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Post by jb456 on Aug 22, 2018 10:13:43 GMT -5
IMO - This is a pretty odd conversation to be having about a QB, especially one that is 6-2 and over 220lbs. Not every QB is built the same. Look at Drew Brees a perpetual top 5 QB who is 6-0 and 206 lbs. Is anyone complaining that Drew Brees isn't muscular enough? (No, I don't think Lauletta will be anything close to Drew Brees).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 10:22:47 GMT -5
IMO - This is a pretty odd conversation to be having about a QB, especially one that is 6-2 and over 220lbs. Not every QB is built the same. Look at Drew Brees a perpetual top 5 QB who is 6-0 and 206 lbs. Is anyone complaining that Drew Brees isn't muscular enough? (No, I don't think Lauletta will be anything close to Drew Brees). We've literally had a dude thats rocked a dad bod since 2004 starting every game at QB since he was a rookie. Not sure why Laulettas body type is a issue.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 22, 2018 10:58:54 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL.
To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like.
This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL.
KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol.
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Post by giantsalmon on Aug 22, 2018 10:59:26 GMT -5
Some good points made on both sides. Simms and Kelly both "thickened" up in that era, and both were "stand in" type QBs. If you remember Simms came into the NFL a gangly kid. He was oft injured early on. He became a gym rat in the general conditioning sense and I feel it helped him in the durability dept. In contrast, physical specimens like Brady Quinn, Tebow, and perhaps even Nassib were jacked up more like traditional weightlifters and it did not help them secure long term NFL gigs, let alone a starting position. Lauletta is certainly an athlete. He seems to possess poise and smarts as well. IMO the Giants drafted him for value at that spot. They had not yet determined the future of Webb, and were simply looking to the future. Whether Lauletta becomes a starter or a quality backup it was a good pick IMO. It makes little sense to have the likes of Barkley, Beckham, Engram, Shepard, and even Gallman on your offense without a quality backup. The Giants may end of in the near future with both Webb and Lauletta 1 and 2. Certainly better than having a castoff as a backup. WAY better than having Geno and Johnson "battle" it out for number 2, SMH.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 22, 2018 11:27:05 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol. At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out.
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Post by Byron on Aug 22, 2018 12:09:55 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol. At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out. Damn weakling QB's ! we're doomed
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Post by jb456 on Aug 22, 2018 15:00:46 GMT -5
At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out. Damn weakling QB's ! we're doomed Lauletta can't even put up 25 reps and squat 500 lbs. How will he ever be able break tackles! Damn IT!
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Post by TEM on Aug 22, 2018 16:05:21 GMT -5
I did not believe anything will change what you think. That is an impossibility It was more about you challenging my integrity. I show some periodicals to defend it. That is all I did. Let me know when you have some solid information to save your integrity... So far you haven't other then change the parameters of the discussion to the extreme.. At this point anything link I produce you will dismiss and to be honest I do not care.
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Post by TEM on Aug 22, 2018 16:09:35 GMT -5
I am not arguing that. I am saying weight lifting that is not part a free range of motion regiment can cause more harm than good for throwers (Pitchers QBs) .One of the side effects or Weight training is flexibility loss. The point some are making. The weight training that most professional athletes are doing is not diminishing flexibility. You lose flexibility when you enter a gym and only do bench press, curls, and squats. Professional athletes are doing dynamic workouts that involve all sorts of different exercises that you don't see in an everyday gym. For QBs weights are an integral of training but for the purpose of strength and conditioning not to put on mass. As far the premise of the thread Packing on the muscle = bulking up . How is that flawed reading comprehension It is the title of the thread. That is the way you worded it.
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Post by TEM on Aug 22, 2018 16:28:47 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol.
I am curious , Why haven't the professional trainers he has, not done exactly what you suggest? If you are so correct in what he should look like. With all the expertise he has access to. Why wouldn't he and the trainers take the path you so eloquently laid out. Because you implied they know better. "They have professional trainers for this exact reason" The real question is. Do they agree with you?
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 23, 2018 16:36:40 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol.
I am curious , Why haven't the professional trainers he has, not done exactly what you suggest? If you are so correct in what he should look like. With all the expertise he has access to. Why wouldn't he and the trainers take the path you so eloquently laid out. Because you implied they know better. "They have professional trainers for this exact reason" The real question is. Do they agree with you? I bet they have. It's a progress. Your body doesn't change overnight. It takes time. Again, please have a clue...
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 23, 2018 16:38:15 GMT -5
The weight training that most professional athletes are doing is not diminishing flexibility. You lose flexibility when you enter a gym and only do bench press, curls, and squats. Professional athletes are doing dynamic workouts that involve all sorts of different exercises that you don't see in an everyday gym. For QBs weights are an integral of training but for the purpose of strength and conditioning not to put on mass. As far the premise of the thread Packing on the muscle = bulking up . How is that flawed reading comprehension It is the title of the thread. That is the way you worded it. Absolutely not lol. You jumped right to the extreme and started talking about bodybuilding and a whole bunch of stuff that no one had mentioned.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 23, 2018 16:40:01 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol. At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out. As far I can see, you had only mentioned Jimmy G. The reading comprehension point was clearly towards those who jumped to the extreme and started acting like some us were saying KL needs to look like the Hulk.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2018 16:40:34 GMT -5
For QBs weights are an integral of training but for the purpose of strength and conditioning not to put on mass. As far the premise of the thread Packing on the muscle = bulking up . How is that flawed reading comprehension It is the title of the thread. That is the way you worded it. Absolutely not lol. You jumped right to the extreme and started talking about bodybuilding and a whole bunch of stuff that no one had mentioned. So what does packing on muscle mean in your world? Strength and condition and packing on muscle are 2 different thing to me.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2018 16:49:39 GMT -5
I am curious , Why haven't the professional trainers he has, not done exactly what you suggest? If you are so correct in what he should look like. With all the expertise he has access to. Why wouldn't he and the trainers take the path you so eloquently laid out. Because you implied they know better. "They have professional trainers for this exact reason" The real question is. Do they agree with you? I bet they have. It's a progress. Your body doesn't change overnight. It takes time. Again, please have a clue... So he went through HS with a trainer. Went through College with more trainers. So why didn't Lauletta and those professional trainers not follow the nyg9289 Lauletta workout plan . Again the question should be . If you say he should do as you suggest , Why did none of those professionals agree with you?
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Post by jb456 on Aug 24, 2018 7:34:48 GMT -5
Jeez, what is the reading comprehension level of some of the people in this thread?? Whoever said Lauletta needs to look like a bodybuilder? NO ONE. To the people comparing him to Brees - Brees is two inches shorter and actually has a much more developed physique than KL. To those comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. Look at JG's workout photos with Edelman. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little boy, which is exactly what he looks like. This has nothing to do with having a dad bod or being jacked. It's about having a mature and well developed body to sustain a career in the NFL. Eli has that. Eli is 6'4 with pretty big arms and a solid frame. He's not cut, but he is absolutely strong and more muscular than KL. KL needs to get in the weight room and put on some muscle and develop his body. It is not going to hurt his flexibility or his throwing motion. They have professional trainers for this exact reason. Some people need to get a clue. Do you think he's just going in there to do bicep curls? lol. At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out. You know an argument isn't going well for someone when they start attacking your intelligence. Also, +1 for one of the funniest comments of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 7:42:48 GMT -5
For QBs weights are an integral of training but for the purpose of strength and conditioning not to put on mass. As far the premise of the thread Packing on the muscle = bulking up . How is that flawed reading comprehension It is the title of the thread. That is the way you worded it. Absolutely not lol. You jumped right to the extreme and started talking about bodybuilding and a whole bunch of stuff that no one had mentioned. He did that to fit his agenda to be the correct one on this subject... How comical is it when he does it again claiming the Giants trainers should already have him thicker in just a few months if they believe this should happen.. Seems like he believes in steroids since that's only way a player will develop in such a short amount of time..
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 8:49:35 GMT -5
Absolutely not lol. You jumped right to the extreme and started talking about bodybuilding and a whole bunch of stuff that no one had mentioned. He did that to fit his agenda to be the correct one on this subject... How comical is it when he does it again claiming the Giants trainers should already have him thicker in just a few months if they believe this should happen.. Seems like he believes in steroids since that's only way a player will develop in such a short amount of time.. I know tough questions suck Don't they. How do you and the OP account for his HS and college trainers not following yours and the OP's train of thought . It's real fact is Lauletta made it into the NFl without doing what you and the OP believe. That is truly comical .
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 24, 2018 10:25:39 GMT -5
He did that to fit his agenda to be the correct one on this subject... How comical is it when he does it again claiming the Giants trainers should already have him thicker in just a few months if they believe this should happen.. Seems like he believes in steroids since that's only way a player will develop in such a short amount of time.. I know tough questions suck Don't they. How do you and the OP account for his HS and college trainers not following yours and the OP's train of thought . It's real fact is Lauletta made it into the NFl without doing what you and the OP believe. That is truly comical . This makes absolutely no sense at all and is ridiculous. He went to a public high school in Pennsylvania. Do you think they had state-of-the-art facilities and professional trainers? He was also still growing then. Lol, again get a clue. And he played in college at Richmond, which is in the Colonial Athletic Association (you've probably never heard of it). They don't have insane facilities like the SEC. They don't have nutritionists coming in advising the players each day like the SEC. They don't have top notch trainers like the SEC. I played Division 1 sports in the Big East. My alma mater doesn't have close to the facilities/capabilities/programs that some of the big SEC/ACC schools have. You really have no clue about this stuff. And you continue to prove that. This has nothing to do with Lauletta making it to the NFL. What we are saying is common among all sports. Look at Lebron James. He needed to put on muscle when he got into the NBA, now look at him and where he is. There are a million examples in all sports. I guarantee you that the first thing they told Lauletta in his initial evaluations was "we need to get you stronger". Guaranteed.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 24, 2018 10:29:02 GMT -5
At first I wasn’t convinced but after insulting my reading ability and knowledge, I now see what you mean. Thanks for straightening me out. You know an argument isn't going well for someone when they start attacking your intelligence. Also, +1 for one of the funniest comments of the week. What's actually hilarious here is that you commented on a post where a poster misunderstood (probably due to low reading comprehension) who I was actually addressing about not having high reading comprehension, and therefore made himself and now you look dumb in the process.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 10:46:27 GMT -5
I know tough questions suck Don't they. How do you and the OP account for his HS and college trainers not following yours and the OP's train of thought . It's real fact is Lauletta made it into the NFl without doing what you and the OP believe. That is truly comical . This makes absolutely no sense at all and is ridiculous. He went to a public high school in Pennsylvania. Do you think they had state-of-the-art facilities and professional trainers? He was also still growing then. Lol, again get a clue. And he played in college at Richmond, which is in the Colonial Athletic Association (you've probably never heard of it). They don't have insane facilities like the SEC. They don't have nutritionists coming in advising the players each day like the SEC. They don't have top notch trainers like the SEC. I played Division 1 sports in the Big East. My alma mater doesn't have close to the facilities/capabilities/programs that some of the big SEC/ACC schools have. You really have no clue about this stuff. And you continue to prove that. This has nothing to do with Lauletta making it to the NFL. What we are saying is common among all sports. Look at Lebron James. He needed to put on muscle when he got into the NBA, now look at him and where he is. There are a million examples in all sports. I guarantee you that the first thing they told Lauletta in his initial evaluations was "we need to get you stronger". Guaranteed. Just hilarious.
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Post by nyg9289 on Aug 24, 2018 13:31:12 GMT -5
This makes absolutely no sense at all and is ridiculous. He went to a public high school in Pennsylvania. Do you think they had state-of-the-art facilities and professional trainers? He was also still growing then. Lol, again get a clue. And he played in college at Richmond, which is in the Colonial Athletic Association (you've probably never heard of it). They don't have insane facilities like the SEC. They don't have nutritionists coming in advising the players each day like the SEC. They don't have top notch trainers like the SEC. I played Division 1 sports in the Big East. My alma mater doesn't have close to the facilities/capabilities/programs that some of the big SEC/ACC schools have. You really have no clue about this stuff. And you continue to prove that. This has nothing to do with Lauletta making it to the NFL. What we are saying is common among all sports. Look at Lebron James. He needed to put on muscle when he got into the NBA, now look at him and where he is. There are a million examples in all sports. I guarantee you that the first thing they told Lauletta in his initial evaluations was "we need to get you stronger". Guaranteed. Just hilarious. And that's the response of someone who got taken out to the woodshed and beaten with facts in a sports debate.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 13:39:20 GMT -5
And that's the response of someone who got taken out to the woodshed and beaten with facts in a sports debate. Again hilarious . Keep it up I am enjoying this new unhinged approach .
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Post by jb456 on Aug 24, 2018 14:17:29 GMT -5
You know an argument isn't going well for someone when they start attacking your intelligence. Also, +1 for one of the funniest comments of the week. What's actually hilarious here is that you commented on a post where a poster misunderstood (probably due to low reading comprehension) who I was actually addressing about not having high reading comprehension, and therefore made himself and now you look dumb in the process. It's extremely ironic to question someone's intellect while communicating in sentence fragments. Also, it's painfully obvious that you are my intellectual superior. Let my embarrassing situation be an example for all board members.....
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 25, 2018 6:15:11 GMT -5
6-2 and 222 is pretty solid for Lauletta. They list Eli at 6-5 and 220 so he is skinnier
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 25, 2018 9:41:28 GMT -5
6-2 and 222 is pretty solid for Lauletta. They list Eli at 6-5 and 220 so he is skinnier
That can not be true. Comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. The fact that they’re the exact same height and weight doesn’t take into account the workout photo effect. We would need to look at photos of workouts and significantly improve our reading comprehension for that to be even be a remote consideration. And don’t even start with comparing their bodies, despite their differences in age, four years of development is largely meaningless. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little kid. Or so I have read. But don’t go by me, my comprehension is highly questionable.
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 25, 2018 20:27:41 GMT -5
6-2 and 222 is pretty solid for Lauletta. They list Eli at 6-5 and 220 so he is skinnier
That can not be true. Comparing him to Jimmy G - this comparison is not even close. The fact that they’re the exact same height and weight doesn’t take into account the workout photo effect. We would need to look at photos of workouts and significantly improve our reading comprehension for that to be even be a remote consideration. And don’t even start with comparing their bodies, despite their differences in age, four years of development is largely meaningless. Jimmy G is a beast and makes KL look like a little kid. Or so I have read. But don’t go by me, my comprehension is highly questionable. He's listed at 6-3 in a few places.
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