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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:07:40 GMT -5
Giants were 5-4 when they benched him for Eli. Promptly lost the next 6 games to blow the season. Warner's last 4 games:
23/34 for 270 1 TD, 1 INT 3 fumbles, 1 lost with 6 sacks L 13/21 for 144 0 TD, 0 INT 3 fumbles 0 lost with 5 sacks W 18/36 for 195 1 TD 2 INT 2 fumbles 2 lost with 7 sacks L 19/30 for 193 1 TD 0 INT 0 fumbles 0 lost with 6 sacks L
With the #1 pick on the bench, a pick you gave up a kings ransom for, it is very hard for me to look a those stats and a 3 and 1 record in the last 4 games and not put the rookie in.
I was fine with the change when it happened. I was excited to see the new kid...the future of the franchise play. I was shocked at how bad Eli was. I think all Giants fans were. I think Tom Coughlin was. I doubt he wanted to dump the season.
I was relieved to see a better QB in 2005, but in 2004...he was beyond dreadful.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:26:13 GMT -5
Any QB would have bad numbers getting sacked 24x in 4 games. OL played a role in those stats, don't ya think? Not according the people who wanted Eli out, a bad O line means nothing. Eli was sacked 24 times in 4 games? He was sacked 31 times all season in 2017.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 25, 2018 21:37:06 GMT -5
Warner's last 4 games:
23/34 for 270 1 TD, 1 INT 3 fumbles, 1 lost with 6 sacks L 13/21 for 144 0 TD, 0 INT 3 fumbles 0 lost with 5 sacks W 18/36 for 195 1 TD 2 INT 2 fumbles 2 lost with 7 sacks L 19/30 for 193 1 TD 0 INT 0 fumbles 0 lost with 6 sacks L
With the #1 pick on the bench, a pick you gave up a kings ransom for, it is very hard for me to look a those stats and a 3 and 1 record in the last 4 games and not put the rookie in.
I was fine with the change when it happened. I was excited to see the new kid...the future of the franchise play. I was shocked at how bad Eli was. I think all Giants fans were. I think Tom Coughlin was. I doubt he wanted to dump the season.
I was relieved to see a better QB in 2005, but in 2004...he was beyond dreadful.
I remember a great sense of hope and excitement when Eli went in...and I remember how shockingly quick that turned south. He just looked awful, across the board really.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2018 21:38:59 GMT -5
Giants were 5-4 when they benched him for Eli. Promptly lost the next 6 games to blow the season. The team was going nowhere and Warner was not playing well Now, I remember! For a couple of posts there I thought I was remembering the wrong team in the wrong year.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 25, 2018 21:40:21 GMT -5
Any QB would have bad numbers getting sacked 24x in 4 games. OL played a role in those stats, don't ya think? I'm saying you can't look a those stats and the record in hose 4 games and think..."stay the course".
I am not blaming Warner as much as saying the change was very understandable.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:44:24 GMT -5
I was fine with the change when it happened. I was excited to see the new kid...the future of the franchise play. I was shocked at how bad Eli was. I think all Giants fans were. I think Tom Coughlin was. I doubt he wanted to dump the season.
I was relieved to see a better QB in 2005, but in 2004...he was beyond dreadful.
I remember a great sense of hope and excitement when Eli went in...and I remember how shockingly quick that turned south. He just looked awful, across the board really.
The first glimmer was the Pittsburgh game. Then the Cincy game was OK and the Dallas game just OK. Really it wasn't until 2005 when we saw what he might be.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2018 21:45:11 GMT -5
I was fine with the change when it happened. I was excited to see the new kid...the future of the franchise play. I was shocked at how bad Eli was. I think all Giants fans were. I think Tom Coughlin was. I doubt he wanted to dump the season. I was relieved to see a better QB in 2005, but in 2004...he was beyond dreadful.
I remember a great sense of hope and excitement when Eli went in...and I remember how shockingly quick that turned south. He just looked awful, across the board really.
Yeah, he was brutal. I don't think it changed anything about the season though. Manning gradually improved, although not much through the end of the season and Warner - like him or not - was a complete professional. Not just with Manning but with Coughlin.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2018 21:47:42 GMT -5
I remember a great sense of hope and excitement when Eli went in...and I remember how shockingly quick that turned south. He just looked awful, across the board really.
The first glimmer was the Pittsburgh game. Then the Cincy game was OK and the Dallas game just OK. Really it wasn't until 2005 when we saw what he might be.
All the more reason to be pissed off that the team squandered the opportunity to play Webb last year.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 25, 2018 21:49:54 GMT -5
The first glimmer was the Pittsburgh game. Then the Cincy game was OK and the Dallas game just OK. Really it wasn't until 2005 when we saw what he might be.
All the more reason to be pissed off that the team squandered the opportunity to play Webb last year. Amen brother. Well we DID have to preserve that 3-13 record. If they made the switch, we might have gone 2-14 and THEN where would we have been?
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jun 26, 2018 10:55:40 GMT -5
I really don't blame him for being bitter. He still had a lot of gas in his tank as a QB & the Giants kicked him to the curb while the team still had a winning record. who's to say if they don't keep Kirk as the starter all yr, that they don't make the playoffs that yr. Giants were 5-4 under him & went 1-6 with Eli. Led Az to back to back div title in 08'-09' & should have won that SB vs Pitt but his 99yd pick 6 at the half was pretty much the deciding play in why they lost. In his 12 yrs in the NFL, Kurt only played 4 seasons (99-01-08-09) where he played 15-16 games but his record in those 4 seasons was 46-17, he was pretty injury prone during his career & it kinda reminds me of Phil Simms career. Phil missed a ton of games in his career due to injuries as well & yet still won 95 games. in 14 seasons , Phil only played at least 14+ games in 7 of them but his record in those 7 seasons was 75-33. Kurt & Phil had similar numbers career wise & with Kurt making it to the HOF, I really don't see why Phil isn't in either. Kurt Warner stats: 67-49 32,344yds 209 TDs 128 Ints 1 SB title, 3 SB app & 9-4 playoff record Phil Simms stats: 95--64 33,462yds 199 TDs 157 Ints 2 SB titles 6-4 playoff record Granted , Warner was a 2x league MVP, led 2 teams to the SB including once when he was 37, hmmmmm? I disagree with the idea that keeping Warning as the starter would have given that team a shot at the playoffs. That team was just not good to begin with. They were 5-4, but were coming off of loses to some very mediocre teams, had suffered a slew of injuries, particularly on defense, and were about to enter the tough part of their schedule against some of the top teams in the league. The coaching staff was right to recognize that it was going to be a lost season, may as well let the rookie take his lumps. Kinda like that the coaching staff should have done this season with Webb.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 26, 2018 12:16:50 GMT -5
Being that they benched Kurt , we'll never truly know. Who knows, they might have finished 9-7 & made the playoffs. I don't buy the excuse that at 5-4 you throw the season. You are in the hunt at 5-4, you stick with the starter unless he goes down to injury, Giants did Kurt wrong imo. Kerry Collins was smart not to stay around for that drama. He was another QB that did good during his time as a Giants, leading the team to the 2000 SB & the playoffs in 2002. He threw 4 TDs vs SF in that game that the Giants choked away.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 26, 2018 12:49:19 GMT -5
Being that they benched Kurt , we'll never truly know. Who knows, they might have finished 9-7 & made the playoffs. I don't buy the excuse that at 5-4 you throw the season. You are in the hunt at 5-4, you stick with the starter unless he goes down to injury, Giants did Kurt wrong imo. Kerry Collins was smart not to stay around for that drama. He was another QB that did good during his time as a Giants, leading the team to the 2000 SB & the playoffs in 2002. He threw 4 TDs vs SF in that game that the Giants choked away. As a Giant, he sucked. He was a stop gap here nothing more and that’s what he signed up for. I agree we’ll never know because he was benched for the future due in no small part to his crappy play. Once he got to a better system for his skills surrounded by significantly better players, he flourished. That seems like a win/win to me. And I respect Collins for believing he was too good to be a seat warmer and leaving. Turns out he was wrong but that’s cool. I respect his belief in himself. And like so many other players the Giants have released, it was the right move. He was done.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 27, 2018 15:15:18 GMT -5
Anyone remember Eli's "welcome to the NFL" hit by an Eagles player? Kid showed right there & then the toughness he would display for the next 14yrs as that was a very vicious & brutal hit that woulda KOed many a QB.
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Post by gumby on Jul 6, 2018 12:28:51 GMT -5
I was fine with the change when it happened. I was excited to see the new kid...the future of the franchise play. I was shocked at how bad Eli was. I think all Giants fans were. I think Tom Coughlin was. I doubt he wanted to dump the season.
I was relieved to see a better QB in 2005, but in 2004...he was beyond dreadful.
I remember a great sense of hope and excitement when Eli went in...and I remember how shockingly quick that turned south. He just looked awful, across the board really.
I was watching the Raven's game at the bar with a friend who was a Raven's fan and he just turn around and told me that he felt sorry.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 6, 2018 13:03:11 GMT -5
Anyone remember Eli's "welcome to the NFL" hit by an Eagles player? Kid showed right there & then the toughness he would display for the next 14yrs as that was a very vicious & brutal hit that woulda KOed many a QB.
Eli has taken too many vicious hits over the course of his career. By that I mean linemen who are clearly driving him into the turf with the intent to inflict as much pain as possible. And usually the ref stands their with their head up their ass and does nothing.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 7, 2018 11:15:50 GMT -5
Nope
To brief a stay and with very little impact on the franchise also I don't recall him mentioning NY in his enshrinement speech either
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 7, 2018 15:33:34 GMT -5
once a Giant, always a Giant... ???
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 7, 2018 15:39:43 GMT -5
I always felt that Kurt Warner got the quick hook from being the starting QB to the bench in favor of a totally unprepared Eli Manning, and Kurt handled the whole mess with class... That's what he signed up for .... apparently so..
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Post by Parademon1 on Jul 7, 2018 22:37:46 GMT -5
IMO, Eli has never gotten as many RTP flags as do pretty boy Tom, Brees, AR & a few others. I guess his "never missing a game due to injury" rep plays a part in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 4:59:43 GMT -5
IMO, Eli has never gotten as many RTP flags as do pretty boy Tom, Brees, AR & a few others. I guess his "never missing a game due to injury" rep plays a part in it. he also never whines for one.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jul 8, 2018 6:14:17 GMT -5
True. Soon as Brady is hit after a pass , he's looking for a flag.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 8, 2018 8:31:10 GMT -5
True. Soon as Brady is hit after a pass , he's looking for a flag. Trying to get a call for his team is a bad thing?
I'd prefer that Eli would do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 8:44:23 GMT -5
He was the best QB to dawn a Giants Jersey....
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 10, 2018 14:55:34 GMT -5
He was the best QB to dawn a Giants Jersey.... I am fascinated by the pic in your sig. It's the fact that it makes absolutely no sense that has me transfixed. Is it suppose to be Eli in tear or Jordan? Are you comparing Eli to Jordan? Why is his neck white? Walk me through it.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 10, 2018 15:00:28 GMT -5
True. Soon as Brady is hit after a pass , he's looking for a flag. Trying to get a call for his team is a bad thing?
I'd prefer that Eli would do the same.
Really? I find it irritating that Brady whines to the refs every time he gets touched and gets the flag while guys like Newton get roughed up and get no flags ever.
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Post by Merc on Jul 12, 2018 14:11:08 GMT -5
He was a decent QB. Just not for the Giants.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 12, 2018 15:18:42 GMT -5
He was the best QB to dawn a Giants Jersey.... He may well have been; since I don't know what dawning is, I can't really say. And while he might be in the conversation as one of the top QBs who ever once wore a Giants jersey, that's a different question and certainly no slam dunk for him. As far as his tenure as a Giant - which honestly is the only part of his career I care about - he is in the running as one of the worst of all time.
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 13, 2018 6:47:46 GMT -5
He put on a uniform so he definitely was a Giant. That said, it was time for the Eli era. Was Brandon Marshall a Giant? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 10:34:36 GMT -5
He was the starting QB. The most accurate one we ever had. The Eli crowd has always felt a little threatened and resents this fact.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 15, 2018 10:53:04 GMT -5
He was the starting QB. The most accurate one we ever had. The Eli crowd has always felt a little threatened and resents this fact. how did the Eli crowd feel threatened. Eli was a rookie and no one knew what was going to transpire after that. He was just a place holder and thats is what it is. Kurt had a great career over all and the NYGs was a just a footnote for him .
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