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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 20:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Merc on Aug 4, 2018 20:43:34 GMT -5
Hyped or not, Barkley will be a major part of this offense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 20:44:22 GMT -5
Why? What could possibly go wrong with fans being optimistic about our #2 draft pick? Our hopes or fears have zero bearing on anything. Either he lives up to the hype or he doesn't. Anything we say will not change that.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 4, 2018 20:54:40 GMT -5
Why? What could possibly go wrong with fans being optimistic about our #2 draft pick? Our hopes or fears have zero bearing on anything. Either he lives up to the hype or he doesn't. Anything we say will not change that. ...nor what any other talking head guesses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 20:59:09 GMT -5
I didn't hear anyone saying this about Ezekiel Elliott. The entire sports media crowned him a god before he played his first game. Some of these commentators have an obvious bias.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 4, 2018 22:25:13 GMT -5
Truth bomb on all the hype for Zeke. I didn't hear anyone saying he was overhyped but SB is? Lotta haterade being consumed out there by everyone not wearing a NY on their hat. If by zeroing in on completely trying to negate SB & the run game, a D stacks the box all game, Eli & the receiving corps will have a field day. And let's remember that they may negate SB by stacking the box with 7-8 all game, but what LBer or Safety is gonna cover him 1 on 1 in the passing game? SB is gonna get his 20 touches one way or the other & he will make a D pay via the run or the pass quite a few times a game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 22:38:22 GMT -5
Why? What could possibly go wrong with fans being optimistic about our #2 draft pick? Our hopes or fears have zero bearing on anything. Either he lives up to the hype or he doesn't. Anything we say will not change that. fine don't. whatevs.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 4, 2018 23:02:23 GMT -5
I watched 'em. There were some interesting points made but ultimately it's just talk.
I can see why folks don't want to dabble in the negative, as there is nothing to be done about it now. But the reality is that the pick can absolutely turn out to be a miss. Hope not, but it's a possibility.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 4, 2018 23:09:36 GMT -5
#2 pick SHOULD and MUST make an immediate impact....or we draft a QB.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 5, 2018 0:54:01 GMT -5
He is single handily going to propel the Giants into the playoffs... what am I missing...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 1:15:04 GMT -5
Why? What could possibly go wrong with fans being optimistic about our #2 draft pick? Our hopes or fears have zero bearing on anything. Either he lives up to the hype or he doesn't. Anything we say will not change that. fine don't. whatevs. Brilliant
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 5, 2018 3:19:41 GMT -5
Am I mistaken or did I see them measuring him for his bust at the enshrinement ceremony last night? just kidding, nothing wrong with being excited about a player with the kind of potential we rarely see.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 5, 2018 6:18:05 GMT -5
there is ALWAYS two sides to very story. How boring would be if every one though SB was not being over hypded ....
the opinions dont mean squat. What SB does on the field is all that matters.
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Post by TEM on Aug 5, 2018 7:09:35 GMT -5
I don't care what the blah blah heads say. I watched him run. He is exciting to watch live .
I can't take anything Steven A Smith says seriously . He is Skip Bayless without all the caffeine.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 9:32:41 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league.
Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 5, 2018 9:33:07 GMT -5
Theres a good argument to be made about the hype thing, but Bart seems more bitter about his second citizen standing while playing for the other team, for a guy who was a LB you would think he would have atleast touched on his versatility,wich is outstanding none of the backs he mentioned are close in that regard, when it came to depth I guess he forgot about Gallmen,Reggie bush think Bart better lay off the kush.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 5, 2018 9:38:40 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. if the QBs taken don't do any better then average,and barkely becomes just a pro bowl back it's wrong,if they still have to play in the 2 second offense and can't run the ball then I will bite, and I'm not talking about J ville they could stop Zeke with a very talented OL.
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Post by Jaydub on Aug 5, 2018 9:54:11 GMT -5
I watched 'em. There were some interesting points made but ultimately it's just talk. I can see why folks don't want to dabble in the negative, as there is nothing to be done about it now. But the reality is that the pick can absolutely turn out to be a miss. Hope not, but it's a possibility. It’s a possibility that a lot of people just refuse to acknowledge. There is no such thing as a lock for a kid coming out of college, no matter how good he was in school, or where he was drafted. It’s ok to be excited about him, but anyone who convinces themselves that he’s guaranteed to be successful before he proves it on the field is a damn fool.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 9:56:53 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. if the QBs taken don't do any better then average,and barkely becomes just a pro bowl back it's wrong,if they still have to play in the 2 second offense and can't run the ball then I will bite, and I'm not talking about J ville they could stop Zeke with a very talented OL.
It's about CHAMPIONSHIPS not stats. It's a QB league and when you pass on a QB with a 37 yr old QB who hasn't had a playoff win in 6 years you better win a Championship if you pass on a QB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 9:58:17 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. Like most things Bart Scott says, he’s of course wrong. It presupposes that getting a QB guarantees a championship during that QB’s tenure, which we all know it does not. The expectations for the Giants are no different that they are for any other team simply because the Giants drafted a RB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 10:00:08 GMT -5
if the QBs taken don't do any better then average,and barkely becomes just a pro bowl back it's wrong,if they still have to play in the 2 second offense and can't run the ball then I will bite, and I'm not talking about J ville they could stop Zeke with a very talented OL.
It's about CHAMPIONSHIPS not stats. It's a QB league and when you pass on a QB with a 37 yr old QB who hasn't had a playoff win in 6 years you better win a Championship if you pass on a QB.
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. If it’s about championships, which I agree it is, then you rebuild your entire crappy team, not just the QB position. And while I’ve read that statement often, particularly in the media, I haven’t actually seen anyone of them support the premise with facts or data ever.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 5, 2018 10:03:53 GMT -5
Oh..well....... if Colin Cowherd says he's over valued, then color me convinced!!!!!! Please already with what these talking heads think. Until Barkley plays his first game that counts, Cowherd can't possibly know anymore than the rest of us whether Barkley is over valued, undervalued, or anywhere in between valued!!! The only approach that makes sense at this juncture, is the "wait and see" variety. Cowherd should know this better than most, because he's a Tom Brady groupie, and Tom Brady is the poster child for why opinions about what a rookie is or isnt, aren't worth a damn until the games count in the NFL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 10:07:44 GMT -5
It's about CHAMPIONSHIPS not stats. It's a QB league and when you pass on a QB with a 37 yr old QB who hasn't had a playoff win in 6 years you better win a Championship if you pass on a QB.
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. If it’s about championships, which I agree it is, then you rebuild your entire crappy team, not just the QB position. And while I’ve read that statement often, particularly in the media, I haven’t actually seen anyone of them support the premise with facts or data ever. It boils down quite simply.........SB was not the draft pick this poster wanted. Therefore, anything short of a championship is a bust. Meanwhile, there is no guarantee that HIS pick would win a championship had the Giants picked him, but the "bust label" would not apply.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 10:09:37 GMT -5
Bart's best point IMO is the Giants have to win a Championship. Not a playoff game, a Championship. Otherwise, they blew a perfect opportunity to make a smooth transition from a Great Qb to likely a good one. It is a QB league. Win a Championship or, IMO, the Giants blew it. I don't care about a fantasy player or any other excuse. Like most things Bart Scott says, he’s of course wrong. It presupposes that getting a QB guarantees a championship during that QB’s tenure, which we all know it does not. The expectations for the Giants are no different that they are for any other team simply because the Giants drafted a RB.
It's about risk/reward not expectations IMO. We've beaten it to death.
You're paying a premium for a QB who has contributed to the mediocrity for years and pay that HB position premium dollars. Better win the Super Bowl b/c IMO it's much easier and less costly to find a HB than a QB.
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Post by KingCap88 on Aug 5, 2018 10:10:31 GMT -5
I expect Barkley to make his share of rookie mistakes, but he's just as talented as Zeke if not more so. More importantly, Barkley doesn't come with Zeke's off-the-field baggage so that's reason enough to be excited.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 5, 2018 10:13:57 GMT -5
It's about CHAMPIONSHIPS not stats. It's a QB league and when you pass on a QB with a 37 yr old QB who hasn't had a playoff win in 6 years you better win a Championship if you pass on a QB.
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. If it’s about championships, which I agree it is, then you rebuild your entire crappy team, not just the QB position. And while I’ve read that statement often, particularly in the media, I haven’t actually seen anyone of them support the premise with facts or data ever.
AGREE + 100%
This team hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years, won only 3 games last season, has a ton of cash allocated to a QB who is 37 years old and had the #2 pick overall. That's the perfect foundation for rebuild IMO. Get my cheaper QB young QB, draft linemen, find myself a less costly HB and have more cap dollars. To me, that's a game plan beyond the immediate future. The way the Giants went about it, I'd say that's a short term plan and a much higher risk/gamble.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 10:14:56 GMT -5
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. If it’s about championships, which I agree it is, then you rebuild your entire crappy team, not just the QB position. And while I’ve read that statement often, particularly in the media, I haven’t actually seen anyone of them support the premise with facts or data ever. It boils down quite simply.........SB was not the draft pick this poster wanted. Therefore, anything short of a championship is a bust. Meanwhile, there is no guarantee that HIS pick would win a championship had the Giants picked him, but the "bust label" would not apply. The QB position is a bubble. The bar for success for early drafted QBs has been lowered so much it’s become self fulfilling. In a different thread I listed about 6-10 early drafted QBs that are currently in the league, are considered franchise QBs and have won nothing. Yet ya gotta have one. Really? We need a Smith, Mariotta, Bradford, or Newton so we can pat ourselves on the back about our drafting prowess while not winning championships? Makes no sense to me.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 10:16:53 GMT -5
Like most things Bart Scott says, he’s of course wrong. It presupposes that getting a QB guarantees a championship during that QB’s tenure, which we all know it does not. The expectations for the Giants are no different that they are for any other team simply because the Giants drafted a RB.
It's about risk/reward not expectations IMO. We've beaten it to death.
You're paying a premium for a QB who has contributed to the mediocrity for years and pay that HB position premium dollars. Better win the Super Bowl b/c IMO it's much easier and less costly to find a HB than a QB.
I get the hypothesis, it’s the reality - that no one seems to be able to support with facts - that I’m questioning.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 5, 2018 10:18:55 GMT -5
I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. If it’s about championships, which I agree it is, then you rebuild your entire crappy team, not just the QB position. And while I’ve read that statement often, particularly in the media, I haven’t actually seen anyone of them support the premise with facts or data ever.
AGREE + 100%
This team hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years, won only 3 games last season, has a ton of cash allocated to a QB who is 37 years old and had the #2 pick overall. That's the perfect foundation for rebuild IMO. Get my cheaper QB young QB, draft linemen, find myself a less costly HB and have more cap dollars. To me, that's a game plan beyond the immediate future. The way the Giants went about it, I'd say that's a short term plan and a much higher risk/gamble.
I agree with this completely as well. But they didn’t do this and the fact that they didn’t doesn’t mean the opposite guarantees any kind of success least of all a championship.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 5, 2018 10:19:40 GMT -5
if the QBs taken don't do any better then average,and barkely becomes just a pro bowl back it's wrong,if they still have to play in the 2 second offense and can't run the ball then I will bite, and I'm not talking about J ville they could stop Zeke with a very talented OL.
It's about CHAMPIONSHIPS not stats. It's a QB league and when you pass on a QB with a 37 yr old QB who hasn't had a playoff win in 6 years you better win a Championship if you pass on a QB.
IF NONE OF THEM WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER,easy thats all I'm saying,I wouldn't have drafted a QB but I might have traded the pick they had a ton to do and the picks would have come in handy.
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