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Post by yoho on Nov 13, 2019 17:04:47 GMT -5
I would trade Barkley straight up for Jamal Adams. Now before the Barkley fanatics come out with there pitchforks and torches, this isn't anything towards Barkley the player. I feel Adams play at safety would impact the game more so than Barkley at running back. I might have to agree with this. For all that Barkley can do, what he does not do is run through defenders. He consistently tires to run around defenders. I’m not sure it’s necessarily to avoid contact, probably more to attempt to break the plays open which he sometimes does. However running through the defender probably gets him 3 more yards on a given play that we don’t get. On the other hand, if he runs like Elliot, his career will be shortened. We just need a better O-line. That will make Jones more of a threat, and that in turn will open things up more for Barkley.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 13, 2019 17:06:46 GMT -5
This is hot take city man. Just fix the Oline. Done. Thought they did that last offseason lol I've been following pro football for a long time and I had no idea how hard it is or how long it takes to rebuild an offensive line...
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Post by Miked1958 on Nov 13, 2019 21:02:19 GMT -5
Thought they did that last offseason lol I've been following pro football for a long time and I had no idea how hard it is or how long it takes to rebuild an offensive line... its been absolutely dreadful
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Post by Miked1958 on Nov 13, 2019 21:02:45 GMT -5
Thought they did that last offseason lol I've been following pro football for a long time and I had no idea how hard it is or how long it takes to rebuild an offensive line...
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Post by southerner on Nov 14, 2019 4:55:55 GMT -5
Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. I wouldn't go that far. He was expected to be better than everyone. I refuse to believe McCaffrey is any better. That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league.
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Post by redeyejedi on Nov 14, 2019 7:53:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the trade deadline has passed but here is an interesting thought. Trade Barkley because he's not good enough to overcome a bad OL.... I don't recall Barry Sanders having great OL and I recall him routinely turning nothing into something. Barkley did that rookie season and now I see it less and less each game. I see no difference when Wayne Gallman was on the field than when Barkley was on the field. If we aren't going to change the coaching staff, then move Barkley while he still has first round value. He is too good for this crap show. This is not about giving up on Barkley, it's about giving up on Shurmur....just to be clear. The smart move would of been to never take Barkley. We should of traded out for multiple first round picks. At the start of a rebuild our brillant GM took a RB
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 8:17:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the trade deadline has passed but here is an interesting thought. Trade Barkley because he's not good enough to overcome a bad OL.... I don't recall Barry Sanders having great OL and I recall him routinely turning nothing into something. Barkley did that rookie season and now I see it less and less each game. I see no difference when Wayne Gallman was on the field than when Barkley was on the field. If we aren't going to change the coaching staff, then move Barkley while he still has first round value. He is too good for this crap show. This is not about giving up on Barkley, it's about giving up on Shurmur....just to be clear. The smart move would of been to never take Barkley. We should of traded out for multiple first round picks. At the start of a rebuild our brillant GM took a RB Too bad we will never know how much better this team could've been if they did trade back. I was shocked they picked him and still disappointed with the current outcome. Maybe after another terrible year and a possible stud pick we'll see if he can make the difference with them winning so far the results aren't there..
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 9:10:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. He was expected to be better than everyone. I refuse to believe McCaffrey is any better. That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league. What's that reason?? Why even go there unless you are trying to push an agenda??
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 9:14:32 GMT -5
The smart move would of been to never take Barkley. We should of traded out for multiple first round picks. At the start of a rebuild our brillant GM took a RB Too bad we will never know how much better this team could've been if they did trade back. I was shocked they picked him and still disappointed with the current outcome. Maybe after another terrible year and a possible stud pick we'll see if he can make the difference with them winning so far the results aren't there.. I wanted them to trade back as well but remember the other party have to play ball too. We can't just assume that the giants could just trade back or even get the deal they desired similar to the Eli or Rg3 deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 9:22:37 GMT -5
Too bad we will never know how much better this team could've been if they did trade back. I was shocked they picked him and still disappointed with the current outcome. Maybe after another terrible year and a possible stud pick we'll see if he can make the difference with them winning so far the results aren't there.. I wanted them to trade back as well but remember the other party have to play ball too. We can't just assume that the giants could just trade back or even get the deal they desired similar to the Eli or Rg3 deal. The Broncos and Bills were in play for a trade and the Giants had the best chip you could've asked for. Recently in this cyber land of so much information it's being reported the Broncos offer 2 1st and a 2nd for the pick. Crazy but not out of the question.. Still should've made the trade with the Jets..
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Post by southerner on Nov 14, 2019 9:27:42 GMT -5
That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league. What's that reason?? Why even go there unless you are trying to push an agenda?? Umm...what agenda is that?
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 9:28:20 GMT -5
I wanted them to trade back as well but remember the other party have to play ball too. We can't just assume that the giants could just trade back or even get the deal they desired similar to the Eli or Rg3 deal. The Broncos and Bills were in play for a trade and the Giants had the best chip you could've asked for. Recently in this cyber land of so much information it's being reported the Broncos offer 2 1st and a 2nd for the pick. Crazy but not out of the question.. Still should've made the trade with the Jets.. Has this been confirmed or was it just a rumor?? Anyways I was all in on them trading back. Saquan is obviously a great rb but I rather have a top tier rushing attack with a solid oline like what SF or Seattle have and neither of their top rbs are in the top 10. It is what is though and we just need to keep on building around DJ and Saquan.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 9:29:59 GMT -5
What's that reason?? Why even go there unless you are trying to push an agenda?? Umm...what agenda is that? You tell us?? Why are some not accepting McCaffrey as the best rb?? Be direct with your answer.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 14, 2019 9:38:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. He was expected to be better than everyone. I refuse to believe McCaffrey is any better. That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league. What’s to face? He’s absolutely the best RB this year. Last year he wasn’t. Next year, who knows?
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 14, 2019 9:40:19 GMT -5
Yeah, the trade deadline has passed but here is an interesting thought. Trade Barkley because he's not good enough to overcome a bad OL.... I don't recall Barry Sanders having great OL and I recall him routinely turning nothing into something. Barkley did that rookie season and now I see it less and less each game. I see no difference when Wayne Gallman was on the field than when Barkley was on the field. If we aren't going to change the coaching staff, then move Barkley while he still has first round value. He is too good for this crap show. This is not about giving up on Barkley, it's about giving up on Shurmur....just to be clear. The smart move would of been to never take Barkley. We should of traded out for multiple first round picks. At the start of a rebuild our brillant GM took a RB Don’t most here agree with that? I think so. Now as to whether there was a willing dance party that was offering fair value back is another issue entirely.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 9:41:45 GMT -5
That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league. What’s to face? He’s absolutely the best RB this year. Last year he wasn’t. Next year, who knows? Fantasy Football Management 2.0....shhh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 10:18:07 GMT -5
The Broncos and Bills were in play for a trade and the Giants had the best chip you could've asked for. Recently in this cyber land of so much information it's being reported the Broncos offer 2 1st and a 2nd for the pick. Crazy but not out of the question.. Still should've made the trade with the Jets.. Has this been confirmed or was it just a rumor?? Anyways I was all in on them trading back. Saquan is obviously a great rb but I rather have a top tier rushing attack with a solid oline like what SF or Seattle have and neither of their top rbs are in the top 10. It is what is though and we just need to keep on building around DJ and Saquan. I hope they can accomplish a build around those players. Like you said it doesn't matter but we can discuss these past decisions of theirs which give me very little confidence this group can get it done.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 14, 2019 11:49:12 GMT -5
Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers. Jay all he wants is an opportunity to bait a response . His nonsensical banter is for that exact reason. Yep Not surprising another WHITE hot take by this poster(the stuff I told you about)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 11:51:41 GMT -5
To be fair, I'm a Giants fan first. I'm not against trading ANYONE as long as it's for the right price. No less than a 1st and 2nd, and that depends of where those picks land.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 14, 2019 11:52:01 GMT -5
That is your. choice, then fine......but McCaffrey is clearly the best RB in the league. His offensive line is mediocre at best, but his overall skills override any blocking problems. Let’s face it, I think we all know the real reason everyone doesn’t accept that McCaffrey is the best RB in the league. What's that reason?? Why even go there unless you are trying to push an agenda?? A WHITE hot agenda One o got warnings about when I all but pulled the sheets back on him
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -5
Has this been confirmed or was it just a rumor?? Anyways I was all in on them trading back. Saquan is obviously a great rb but I rather have a top tier rushing attack with a solid oline like what SF or Seattle have and neither of their top rbs are in the top 10. It is what is though and we just need to keep on building around DJ and Saquan. I hope they can accomplish a build around those players. Like you said it doesn't matter but we can discuss these past decisions of theirs which give me very little confidence this group can get it done. Oh no doubt that we should discuss these past decisions. My main reply to yours was that if it was confirmed or not.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 14, 2019 12:05:23 GMT -5
What's that reason?? Why even go there unless you are trying to push an agenda?? A WHITE hot agenda One o got warnings about when I all but pulled the sheets back on him Yea I think he's backing off now since I called him out on it.
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