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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 13:37:50 GMT -5
So funny, enjoy this thread and the initials rants against Gettleman back in March....now his moves look genius. Gettleman gets a King’s ransom for OBJ, then drafts a WR in the 5th round who outperforms Odell, plus he isn’t hurt every week like Odell. Hard to understand why anybody would want Gettleman fired.....thankfully it is very clear Mara and Tisch want him around for as long as he is willing...Unlike many on this message board they know how well Gettleman has done. The OBJ trade was the best move Gettleman made but he's made huge mistakes since obtaining the job. The funny thing is Gettleman's best move was made by accident. Only traded him because Beckham was embarrassing the organization and forced his way out. Meanwhile, Tisch was defending Odell to the Paparazzi in Hollywood. I thought signing Beckham to begin with was a mistake. ---- 1. Gettleman believed the team was good enough to "win now" with Eli manning. He called the narrative of those who questioned Eli's skills at 37-38 years old a "crock"........Gettleman was very wrong, the decision set the team back years. He should be fired for this alone but Mara agreed with him on it. Both Wrong. Dumb and Dumber. 2. Dug the team into the hole with roster mismanagement so bad, tens of millions of dead money against cap. 3. Bringing in washed up players - Jonathan Stewart, Bethea, Omameh etc. 4. Making Nate Solder the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. 5. Trading away draft picks for a run-stuffer mid-season (Williams) during a rebuild year. 6. Gave away Eli Apple and Jenkins even though our secondary is the worst unit on the team. 7. Reaching on draft picks. 8. 1990s drafting philosophy of "Run the ball, Stop the run, Pressure the Passer." Dave obviously forgets "cover the receiver". 9. Disbelief in analytics 10. Drafted a QB #6, after Mara said he hopes Eli plays the hole season and thought we could win this year. What happened to "win now?" 11. Stubborn and overconfident demeanor...did not strike as intelligent as Pat Shurmur. 12. Hog Mollies? More like Hog Follies. 13. Drafting a RB at #2...did not field offers for trades. Called it a "no-brainer". In a way... I agree with that 14. Traded away more draft picks for Ogletree when we should have been rebuilding. Ogletree hasn't lived up to his contract. lmao, this is some good stuff; this list reads like it was written by a student that is pissed off at his math teacher because he sucks at math.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 30, 2019 13:39:16 GMT -5
So much for the theory that the owner hires the GM and HC separately. Seems like the GM helps with the HC hire. I'm shocked Rivera wasnt more involved. me too, maybe Rivera and Gettlmen aren't that fond of one another.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 30, 2019 13:40:31 GMT -5
Regardless, I'm quite okay with Gettlemen, overall I think he's done a good job. Clean up some of the FA blunders and one might say a great job.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 30, 2019 13:41:31 GMT -5
I agree. It gave him time, but next year the rope Mara has given him will get tighter around his neck with every loss. That’s why I fear he will gamble and go after free agents to win immediately. Instead of investing wisely on key players. I want us to get better just as much as the next guy, but don’t just back the brink’s truck to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Instead of Jones we could’ve had Josh Allen and Drew Locke. But we don't so suck it up buttercup
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 13:47:06 GMT -5
I agree. It gave him time, but next year the rope Mara has given him will get tighter around his neck with every loss. That’s why I fear he will gamble and go after free agents to win immediately. Instead of investing wisely on key players. I want us to get better just as much as the next guy, but don’t just back the brink’s truck to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Instead of Jones we could’ve had Josh Allen and Drew Locke. We could have had Aaron Donald!
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Post by nygfanstrick on Dec 30, 2019 14:13:41 GMT -5
Mara is a bigger f***ing disaster than I feared for pulling this predictable move again. Canning HC while keeping an incompetent GM only to fire the GM and mismatch them with HC or can the coach to fit their needs.... absolute travesty They have to be a package deal.... Gettleman, Shurmur, Bettcher, and Hal Hunter should have all gotten canned if not more. I have no faith in this team at the moment and I’m legitimately unable to decide which team I’m more optimistic about the Knicks or Giants because they’re both pathetically run with no sign of change Why do they have to be a package deal? Because then you get a GM next year with a coach he didn’t hire and the cycle of dysfunction continues
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 14:34:23 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 14:35:48 GMT -5
Why do they have to be a package deal? Because then you get a GM next year with a coach he didn’t hire and the cycle of dysfunction continues Yeah, I don't agree with that theory.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 14:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 30, 2019 14:42:51 GMT -5
That was obviously recorded before they announced their support for DG, so not sure what use it is now?
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 14:59:02 GMT -5
That was obviously recorded before they announced their support for DG, so not sure what use it is now? I like Kim but she's swinging big and missing here obviously.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 30, 2019 15:05:31 GMT -5
That was obviously recorded before they announced their support for DG, so not sure what use it is now? I like Kim but she's swinging big and missing here obviously. Well, there are others in the media still claiming the new HC might determine if DG stays. Pretty sure that isn't true either, not after their statements today.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 30, 2019 15:06:08 GMT -5
The OBJ trade was the best move Gettleman made but he's made huge mistakes since obtaining the job. The funny thing is Gettleman's best move was made by accident. Only traded him because Beckham was embarrassing the organization and forced his way out. Meanwhile, Tisch was defending Odell to the Paparazzi in Hollywood. I thought signing Beckham to begin with was a mistake. ---- 1. Gettleman believed the team was good enough to "win now" with Eli manning. He called the narrative of those who questioned Eli's skills at 37-38 years old a "crock"........Gettleman was very wrong, the decision set the team back years. He should be fired for this alone but Mara agreed with him on it. Both Wrong. Dumb and Dumber. 2. Dug the team into the hole with roster mismanagement so bad, tens of millions of dead money against cap. 3. Bringing in washed up players - Jonathan Stewart, Bethea, Omameh etc. 4. Making Nate Solder the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. 5. Trading away draft picks for a run-stuffer mid-season (Williams) during a rebuild year. 6. Gave away Eli Apple and Jenkins even though our secondary is the worst unit on the team. 7. Reaching on draft picks. 8. 1990s drafting philosophy of "Run the ball, Stop the run, Pressure the Passer." Dave obviously forgets "cover the receiver". 9. Disbelief in analytics 10. Drafted a QB #6, after Mara said he hopes Eli plays the hole season and thought we could win this year. What happened to "win now?" 11. Stubborn and overconfident demeanor...did not strike as intelligent as Pat Shurmur. 12. Hog Mollies? More like Hog Follies. 13. Drafting a RB at #2...did not field offers for trades. Called it a "no-brainer". In a way... I agree with that 14. Traded away more draft picks for Ogletree when we should have been rebuilding. Ogletree hasn't lived up to his contract. lmao, this is some good stuff; this list reads like it was written by a student that is pissed off at his math teacher because he sucks at math. Funny stuff SM
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 15:09:36 GMT -5
I like Kim but she's swinging big and missing here obviously. Well, there are others in the media still claiming the new HC might determine if DG stays. Pretty sure that isn't true either, not after their statements today. When you can't think deeply, everything is simple.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 30, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know who Luke Diamond is other than he can’t spell. I will say this, Luke has a way of analyzing GM moves in a convenient vacuum that just cries out that he has no clue what he’s talking about.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 15:12:00 GMT -5
I like Kim but she's swinging big and missing here obviously. Well, there are others in the media still claiming the new HC might determine if DG stays. Pretty sure that isn't true either, not after their statements today. Yeah, I dont see that either. No way they let a new HC come in here and make that decision.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 15:13:45 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know who Luke Diamond is other than he can’t spell. I will say this, Luke has a way of analyzing GM moves in a convenient vacuum that just cries out that he has no clue what he’s talking about. Gettleman has been flip flopping on the win now / rebuild strategy though. I dont know who that is either.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 15:16:38 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know who Luke Diamond is other than he can’t spell. I will say this, Luke has a way of analyzing GM moves in a convenient vacuum that just cries out that he has no clue what he’s talking about. Yeah, nor I. He seems like just some attention starved peanut gallery barker on the 2% social media platform.
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Post by southerner on Dec 30, 2019 15:16:39 GMT -5
We should keep this thread going until Gettleman retires from the Giants......funny reading these clueless souls that hate him......because he does what is right and not what “fans” want him to do.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 15:22:09 GMT -5
We should keep this thread going until Gettleman retires from the Giants......funny reading these clueless souls that hate him......because he does what is right and not what “fans” want him to do. I wouldn't go that far. He's made plenty of questionable moves but pretty much all GMs do. I think a big part of it is that the media hates him so much because he craps all over them and most fans get their opinions from the media so they're naturally going to contain the same bias as they're filtered through that lens.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 30, 2019 15:24:03 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t know who Luke Diamond is other than he can’t spell. I will say this, Luke has a way of analyzing GM moves in a convenient vacuum that just cries out that he has no clue what he’s talking about. Gettleman has been flip flopping on the win now / rebuild strategy though. I dont know who that is either. Im not going to defend all of DG’s moves, he’s made his fair share of mistakes. Here’s what I would say He took the heat for signing and trading Beckham but I think that was above his pay grade. I think Mara wants to decide if he’s writing 90m in checks and was willing to take the money and cap hit because Beckham was acting like a horse’s ass. He drafted Jones. No more QB hell He drafted Barkley. Some would say that’s bad value. He was OROY last year and gained 1000 yards on a high ankle sprain with a bad Oline (which admittedly is on DG). I think Barkley is great. He’s had two of the most productive drafts that the Giants have had in the last 10 years. Essentially ask yourself if the core of the team is stronger now than the day he came in and I would say yes. The core is stronger. He’s made mistakes in FA and trades tho I think getting Williams, if he signs for a fair number, would be a good trade not a bad trade.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 30, 2019 15:24:59 GMT -5
We should keep this thread going until Gettleman retires from the Giants......funny reading these clueless souls that hate him......because he does what is right and not what “fans” want him to do. I wouldn't go that far. He's made plenty of questionable moves but pretty much all GMs do. I think a big part of it is that the media hates him so much because he craps all over them and most fans get their opinions from the media so they're naturally going to contain the same bias as they're filtered through that lens. How many GMs have his FA record? Hes horrible. Im glad he has the aid of the scouting department for the draft, though.
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Post by southerner on Dec 30, 2019 15:26:01 GMT -5
Luke Diamond.....sounds like a male dancer at a woman’s nudie bar.
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Dec 30, 2019 15:27:07 GMT -5
One thing we have to worry about with Gettleman is that he's not known for being a big spender in free agency and we have a lot of cap space this off-season.
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Post by southerner on Dec 30, 2019 15:27:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. He's made plenty of questionable moves but pretty much all GMs do. I think a big part of it is that the media hates him so much because he craps all over them and most fans get their opinions from the media so they're naturally going to contain the same bias as they're filtered through that lens. How many GMs have his FA record? Hes horrible. Im glad he has the aid of the scouting department for the draft, though. Actually he is very good, he isn’t perfect but no GM is. To suggest otherwise tends to expose one’s football knowledge.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 30, 2019 15:28:39 GMT -5
One thing we have to worry about with Gettleman is that he's not known for being a big spender in free agency and we have a lot of cap space this off-season. uh... he has spent big in FA. They've just been absolute trash decisions. Like Soldier & Kalil in Carolina. I wish he could evaluate talent as well as he thinks.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 15:29:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. He's made plenty of questionable moves but pretty much all GMs do. I think a big part of it is that the media hates him so much because he craps all over them and most fans get their opinions from the media so they're naturally going to contain the same bias as they're filtered through that lens. How many GMs have his FA record? Hes horrible. Im glad he has the aid of the scouting department for the draft, though. I agree, I can't and would not attempt to defend his FA signings. But I also don't play it both ways. I wouldn't credit the scouting department for the draft and then singularly blame him for FA signings. That seems capricious.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 30, 2019 15:30:11 GMT -5
How many GMs have his FA record? Hes horrible. Im glad he has the aid of the scouting department for the draft, though. Actually he is very good, he isn’t perfect but no GM is. To suggest otherwise tends to expose one’s football knowledge. To suggest he does not have a good FA record exposes my football knowledge? Please, tell me all about his good FA's compared to his bad ones. Show me your knowledge!
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Post by Roswell on Dec 30, 2019 15:30:32 GMT -5
Luke Diamond.....sounds like a male dancer at a woman’s nudie bar. That’s funny. Do you know a lot of male dancers at women’s nudie bars? 😎
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 15:31:09 GMT -5
Luke Diamond.....sounds like a male dancer at a woman’s nudie bar. That’s funny. Do you know a lot of male dancers at women’s nudie bars? 😎 Keep me out of this.
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