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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 9, 2019 7:12:19 GMT -5
Well if we could get a guy like Devin White at #6 and then Haskins at #17........I'd be happy.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 9, 2019 8:22:13 GMT -5
The article doesn't really explain why Haskins is slipping with so many GM's. That's what I'd like to know... Is it his limited starts and inexperience? That was known right from the start, and he seemed to have a good combine. So why?
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 9, 2019 8:38:03 GMT -5
Sounds like a team slipping misinformation trying to get him to fall to them (Cincinnati?)
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 9, 2019 8:42:26 GMT -5
Sounds like a team slipping misinformation trying to get him to fall to them (Cincinnati?) Good point, didn't think of that.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 9, 2019 15:04:31 GMT -5
They started reading my posts...hahaha
I decided that I would not base my thoughts on other people's opinions. I definitely listen to what reporters have to say, but ultimately, they all have their motives and the team uses their media sources to plant false narratives and smoke screens.
Anyone who understands Shurmurs offensive concepts will see that he HAS to prefer mobility over a pocket passer. You improve your OL play and extend plays. Haskins is playing dinosaur ball.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 9, 2019 16:43:58 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5
Book IT !!!
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 9, 2019 16:48:45 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!So. Raiders are taking Lock ? I heard a rumour today. Giants, trying to move up fo get Bosa . Again, just a Rumour.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 9, 2019 16:53:20 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!So. Raiders are taking Lock ? I heard a rumour today. Giants, trying to move up fo get Bosa . Again, just a Rumour. I am thinking a team like Denver or Miami goes into the JETS spot
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 9, 2019 16:54:36 GMT -5
Also Nick Bosa would be fine by me but I do not wanna deal with John Lynch in for 2 spot after hearing what he was offering for OBJ
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 9, 2019 17:10:54 GMT -5
Maybe they are now just realizing what I realized months ago... He just isn't a good prospect. Maybe he plays well maybe he doesn't, but I watch his tape and see a QB who has down field accuracy issues. I see a limited talent on the kid. I don't see superstar.
Murray is the ultimate boom or bust QB. Needs the right system and support to be a good fit.
These QBs don't do it for me.
The next 2 years are loaded with QBs with much better projections IMO.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 9, 2019 18:35:54 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!Good..let some other idiot team make that franchise Darwin award trade up Then its either Williams or Haskins falling to our lap
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 20:44:51 GMT -5
Haskins, for me, a game manager with no mobility and questionable accuracy downfield ... going over all his throws...they are all basically short passes to speedy receivers.
Not the year to draft a QB...and so much defense to choose from.
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2019 7:34:48 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!What does book it mean? I am lost on this whole sure thing concept when the variables are not or may never be defined. Especially when it comes with the NFL draft. If it was as precise as you say. The top network draft analysts would be able to pick the top 10 players in every draft. . They never do, not even out of order.
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 10, 2019 9:13:52 GMT -5
Giants need to go defense heavy in the draft & get a stud RT.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 10, 2019 10:28:37 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!What does book it mean? I am lost on this whole sure thing concept when the variables are not or may never be defined. Especially when it comes with the NFL draft. If it was as precise as you say. The top network draft analysts would be able to pick the top 10 players in every draft. . They never do, not even out of order. Means I'd bet a mortgage payment on this kid going early in a trade up scenario
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 10, 2019 10:33:10 GMT -5
Drew Lock is going top 5 Book IT !!!Good..let some other idiot team make that franchise Darwin award trade up Then its either Williams or Haskins falling to our lap Starting to look like we can land Haskins with the 17th pick now a days OBJ emoji
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2019 11:00:02 GMT -5
Giants need to go defense heavy in the draft & get a stud RT. Gettleman has a long history of finding really good starting o linemen in the mid rounds to waste an early pick on one ... Rounds 3-5 T Howard Max Sharping D Edward's. All will be available rounds 3- 5 and a few more that I'm forgetting that are instant upgrades st RT You don't need studs at every position on the line,get one or 2 anchors and the rest being lunchpail hard working high effort guys Our line from 2005-2009,Snee was the only stud. People say "the New England way "when it comes to their fetish for neglecting playmakers (the ultimate false equivalency argument because we don't have Belichick,Brady,Gronk or Edleman...all hall of fame at what they do) Name one stud on their o line.. We have our stud anchors in Fernandez and Zeitler..and both being guards it makes the entire line much better..
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2019 16:54:16 GMT -5
What does book it mean? I am lost on this whole sure thing concept when the variables are not or may never be defined. Especially when it comes with the NFL draft. If it was as precise as you say. The top network draft analysts would be able to pick the top 10 players in every draft. . They never do, not even out of order. Means I'd bet a mortgage payment on this kid going early in a trade up scenario If you are right . I will be surprised at the same time. happy for you on made the right call. I have been watching football for a long time. One thing I have learned in the NFL there are no sure things.
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Post by Easy E on Apr 10, 2019 21:29:00 GMT -5
The article doesn't really explain why Haskins is slipping with so many GM's. That's what I'd like to know... Is it his limited starts and inexperience? That was known right from the start, and he seemed to have a good combine. So why? Good discussion about Haskins between Steve Palazzolo and ex-NFL QB Bruce Gradkowski.
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 11, 2019 14:54:29 GMT -5
Q. Williams, come on down!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:59:01 GMT -5
Or maybe his stock was never that high to begin with.
Jim Nagy (director of senior bowl) seems to think Lock and Jones are considered better prospects by a majority of NFL teams
But this is also high BS season so maybe someone is trying to get him to drop.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 7:41:47 GMT -5
His signature game and most all throws were underneath...not impressed as Eli can do this until he is age 45.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 13, 2019 7:52:39 GMT -5
I don't want Haskins, not even at 17.
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Post by TEM on Apr 13, 2019 7:58:32 GMT -5
I do not want any of them in the 1st round.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 13, 2019 13:47:57 GMT -5
His signature game and most all throws were underneath...not impressed as Eli can do this until he is age 45. I see a qb going tbrough all his reads quickly and getting the ball in perfect places for optimal YAC I also see a qb many said was a statue being quite mobile and taking it on his own Looks like a Shurmer type qb to me to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 14:31:05 GMT -5
His signature game and most all throws were underneath...not impressed as Eli can do this until he is age 45. I see a qb going tbrough all his reads quickly and getting the ball in perfect places for optimal YAC I also see a qb many said was a statue being quite mobile and taking it on his own Looks like a Shurmer type qb to me to be honest I see a QB going to his first look receiver that the play was designed for, and a system designed on underneath throws/slants/screens to speedy outs ... and missing many deep throws (one nice wheel route in stride...the play was also designed for that). I see a QB that can not throw on the run, AT ALL I also see a QB that can not run effective, attempt to...and risk being injured every time his 5 second 40 takes off...the playcalling gave him the yards, not his wheels Looks like a pocket passing, non mobile game manager to me..... I also see the upside, and lower floor then a pure edge rusher, of Gary....and the importance of a right tackle that will eventually have to replace the overpaid cap chunk on the blinder called Solder, as we certainly want a vertical passing game (or do we in Shurmurs offense? ) ...passing that needs protection on the right edge as well as the left. I would enjoy you showing me in those throws, Haskins making reads...I see designed plays to specific targets that were wide open Amazing how a GM, scout and fan can see the same player(s) yet see completely different as to his skillset.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 14:49:13 GMT -5
Rosen > Haskins
I'd trade the 2 pick and get his 3 years of 6 million total owed all day long over Haskins at 6 ...
Haskins at 6 takes us directly into the flames of QB hell being we are a 50/50 chance of wining more...or less, then 6 games next year.
We are also on the cusp with the potential less than 6 games won at being in striking distance of 3 top talent QB's next year...that's a 50% chance at being top ten pick, with three franchise QB's .... those are odds I can live with, and a salary of Rosen we can also live with.
Once we go Haskins, he sits behind Eli, and then gets his tryout...while we watch better talents come and go.
...Rosen takes us to an intelligent attempt without any obligation at 6 million for a 3 year total.
We take Haskins at 6, we pay 25 million his first year....as a back up.
Cardinals already paid out the bonus to Rosen...
Rosen, better prospect and a hell friendly decision.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 13, 2019 16:23:26 GMT -5
He seems to read the coverage well, gets the ball put quickly, and is good with underneath throws, but i dunno he just REALLY doesnt WOW me. I wouldnt mind him in the 2nd, i guess, but DEF not in the 1st
Ideally we wait til 2020, if not we trade a 3rd or so for Rosen.
2020 class > Murray > Rosen > Haskins > Lock
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 13, 2019 20:25:26 GMT -5
He seems to read the coverage well, gets the ball put quickly, and is good with underneath throws, but i dunno he just REALLY doesnt WOW me. I wouldnt mind him in the 2nd, i guess, but DEF not in the 1st Ideally we wait til 2020, if not we trade a 3rd or so for Rosen. 2020 class > Murray > Rosen > Haskins > Lock I'm actually indifferent if we don't end up with Murray If we get a guy,fine If not...2020 with a more complete team around the new guy
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