In your eyes, was Kurt Warner a New York Giant?

[Shim]

Statistically and by literal nature, yes he was. Outside of the Giants players, Kurt was an immediate favorite that grew on me during that infamous 1999 season. The rams offense as a whole was just stunning to watch at that time.

But I've argued with fellow Giants fans of how I felt he was an immediate bridge-gap for the QB issue until our coaching regime felt it was time for Eli to take over. For that not to happen Kurt would have had to play lights out. I just never felt he was truly a New York Giant, and felt he himself never wanted to associate himself as a Giant after the pettiness that overcame him when being benched for Eli.

Kurt Warner:
10 games, 5-4 record, 62.8%, 2,054 yds, 6TD, 4 INT, 86.5 Rate.


What are you feelings on Kurt as a NYG?

"Once a Giant, always a Giant" doesn't apply here for me personally.

[JoeBigBlue]

Ehh....it's like was Dave Navarro a member of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers?

Yeah....for a short time I guess......whatever.

[Shim]

Jun 20, 2018 12:54:00 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

Ehh....it's like was Dave Navarro a member of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers?

Yeah....for a short time I guess......whatever.

5 years > 10 weeks.

[JoeBigBlue]

Jun 20, 2018 12:58:11 GMT -5 Shim said:

Jun 20, 2018 12:54:00 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

Ehh....it's like was Dave Navarro a member of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers?

Yeah....for a short time I guess......whatever.

5 years > 10 weeks.

I didn't realize he was there that long...huh...

[Roswell]

Yes he was a Giant. And while he was here he was the epitome of class, handling a difficult situation without being a distraction.

This is a HOF QB that we are talking about that was shown the bench with plenty left in the tank.

[Parademon1]

I really don't blame him for being bitter. He still had a lot of gas in his tank as a QB & the Giants kicked him to the curb while the team still had a winning record. who's to say if they don't keep Kirk as the starter all yr, that they don't make the playoffs that yr. Giants were 5-4 under him & went 1-6 with Eli. Led Az to back to back div title in 08'-09' & should have won that SB vs Pitt but his 99yd pick 6 at the half was pretty much the deciding play in why they lost.

In his 12 yrs in the NFL, Kurt only played 4 seasons (99-01-08-09) where he played 15-16 games but his record in those 4 seasons was 46-17, he was pretty injury prone during his career & it kinda reminds me of Phil Simms career. Phil missed a ton of games in his career due to injuries as well & yet still won 95 games.


in 14 seasons , Phil only played at least 14+ games in 7 of them but his record in those 7 seasons was 75-33.


Kurt & Phil had similar numbers career wise & with Kurt making it to the HOF, I really don't see why Phil isn't in either.


Kurt Warner stats: 67-49 32,344yds 209 TDs 128 Ints 1 SB title, 3 SB app & 9-4 playoff record

Phil Simms stats: 95--64 33,462yds 199 TDs 157 Ints 2 SB titles 6-4 playoff record

Granted , Warner was a 2x league MVP, led 2 teams to the SB including once when he was 37, hmmmmm?

[Deleted]

He put on a uniform so he definitely was a Giant. That said, it was time for the Eli era.

[JoeBigBlue]

Jun 20, 2018 15:29:23 GMT -5 @elidamanning said:

He put on a uniform so he definitely was a Giant. That said, it was time for the Eli era.

Was Brandon Marshall a Giant?

[snyder55]

I always felt that Kurt Warner got the quick hook from being the starting QB to the bench in favor of a totally unprepared Eli Manning, and Kurt handled the whole mess with class...

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 15:35:12 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

Jun 20, 2018 15:29:23 GMT -5 @elidamanning said:

He put on a uniform so he definitely was a Giant. That said, it was time for the Eli era.

Was Brandon Marshall a Giant?

Sure, just not a productive one.

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 15:45:33 GMT -5 snyder55 said:

I always felt that Kurt Warner got the quick hook from being the starting QB to the bench in favor of a totally unprepared Eli Manning, and Kurt handled the whole mess with class...

He handled it with class because if he had continued to start he would've had an early retirement. 

[Fletch842]

once a Giant, always a Giant...

[Deleted]

Literally, yes.

But then again in hindsight I really don't think of Larry Czonka being a NYG, Joe Namath a Ram, Johnny Unitas a Charger, etc.

[JoeBigBlue]

Jun 20, 2018 16:13:23 GMT -5 @buriedinsnow said:

Literally, yes.

But then again in hindsight I really don't think of Larry Czonka being a NYG, Joe Namath a Ram, Johnny Unitas a Charger, etc.

Or Bavaro as and eagle oh christ.......

[Parademon1]

Or Jacobs as a 49er, ugh! I bet he hated being a 9er himself.

[TEM]

Jun 20, 2018 16:00:51 GMT -5 Fletch842 said:

once a Giant, always a Giant...

 Always 

[Roosevelt]

I don’t think of him a Giant if that is question.

[CrushGroove]

Nope. Warner is/was a Ram and an AZ Cardinal.

[Parademon1]

I'm sure Kurt would agree.

[Blue Hulk]

Kurt had a significant impact on Tom Coughlin's approach to his players. He was a Giant, although briefly, the impact was great.

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 13:43:45 GMT -5 Parademon1 said:

I really don't blame him for being bitter. He still had a lot of gas in his tank as a QB & the Giants kicked him to the curb while the team still had a winning record. who's to say if they don't keep Kirk as the starter all yr, that they don't make the playoffs that yr. Giants were 5-4 under him & went 1-6 with Eli. Led Az to back to back div title in 08'-09' & should have won that SB vs Pitt but his 99yd pick 6 at the half was pretty much the deciding play in why they lost.

In his 12 yrs in the NFL, Kurt only played 4 seasons (99-01-08-09) where he played 15-16 games but his record in those 4 seasons was 46-17, he was pretty injury prone during his career & it kinda reminds me of Phil Simms career. Phil missed a ton of games in his career due to injuries as well & yet still won 95 games.


in 14 seasons , Phil only played at least 14+ games in 7 of them but his record in those 7 seasons was 75-33.


Kurt & Phil had similar numbers career wise & with Kurt making it to the HOF, I really don't see why Phil isn't in either.


Kurt Warner stats: 67-49 32,344yds 209 TDs 128 Ints 1 SB title, 3 SB app & 9-4 playoff record

Phil Simms stats: 95--64 33,462yds 199 TDs 157 Ints 2 SB titles 6-4 playoff record

Granted , Warner was a 2x league MVP, led 2 teams to the SB including once when he was 37, hmmmmm?

Considering the fact that Eli won us two Super Bowls and Warner won us none...I'm perfectly comfortable with how the Giants pushed out the old man for the young buck.

Warner making the HOF is one of the most-controversial decisions in recent memory in Canton.  There are a LOT of people out there that question his credentials for such an honor.  Following is a list of NFL quarterbacks with more career passing yards than Kurt Warner:


Peyton Manning

Brett Favre

Drew Brees

Tom Brady

Dan Marino

Eli Manning

John Elway

Ben Roethlisberger

Philip Rivers

Warren Moon

Fran Tarkenton

Carson Palmer

Vinny Testaverde

Drew Bledsoe

Dan Fouts

Matt Ryan

Kerry Collins

Joe Montana

Johnny Unitas

Aaron Rodgers

Dave Krieg

Boomer Esiason

Donovan McNabb

Matt Hasselbeck

Joe Flacco

Jim Kelly

Jay Cutler

Jim Everett

Matthew Stafford

Jim Hart

Steve DeBerg

Tony Romo

John Hadl

Phil Simms

Steve Young

Troy Aikman

Ken Anderson


As for Warner winning a Super Bowl at 37...heck, Peyton Manning won one at 39.  Of course, Troy Aikman was out of the league by 34.  Some guys can play at a very high level for a long time.  Others hit a wall at a certain age.  It happens.

[Deleted]

I din't think of him as a Giant just like a lot of other players who were here for just one season...

As for him getting into the Hof.. I was happy because that should make Eli a lock..

[Zimonami]

Jun 20, 2018 13:43:45 GMT -5 Parademon1 said:

I really don't blame him for being bitter. He still had a lot of gas in his tank as a QB & the Giants kicked him to the curb while the team still had a winning record. who's to say if they don't keep Kirk as the starter all yr, that they don't make the playoffs that yr. Giants were 5-4 under him & went 1-6 with Eli. Led Az to back to back div title in 08'-09' & should have won that SB vs Pitt but his 99yd pick 6 at the half was pretty much the deciding play in why they lost.

In his 12 yrs in the NFL, Kurt only played 4 seasons (99-01-08-09) where he played 15-16 games but his record in those 4 seasons was 46-17, he was pretty injury prone during his career & it kinda reminds me of Phil Simms career. Phil missed a ton of games in his career due to injuries as well & yet still won 95 games.


in 14 seasons , Phil only played at least 14+ games in 7 of them but his record in those 7 seasons was 75-33.


Kurt & Phil had similar numbers career wise & with Kurt making it to the HOF, I really don't see why Phil isn't in either.


Kurt Warner stats: 67-49 32,344yds 209 TDs 128 Ints 1 SB title, 3 SB app & 9-4 playoff record

Phil Simms stats: 95--64 33,462yds 199 TDs 157 Ints 2 SB titles 6-4 playoff record

Granted , Warner was a 2x league MVP, led 2 teams to the SB including once when he was 37, hmmmmm?

I think if Phil doesn't get hurt the '90 season, and he finishes off with that SB win, he's in the HOF.  He also would have been a strong candidate for MVP that year.  I'll always appreciate how Hoss helped us win it all... he did a great job filling in, but I see us winning that SB a lot easier if Phil is in there. 
There's also perception. Phil is a number one pick and we didn't have a lot of success his first 5 years. Warner is the undrafted grocery boy who takes the NFL by storm when he comes in.
Unfortunate. I have always been a big Eli fan. If Accorsi isn't sold on getting Eli, Kurt probably stays and who knows what we do with him.
I appreciate that he didn't throw a fit when Eli was drafted. He was surely looking forward to being a Giant, and then Eli is drafted and the picture changes.

[KingCap88]

Warner played for the Giants for a short period, but I don't consider him a Giant the way I do players who were with the team long-term and became faces of the organization. That's not a knock on Warner. If he had been a Giant longer then I'd definitely consider him a Giant.

[Zimonami]

Jun 20, 2018 17:43:58 GMT -5 Roosevelt said:

I don’t think of him a Giant if that is question.

me neither.
My bud's wife works for Majestic/Fanatics and after Warner left he/she gave me a Giant jersey with Warner on it. I have never worn it.  Free to a good home.

[Roosevelt]

Jun 20, 2018 23:27:16 GMT -5 Blue Hulk said:

Kurt had a significant impact on Tom Coughlin's approach to his players. He was a Giant, although briefly, the impact was great.

I never got the feeling that Coughlin/Hufnagel spent any time analyzing Warner's game. It seemed like they developed their system and simply threw Kurt into it regardless if it was best suited to his skill set.

[Sarcasman]

Jun 21, 2018 9:55:39 GMT -5 Zimonami said:

Jun 20, 2018 13:43:45 GMT -5 Parademon1 said:

I really don't blame him for being bitter. He still had a lot of gas in his tank as a QB & the Giants kicked him to the curb while the team still had a winning record. who's to say if they don't keep Kirk as the starter all yr, that they don't make the playoffs that yr. Giants were 5-4 under him & went 1-6 with Eli. Led Az to back to back div title in 08'-09' & should have won that SB vs Pitt but his 99yd pick 6 at the half was pretty much the deciding play in why they lost.

In his 12 yrs in the NFL, Kurt only played 4 seasons (99-01-08-09) where he played 15-16 games but his record in those 4 seasons was 46-17, he was pretty injury prone during his career & it kinda reminds me of Phil Simms career. Phil missed a ton of games in his career due to injuries as well & yet still won 95 games.


in 14 seasons , Phil only played at least 14+ games in 7 of them but his record in those 7 seasons was 75-33.


Kurt & Phil had similar numbers career wise & with Kurt making it to the HOF, I really don't see why Phil isn't in either.


Kurt Warner stats: 67-49 32,344yds 209 TDs 128 Ints 1 SB title, 3 SB app & 9-4 playoff record

Phil Simms stats: 95--64 33,462yds 199 TDs 157 Ints 2 SB titles 6-4 playoff record

Granted , Warner was a 2x league MVP, led 2 teams to the SB including once when he was 37, hmmmmm?

I think if Phil doesn't get hurt the '90 season, and he finishes off with that SB win, he's in the HOF.  He also would have been a strong candidate for MVP that year.  I'll always appreciate how Hoss helped us win it all... he did a great job filling in, but I see us winning that SB a lot easier if Phil is in there. 
There's also perception. Phil is a number one pick and we didn't have a lot of success his first 5 years. Warner is the undrafted grocery boy who takes the NFL by storm when he comes in.
Unfortunate. I have always been a big Eli fan. If Accorsi isn't sold on getting Eli, Kurt probably stays and who knows what we do with him.
I appreciate that he didn't throw a fit when Eli was drafted. He was surely looking forward to being a Giant, and then Eli is drafted and the picture changes.

I don't think he's all that bitter and if he is, that's his issue.  He wasn't leading that team anywhere.  Ideally he would end up with a new team and system and better players, which he did.  That's fortunate for him.  it really worked out ideally whether he set that or not.   

As far as his being pushed aside, that's nonsense.  He was signed after Manning was drafted and clearly told that he was the new seat warmer after Collins refused that role.  

[Zimonami]

Jun 21, 2018 11:12:08 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Jun 21, 2018 9:55:39 GMT -5 Zimonami said:

I think if Phil doesn't get hurt the '90 season, and he finishes off with that SB win, he's in the HOF.  He also would have been a strong candidate for MVP that year.  I'll always appreciate how Hoss helped us win it all... he did a great job filling in, but I see us winning that SB a lot easier if Phil is in there. 
There's also perception. Phil is a number one pick and we didn't have a lot of success his first 5 years. Warner is the undrafted grocery boy who takes the NFL by storm when he comes in.
Unfortunate. I have always been a big Eli fan. If Accorsi isn't sold on getting Eli, Kurt probably stays and who knows what we do with him.
I appreciate that he didn't throw a fit when Eli was drafted. He was surely looking forward to being a Giant, and then Eli is drafted and the picture changes.

I don't think he's all that bitter and if he is, that's his issue.  He wasn't leading that team anywhere.  Ideally he would end up with a new team and system and better players, which he did.  That's fortunate for him.  it really worked out ideally whether he set that or not.   

As far as his being pushed aside, that's nonsense.  He was signed after Manning was drafted and clearly told that he was the new seat warmer after Collins refused that role.  

Thanks, Sarc… I forgot that he was signed after Eli was drafted... so, he couldn't have had high expectations for a long career with us.
(I forget a lot these days.)

[Sarcasman]

Jun 21, 2018 11:50:08 GMT -5 Zimonami said:

Jun 21, 2018 11:12:08 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

I don't think he's all that bitter and if he is, that's his issue.  He wasn't leading that team anywhere.  Ideally he would end up with a new team and system and better players, which he did.  That's fortunate for him.  it really worked out ideally whether he set that or not.   

As far as his being pushed aside, that's nonsense.  He was signed after Manning was drafted and clearly told that he was the new seat warmer after Collins refused that role.  

Thanks, Sarc… I forgot that he was signed after Eli was drafted... so, he couldn't have had high expectations for a long career with us.
(I forget a lot these days.)

I find that as I age, I can sim[ply say "I don't recall that" and most everybody gives me a pass.

It's like when my grandfather used to turn down his hearing aid whenever my Aunt was around.  She just figured he was stone deaf.  He heard fine, he just didn't want to hear her.  

[Zimonami]

Jun 21, 2018 11:55:35 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Jun 21, 2018 11:50:08 GMT -5 Zimonami said:

Thanks, Sarc… I forgot that he was signed after Eli was drafted... so, he couldn't have had high expectations for a long career with us.
(I forget a lot these days.)

I find that as I age, I can sim[ply say "I don't recall that" and most everybody gives me a pass.

It's like when my grandfather used to turn down his hearing aid whenever my Aunt was around.  She just figured he was stone deaf.  He heard fine, he just didn't want to hear her.  

hahahaha on Grandpa.
It has, for the first time, begun to have effect at work. I got a PO Monday and totally forgot about it until today when reviewing my e-mails to make sure I wasn't forgetting something.  Whoops…. sorry, we shipped a couple of days late..