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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 8:36:35 GMT -5
The Eli guys don't like Webb.....what a shock! I'm an "eli guy" and I like Webb. Holding on to the ball too long isn't a big deal. It's easily corrected. Look at Kurt Warner, he did it here and then corrected it with the Cardinals. holding on to the ball too long is likely one of the reasons he didn't see any playing time last year. That OL broke down immediately.
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Post by TEM on Aug 3, 2018 8:40:43 GMT -5
I'm an "eli guy" and I like Webb. Holding on to the ball too long isn't a big deal. It's easily corrected. Look at Kurt Warner, he did it here and then corrected it with the Cardinals. holding on to the ball too long is likely one of the reasons he didn't see any playing time last year. That OL broke down immediately. It to me now mind you Wheeler was his units LT . It seems he wants to throw the long ball even if his second and 3rd reads are available for him to get the ball out quicker. As MH said that is fixable.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 8:52:55 GMT -5
holding on to the ball too long is likely one of the reasons he didn't see any playing time last year. That OL broke down immediately. It to me now mind you Wheeler was his units LT . It seems he wants to throw the long ball even if his second and 3rd reads are available for him to get the ball out quicker. As MH said that is fixable.
Well, it is fixable yet those QB's with this issue often don't fix the issue. All the film study in the world doesn't always fix the cerebral discipline to read a defense b/c the arrogant arm thinks it muscle its way beyond any opposition with one big play after another.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 8:53:34 GMT -5
I'm an "eli guy" and I like Webb. Holding on to the ball too long isn't a big deal. It's easily corrected. Look at Kurt Warner, he did it here and then corrected it with the Cardinals. holding on to the ball too long is likely one of the reasons he didn't see any playing time last year. That OL broke down immediately. I'm sorry but the reason he didn't see any playing time was because Spagnuolo was desperate to impress the FO and was unwilling to play the kid for the long term interests of the team.
McAdoo had announced that Webb WAS going to play. He had every intention of getting him on the field.
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Post by TEM on Aug 3, 2018 8:55:26 GMT -5
It to me now mind you Wheeler was his units LT . It seems he wants to throw the long ball even if his second and 3rd reads are available for him to get the ball out quicker. As MH said that is fixable.
Well, it is fixable yet those QB's with this issue often don't fix the issue. All the film study in the world doesn't always fix the cerebral discipline to read a defense b/c the arrogant arm thinks it muscle its way beyond any opposition with one big play after another.
I agree sometimes it is not. I want to remain optimistic. I just do not want to see another 3rd round pick ……..
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 8:58:21 GMT -5
holding on to the ball too long is likely one of the reasons he didn't see any playing time last year. That OL broke down immediately. I'm sorry but the reason he didn't see any playing time was because Spagnuolo was desperate to impress the FO and was unwilling to play the kid for the long term interests of the team.
McAdoo had announced that Webb WAS going to play. He had every intention of getting him on the field.
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 9:00:27 GMT -5
Well, it is fixable yet those QB's with this issue often don't fix the issue. All the film study in the world doesn't always fix the cerebral discipline to read a defense b/c the arrogant arm thinks it muscle its way beyond any opposition with one big play after another.
I agree sometimes it is not. I want to remain optimistic. I just do not want to see another 3rd round pick …….. +1 - I like Webb
If Webb plays half as well as he speaks the guys is going to be a Pro-Bowler.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 9:05:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the reason he didn't see any playing time was because Spagnuolo was desperate to impress the FO and was unwilling to play the kid for the long term interests of the team.
McAdoo had announced that Webb WAS going to play. He had every intention of getting him on the field.
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
The original plan was to redshirt him. That changed when the season went south.
As I said...McAdoo announced that Webb was going to play. It was Spags who put the brakes on that since he was trying to earn the HC job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 9:11:39 GMT -5
Are you implying the integrity of my OP was bias? I would never question your integrity my friend. I would question your objectivity. Just as I'm sure you would question mine.
My view is that Eli needs to be a game manager from here on. If he does that he should function well in our offense. right now he's just a guy. Make the reads, throw the ball where he needs to throw it. Hope he gets time because he falls apart amid a pass rush anymore. I don't anticipate that changing. What we see in camp means very little because he knows he's not getting hit.
I hope Eli is a game manager the way he was during the Eagles game when Schwartz blitzed and blitzed him throughout the game but Eli held strong in the pocket and delivered strike after strike.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 9:22:48 GMT -5
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
The original plan was to redshirt him. That changed when the season went south.
As I said...McAdoo announced that Webb was going to play. It was Spags who put the brakes on that since he was trying to earn the HC job.
Respectfully, I don't agree with that at all. Mara helped create this mess and the damage control from the backlash was to keep Eli in no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 9:43:12 GMT -5
Saying he needs to improve in certain areas means I don't like Webb now? I'm sorry...It was just completely predictable.
In your own head.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 3, 2018 9:50:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the camp report TEM !!! )
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 10:19:13 GMT -5
I would never question your integrity my friend. I would question your objectivity. Just as I'm sure you would question mine.
My view is that Eli needs to be a game manager from here on. If he does that he should function well in our offense. right now he's just a guy. Make the reads, throw the ball where he needs to throw it. Hope he gets time because he falls apart amid a pass rush anymore. I don't anticipate that changing. What we see in camp means very little because he knows he's not getting hit.
I hope Eli is a game manager the way he was during the Eagles game when Schwartz blitzed and blitzed him throughout the game but Eli held strong in the pocket and delivered strike after strike. Eli being strong in the pocket would be a welcome departure from his current game. Let's hope you're right.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 10:20:35 GMT -5
The original plan was to redshirt him. That changed when the season went south.
As I said...McAdoo announced that Webb was going to play. It was Spags who put the brakes on that since he was trying to earn the HC job.
Respectfully, I don't agree with that at all. Mara helped create this mess and the damage control from the backlash was to keep Eli in no matter what. You don't agree with It? It's an empirical fact. He DID announce that Webb was going to play. What is there to agree or disagree with?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 3, 2018 10:35:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the reason he didn't see any playing time was because Spagnuolo was desperate to impress the FO and was unwilling to play the kid for the long term interests of the team.
McAdoo had announced that Webb WAS going to play. He had every intention of getting him on the field.
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
What I heard was Webb struggles under pressure, unlike Lauletta, who is much more poised and is better suited to escape pressure and make plays. PS - I heard that just after the draft.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 10:42:16 GMT -5
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
What I heard was Webb struggles under pressure, unlike Lauletta, who is much more poised and is better suited to escape pressure and make plays. PS - I heard that just after the draft.
Well we're used to that.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 3, 2018 10:56:12 GMT -5
What I heard was Webb struggles under pressure, unlike Lauletta, who is much more poised and is better suited to escape pressure and make plays. PS - I heard that just after the draft.
Well we're used to that.
The former, not the latter. lbGIpji
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5
Respectfully, I don't agree with that at all. Mara helped create this mess and the damage control from the backlash was to keep Eli in no matter what. You don't agree with It? It's an empirical fact. He DID announce that Webb was going to play. What is there to agree or disagree with?
Mac wasn't the coach and Mara clearly helped botch this up. This team could have gone 0-20 and Webb was not seeing the field b/c of Mara. The comical backlash and handling of Eli by both Mac and Mara send the Giants into damage control. The answer from Mara was to not only play Eli but to make sure the entire world knew Eli would be back. It's bad enough Mac was the scapegoat for all the misery of from this depleted roster but now to blame Spags is equally as inaccurate. This is all Mara and that's an empirical fact.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 11:18:25 GMT -5
Webb never even took a snap with the 1st team in practice so he was never going to play in a game. IMO, the plan was to redshirt him b/c he had a lot to learn. Leaning to read a defense is first and if you hold onto the ball for a long time it's b/c you aren't reading the defense.
What I heard was Webb struggles under pressure, unlike Lauletta, who is much more poised and is better suited to escape pressure and make plays. PS - I heard that just after the draft.
We're looking for ESTP. Pat Kirwin had either Niednagel or somebody who specializes in his work on the NFL Sirius Channel over a year ago. I reviewed the materials a lot yet don't have all the links on his work but the findings are fascinating.
Data indicated the ESTP personalities play their best under pressure. Despite the findings not being 100% objective they were skeptical if Webb has the personality to be a successful QB.
Please read the link and some of his findings. Pretty fascinating
www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/peyton-manning-ryan-leaf-june-jones-the-qb-book-excerpt-feldman-102814
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Aug 3, 2018 11:38:34 GMT -5
My opinion remains that they think Webb is a "Reese guy" and they don't like what they've seen from him or know about him from before the draft. They didn't speak about him in positive terms IMO and there's really no other reasonable justification for taking Lauletta. I bet by the time the opener rolls around Lauletta is the guy behind Eli. Shurmur is stuck with Webb, Lauletta is a guy he was actually allowed to have an opinion about. That pretty much tells me all I need to know, Checkers not Chess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:40:02 GMT -5
I’m going today, so I’ll give my thoughts a bit later.... Practice might be inside today because of thunderstorms... I hope it wasn't a long drive for him....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:42:23 GMT -5
I hope Eli is a game manager the way he was during the Eagles game when Schwartz blitzed and blitzed him throughout the game but Eli held strong in the pocket and delivered strike after strike. Eli being strong in the pocket would be a welcome departure from his current game. Let's hope you're right. Oh i'm definitely right like almost always. Especially with Eli. He will welcome the blitz like he did last year vs the Eagles with open arms and then sling it down their throats.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 12:14:09 GMT -5
You don't agree with It? It's an empirical fact. He DID announce that Webb was going to play. What is there to agree or disagree with?
Mac wasn't the coach and Mara clearly helped botch this up. This team could have gone 0-20 and Webb was not seeing the field b/c of Mara. The comical backlash and handling of Eli by both Mac and Mara send the Giants into damage control. The answer from Mara was to not only play Eli but to make sure the entire world knew Eli would be back. It's bad enough Mac was the scapegoat for all the misery of from this depleted roster but now to blame Spags is equally as inaccurate. This is all Mara and that's an empirical fact.
I'm pretty sure McAdoo WAS the coach. Maybe you didn't hear. He was hired as the Giants HC in January 2016.
Are we dealing with an alternate universe here? Should I provide the link where McAdoo, when he was the Giants HC, said that Webb was going to see playing time?
Would that clear it up for you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 12:21:33 GMT -5
Mac wasn't the coach and Mara clearly helped botch this up. This team could have gone 0-20 and Webb was not seeing the field b/c of Mara. The comical backlash and handling of Eli by both Mac and Mara send the Giants into damage control. The answer from Mara was to not only play Eli but to make sure the entire world knew Eli would be back. It's bad enough Mac was the scapegoat for all the misery of from this depleted roster but now to blame Spags is equally as inaccurate. This is all Mara and that's an empirical fact.
I'm pretty sure McAdoo WAS the coach. Maybe you didn't hear. He was hired as the Giants HC in January 2016.
Are we dealing with an alternate universe here? Should I provide the link where McAdoo, when he was the Giants HC, said that Webb was going to see playing time?
Would that clear it up for you?
Why are you picking on the guy when you invent false lies and labels regarding anyone who wants to see Webb improve?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 12:27:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure McAdoo WAS the coach. Maybe you didn't hear. He was hired as the Giants HC in January 2016.
Are we dealing with an alternate universe here? Should I provide the link where McAdoo, when he was the Giants HC, said that Webb was going to see playing time?
Would that clear it up for you?
Why are you picking on the guy when you invent false lies and labels regarding anyone who wants to see Webb improve? I'm sorry....What's a false lie?
Something that's true?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 12:39:52 GMT -5
False labels and lies*
Feel better lil man?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2018 12:41:33 GMT -5
False labels and lies* Feel better lil man? Actually I'm a little sore on my left side.
And may I ask what "label" I used that was false?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 3, 2018 12:57:13 GMT -5
I guess they must've had practice outside today since it hasn't rained or thunderstormed yet.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 3, 2018 13:01:23 GMT -5
Thanks TEM! Glad to hear about Flowers. I'm pulling for him. If only he would return the favor and pull for his OL
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 3, 2018 13:04:25 GMT -5
Mac wasn't the coach and Mara clearly helped botch this up. This team could have gone 0-20 and Webb was not seeing the field b/c of Mara. The comical backlash and handling of Eli by both Mac and Mara send the Giants into damage control. The answer from Mara was to not only play Eli but to make sure the entire world knew Eli would be back. It's bad enough Mac was the scapegoat for all the misery of from this depleted roster but now to blame Spags is equally as inaccurate. This is all Mara and that's an empirical fact.
I'm pretty sure McAdoo WAS the coach. Maybe you didn't hear. He was hired as the Giants HC in January 2016.
Are we dealing with an alternate universe here? Should I provide the link where McAdoo, when he was the Giants HC, said that Webb was going to see playing time?
Would that clear it up for you?
LOL - whatever. Blame Mac, blame Spags, blame everybody but Mara. Enjoy yourself
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