought it could be a possible steal last year when we picked him up. Now I don't know what's missing for him to reach this potential but I'm hoping somebody can get it out of him. I think he could be an integral part of this defense.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 23, 2024 9:33:49 GMT -5
I like Simmons so much when I think of his potential. It just doesn't seem to show itself consistently in games. His versatility is a coach's dream. He could help us so much next to Okereke. Depth along with Azees on the outside, and even as a strong safety inside the red zone. I was hoping we would re sign him, I thought it could be a possible steal last year when we picked him up. Now I don't know what's missing for him to reach this potential but I'm hoping somebody can get it out of him. I think he could be an integral part of this defense. I agree. My knee jerk reaction is that he's been the same guy for quite a while through a number of coaches and teams If deploying him in creative/disruptive ways was a real possibility, he would have shown it already. All we've seen is the obvious athleticism with occasional flashes of what we are dying to see. Not sure what's missing to get him to that special level but something is holding him back. Maybe it's mental aspect of being so flexible in his deployment. I haven't given up on the dream but I am not betting that it will happen. I want someone to retrieve this post in 6 months and make fun of me. That would the best outcome.
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Post by hadenough on Jul 1, 2024 11:57:42 GMT -5
He always seems to be a bit behind everyone in coverage. I’d use him as an edge rusher. Simmons, Thibs, Dex, Burns. Either Thibs or Dex would get singled in the interior.
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Post by inthezone on Jul 1, 2024 11:59:47 GMT -5
He always seems to be a bit behind everyone in coverage. I’d use him as an edge rusher. Simmons, Thibs, Dex, Burns. Either Thibs or Dex would get singled in the interior. That's how I also saw his play so I'm not convinced he will be a good enough player for the team.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jul 1, 2024 12:06:36 GMT -5
let's get it let's get it...............
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Post by Jomo on Jul 1, 2024 19:27:28 GMT -5
He always seems to be a bit behind everyone in coverage. I’d use him as an edge rusher. Simmons, Thibs, Dex, Burns. Either Thibs or Dex would get singled in the interior. That makes perfect sense to me. The reads in rushing from the edge are much less complicated than being deployed all over the defensive side of the ball.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 1, 2024 23:33:09 GMT -5
he is a rotational player and thats pretty much it. Will have great flash plays here and there. Which is fine because thats all he is expected to do.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 2, 2024 21:57:01 GMT -5
I always wondered why he isn't a strong safety
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Post by mendy on Jul 3, 2024 6:14:23 GMT -5
They talked about this last night on HK. Daboll specifically aske about what Bowen would do with Simmons.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 7, 2024 18:53:41 GMT -5
OLB is a strength for us. We have solid starting talent as well as depth, so his versatility as a OLB4 is a benefit. It's not something we have to depend on unless there's multiple injuries.
Besides the lack of proven depth at DT the front-7 is looking solid on paper.
Sounds like he is going to do more of what he did with the Cardinals he is gonna be more DB / LB depending on how the offense aligns.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 7, 2024 18:58:44 GMT -5
he is a rotational player and thats pretty much it. Will have great flash plays here and there. Which is fine because thats all he is expected to do. Think he is gonna be on the field all 3 downs alignment and personnel 11 or 12 so on where he will line up either as a backer a slot defender or on the TE
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 7, 2024 19:07:11 GMT -5
He always seems to be a bit behind everyone in coverage. I’d use him as an edge rusher. Simmons, Thibs, Dex, Burns. Either Thibs or Dex would get singled in the interior. From the looks of it he might be doing that some too, being he will not line up as a boundary corner he will be lined up where he can rush the passer if they scheme it up for him and get the his assignment in the passing game covered.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 8, 2024 6:34:38 GMT -5
he is a rotational player and thats pretty much it. Will have great flash plays here and there. Which is fine because thats all he is expected to do. Think he is gonna be on the field all 3 downs alignment and personnel 11 or 12 so on where he will line up either as a backer a slot defender or on the TE I am not expecting too much from him.
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Post by inthezone on Jul 8, 2024 6:40:44 GMT -5
he is a rotational player and thats pretty much it. Will have great flash plays here and there. Which is fine because thats all he is expected to do. Think he is gonna be on the field all 3 downs alignment and personnel 11 or 12 so on where he will line up either as a backer a slot defender or on the TE That would be surprising if he plays even half what you are saying.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 8, 2024 8:23:08 GMT -5
Think he is gonna be on the field all 3 downs alignment and personnel 11 or 12 so on where he will line up either as a backer a slot defender or on the TE I am not expecting too much from him. If he gives them what he gave last year on teams and in the defense he is playing above a 7th round pick, he will have a chance to give more which I expect it to be average play thats what he has been some good some not so good.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 9, 2024 7:33:29 GMT -5
I am not expecting too much from him. If he gives them what he gave last year on teams and in the defense he is playing above a 7th round pick, he will have a chance to give more which I expect it to be average play thats what he has been some good some not so good. I hope he breaks out but I am not expecting it. He will flash at times for sure. That is a good thing.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 9, 2024 8:33:03 GMT -5
If he gives them what he gave last year on teams and in the defense he is playing above a 7th round pick, he will have a chance to give more which I expect it to be average play thats what he has been some good some not so good. I hope he breaks out but I am not expecting it. He will flash at times for sure. That is a good thing. His flashes are pretty bright I have to say his pick six last year was pretty nice and some of his hustle plays and rushes were really fun to hopefully he can find consistency. for what they gave up he is the type of player every team needs to compliment their stars he might never reach his potential but he can still help.
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Post by giants8493 on Jul 13, 2024 22:40:12 GMT -5
That kind of sounds like how Wink used him though, as a hybrid defensive back/linebacker. I think Alabama used a lot of the Money position which is the 6th DB i think he was Clemson though
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