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Post by nick030567 on Aug 5, 2018 13:33:59 GMT -5
Not only that but most of those guys couldn't more more wrong on numerous topics. It's like they just say something stupid and outlandish so people tune in every week because it gives some good emotional stimuli for people to feed on while they watch them. Sometimes (when I still watched sports media; stopped about 4 years ago) former players talk and I have no clue how they ever succeeded because they're so off or so consistently stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:34:59 GMT -5
#2 pick SHOULD and MUST make an immediate impact....or we draft a QB. THIS^ is what it boils down to. And if he isn't a top 5 RB immediately, then what? Franchise implosion? What if Barkley has 800+ yards rushing with 5 TDs and 350+ yards receiving with 4 TDs, while splitting reps with Gallman and Stewart, both of which play well, to form a well-rounded and solid running game? Is that a bad season? Would he be labeled a bust? I'd be fine with that, if it results in winning football.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 13:35:21 GMT -5
I watched 'em. There were some interesting points made but ultimately it's just talk. I can see why folks don't want to dabble in the negative, as there is nothing to be done about it now. But the reality is that the pick can absolutely turn out to be a miss. Hope not, but it's a possibility. "Ultimately it's just talk" Really? I didn't know this. Wait, where am I? This is a FAN MESSAGE BOARD, I thought. lol, or an internet/radio/TV sports talk show! We’ve got hours to fill up folks! ps - sarcasm, really? get your own schtick, you don’t see me lifting your stuff do ya, lol?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 13:37:19 GMT -5
#2 pick SHOULD and MUST make an immediate impact....or we draft a QB. THIS^ is what it boils down to. And if he isn't a top 5 RB immediately, then what? Franchise implosion? Or we just move on like we’ve been doing for nearly a decade of missed picks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:42:51 GMT -5
THIS^ is what it boils down to. And if he isn't a top 5 RB immediately, then what? Franchise implosion? Or we just move on like we’ve been doing for nearly a decade of missed picks Please stop saying "missed pick". I'm one of those who believe our conscious and subconscious perceptions can affect reality. Hence the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:56:43 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. Bart made some interesting observations and we need to hope he’s wrong about them. Not only Bart Scott, but Chris Canty made some very good points along the same lines, and he thinks Barkley can be a 1500 yard rusher as a rookie. Danny Kanell is not a big fan, but I don't care much what he thinks. Point is though, former NFL players including former Giants are saying that the hype on Saquon is a bit too much at the moment.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 5, 2018 14:22:38 GMT -5
A lot to live up to with all the talk surrounding him. It's not like some of the those critics were bring up invalid points. Saquan will not be able to make the homerun plays as easily, running outside making a couple jukes and getting 30 isn't going to be as easy. I'm interested to see if he'll be willing to drop his pads and run over people for an extra yard or two and become more physical becuase he'll need to do that. He's obviously built enough to do just that, so we'll see . and I mean it's not like he even has a decent oline to help out.. so it's really going to be all on him. I'm expecting some struggles.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 5, 2018 14:35:20 GMT -5
I watched 'em. There were some interesting points made but ultimately it's just talk. I can see why folks don't want to dabble in the negative, as there is nothing to be done about it now. But the reality is that the pick can absolutely turn out to be a miss. Hope not, but it's a possibility. I don't think the pick will be a miss, and I don't think Barkley will be a bust, or taken too high. I think the hype for his rookie season needs to be tapered down because right now it's through the roof and if things don't go well immediately it could cause a stir of attention that absolutely can affect a player mentally. These are real human beings we are talking about. Fan hype fuels media and vice versa. Let's just be realistic. John Mara made this point not too long ago. He felt like the kid was getting too much attention.
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Post by Merc on Aug 5, 2018 14:37:02 GMT -5
A lot to live up to with all the talk surrounding him. It's not like some of the those critics were bring up invalid points. Saquan will not be able to make the homerun plays as easily, running outside making a couple jukes and getting 30 isn't going to be as easy. I'm interested to see if he'll be willing to drop his pads and run over people for an extra yard or two and become more physical becuase he'll need to do that. He's obviously built enough to do just that, so we'll see . and I mean it's not like he even has a decent oline to help out.. so it's really going to be all on him. I'm expecting some struggles. I'll wait till the preseason games to rate the Oline.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 14:51:42 GMT -5
Or we just move on like we’ve been doing for nearly a decade of missed picks Please stop saying "missed pick". I'm one of those who believe our conscious and subconscious perceptions can affect reality. Hence the thread. As you wish.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 17:11:46 GMT -5
Oh please, Mac and Reese were public enemy #1. Like I posted, somewhere between in the injuries and drama I think many forgot how mediocre, inconsistent and how many questionable decisions/throws Eli has made.
We defended Eli since he was drafted against the fickle who attacked him relentlessly. The Giants blew it with Eli for years as they managed to build Archie Manning's Saints around him. Now he's 37 and the org decided to build around a 37 year old coming off a 3 win season. That's risky.
It doesn’t matter who’s at QB, the Giants clearly needed to upgrade their Oline and their RB positions. i believe teams can upgrade both of those positions without going #2 overall on HB.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 17:13:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that ship did sail and the one in the port is battleship with and All-World Receiver, an HB which was apparently "touched by God", a heck of a weapon at TE, some nice complimentary weapons like Shepherd and QB with a decade and a half experience who raised by a QB father and can always speak to his HOF brother. If this battleship can't win then God help them. No excuses I don’t know, winning championships is hard. It’s like you’re describing the Chargers or Falcons above and what have they ever won? That Charger team was stacked with talent for years and never won anything and the Falcons remain so and have nothing to show for it. In my opinion championships are won in the trenches offensive and defensive lines, and the Giants are still deficient there. Bingo
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 17:15:25 GMT -5
lol - you've traditionally reached with this subjective and self serving summarization of what others post. It boils down to your own opinion which isn't even close to matching the reasoning why others post what they do. lol.....seriously? Let me lay down some knowledge for you. Outside of posting only actual stats, EVERYTHING is subjective. The point I was making is that, until proven wrong, people are in love with their own opinions. Even when faced with logical counter arguments, or even FACTS, they hold tightly to their beliefs. You set an arbitrary goal that YOU deemed fair and logical. Several of us disagree and I am merely questioning your reasoning. There is no way to prove your opinion right or wrong. So the logical process is to question how you came to this conclusion. In order for your logic to compute, every player we didn't draft would have to be put on the same scale. Therefore, whoever wins a championship made the right draft choice and all others were busts. I don't know what SB is going to in the NFL.....but certainly you cannot deny that IF he becomes what we all hope he's hyped to be, but NEVER wins a championship that he's a bust or a bad pick. Keep preaching that self serving portion of perception.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 17:17:10 GMT -5
Oh please, Mac and Reese were public enemy #1. Like I posted, somewhere between in the injuries and drama I think many forgot how mediocre, inconsistent and how many questionable decisions/throws Eli has made.
We defended Eli since he was drafted against the fickle who attacked him relentlessly. The Giants blew it with Eli for years as they managed to build Archie Manning's Saints around him. Now he's 37 and the org decided to build around a 37 year old coming off a 3 win season. That's risky.
Who is and would be the starter for the season, barring injury, regardless of who we drafted. Eli to start and and he's out if he faulters or the Giants red shirt a QB. Pretty obvious answer yet your narrative will try to bend into another bash fest
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Post by jb456 on Aug 5, 2018 18:33:39 GMT -5
#2 pick SHOULD and MUST make an immediate impact....or we draft a QB. THIS^ is what it boils down to. And if he isn't a top 5 RB immediately, then what? Franchise implosion? What if Barkley has 800+ yards rushing with 5 TDs and 350+ yards receiving with 4 TDs, while splitting reps with Gallman and Stewart, both of which play well, to form a well-rounded and solid running game? Is that a bad season? Would he be labeled a bust? I'd be fine with that, if it results in winning football. I would say this would be flop city unless Stewart and Gallman have over 1100 combined yards. This would mean the Giants are still having problems running the ball....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 18:43:08 GMT -5
lol.....seriously? Let me lay down some knowledge for you. Outside of posting only actual stats, EVERYTHING is subjective. The point I was making is that, until proven wrong, people are in love with their own opinions. Even when faced with logical counter arguments, or even FACTS, they hold tightly to their beliefs. You set an arbitrary goal that YOU deemed fair and logical. Several of us disagree and I am merely questioning your reasoning. There is no way to prove your opinion right or wrong. So the logical process is to question how you came to this conclusion. In order for your logic to compute, every player we didn't draft would have to be put on the same scale. Therefore, whoever wins a championship made the right draft choice and all others were busts. I don't know what SB is going to in the NFL.....but certainly you cannot deny that IF he becomes what we all hope he's hyped to be, but NEVER wins a championship that he's a bust or a bad pick. Keep preaching that self serving portion of perception. So far you're only argument is that I am wrong. Care to elaborate or is this the best I can expect from you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 18:47:10 GMT -5
Who is and would be the starter for the season, barring injury, regardless of who we drafted. Eli to start and and he's out if he faulters or the Giants red shirt a QB. Pretty obvious answer yet your narrative will try to bend into another bash fest You're kidding me, right? Eli will never be benched as long as he is here. He is under the protection of an owner who buckled under the public backlash last year. If Eli again under performs, the best you can hope for is that he will be released in the off season. Barring injury, Eli will be behind center all season this season. No matter how he plays.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 5, 2018 18:48:21 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. Win a championship when? Next season or just during SBs tenure with the NYGs? If Bart means next season then he is totally talking out his ass.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 18:50:07 GMT -5
Eli to start and and he's out if he faulters or the Giants red shirt a QB. Pretty obvious answer yet your narrative will try to bend into another bash fest You're kidding me, right? Eli will never be benched as long as he is here. He is under the protection of an owner who buckled under the public backlash last year. If Eli again under performs, the best you can hope for is that he will be released in the off season. Barring injury, Eli will be behind center all season this season. No matter how he plays.
Which is exactly what I've said in this thread including what the owner said. At little more effort and you might understand what I've posted rather than self serving inflammatory guesswork you're known for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 18:54:20 GMT -5
You're kidding me, right? Eli will never be benched as long as he is here. He is under the protection of an owner who buckled under the public backlash last year. If Eli again under performs, the best you can hope for is that he will be released in the off season. Barring injury, Eli will be behind center all season this season. No matter how he plays.
Which is exactly what I've said in this thread including what the owner said. At little more effort and you might understand what I've posted rather than self serving inflammatory guesswork you're known for.
So I'm suppose to research you before responding to a direct quote you made to me? Were you being hyperbolic or hypocritical when stating that Eli would be benched for a poor performance?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 5, 2018 18:59:46 GMT -5
You're kidding me, right? Eli will never be benched as long as he is here. He is under the protection of an owner who buckled under the public backlash last year. If Eli again under performs, the best you can hope for is that he will be released in the off season. Barring injury, Eli will be behind center all season this season. No matter how he plays.
Which is exactly what I've said in this thread including what the owner said. At little more effort and you might understand what I've posted rather than self serving inflammatory guesswork you're known for.
He's known for no such thing.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 5, 2018 19:06:32 GMT -5
Thanks no eye, enjoyed so many of those clips. SB might be overhyped but he is going to perform, don't know what some people expect but he is going to be worth that 2nd pick overall. Him and Beckham are going to help one another so much by not being able to just focus on one. As far as potential the sky is the limit. In the words of Bart Scott "CAN'T WAIT !
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Post by bringsimmsback on Aug 5, 2018 19:13:20 GMT -5
I watched 'em. There were some interesting points made but ultimately it's just talk. I can see why folks don't want to dabble in the negative, as there is nothing to be done about it now. But the reality is that the pick can absolutely turn out to be a miss. Hope not, but it's a possibility. I don't think the pick will be a miss, and I don't think Barkley will be a bust, or taken too high. I think the hype for his rookie season needs to be tapered down because right now it's through the roof and if things don't go well immediately it could cause a stir of attention that absolutely can affect a player mentally. These are real human beings we are talking about. Fan hype fuels media and vice versa. Let's just be realistic. This is the biggest reason I see for trying to slow the hype down a bit. Unfortunately, I doubt it will slow at all. If we are off to a slow start with SB not doing as well as expected, we can only hope his good character sees him through the likely backlash.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 6, 2018 8:29:19 GMT -5
how many #2 picks are not "over-hyped"..
these talking heads just need to blather about something. Its what they get paid to do.
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Post by mrmaad on Aug 6, 2018 12:38:11 GMT -5
Have to say taking a sabbatical from sports talk shows/radio until the first preseason game was the right move. I'm excited to see Barkley play but realize he will have rookie missteps. This guy, Brent Kollman through his analysis thinks he can be the next Ladainian Tomlinson. While I wouldn't put Barkley in Canton just yet, highly recommended his YouTube channel for his film room insights.
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Post by Merc on Aug 6, 2018 12:55:08 GMT -5
Have to say taking a sabbatical from sports talk shows/radio until the first preseason game was the right move. I'm excited to see Barkley play but realize he will have rookie missteps. This guy, Brent Kollman through his analysis thinks he can be the next Ladainian Tomlinson. While I wouldn't put Barkley in Canton just yet, highly recommended his YouTube channel for his film room insights. Well done video. Thanks for posting.
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Post by mrmaad on Aug 6, 2018 13:14:28 GMT -5
Have to say taking a sabbatical from sports talk shows/radio until the first preseason game was the right move. I'm excited to see Barkley play but realize he will have rookie missteps. This guy, Brent Kollman through his analysis thinks he can be the next Ladainian Tomlinson. While I wouldn't put Barkley in Canton just yet, highly recommended his YouTube channel for his film room insights. Well done video. Thanks for posting. No problem :-X
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 6, 2018 13:17:03 GMT -5
Have to say taking a sabbatical from sports talk shows/radio until the first preseason game was the right move. I'm excited to see Barkley play but realize he will have rookie missteps. This guy, Brent Kollman through his analysis thinks he can be the next Ladainian Tomlinson. While I wouldn't put Barkley in Canton just yet, highly recommended his YouTube channel for his film room insights. He has yet to take a snap in an NFL game and has never played against anyone but amateurs.
Let go a little easy here. Seems like a great prospect. But until he establishes that he can excel in the league, and stay healthy in the league, his future is still very much in question.
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Post by mrmaad on Aug 6, 2018 13:43:47 GMT -5
Joey Bosa at 59 seconds of the video amateur? He was taken 3rd overall. You may have a point with the 2 round picks the author highlights but they were drafter high. Not trying to change your mind since I'm in a wait and see approach with Barkley. I am looking forward to see him perform this Thursday.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 6, 2018 16:38:23 GMT -5
I’m on the train... This team has had nothing to be cheerful about. Outside of Beckham this team is tough to watch. Watching paint dry was starting to look tempting last year on Sunday’s
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