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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 11:55:44 GMT -5
Personally, I hope this is not the case. I think Wirfs is more of a guard in the league from watching some of his film. Still could be a great player in the league, but not the impact player at the position we need right now for the OL which is OT and C. If this is the case, I hope we trade back to get some more draft capital and recover that 3rd round pick (or better) we lost and then pick him. I like Thomas better. And Wills has a similar value IMO. FYI Vacchiano was the one who brought Daniel Jones to the light last year and said DG was in "Love" with him and he wouldnt wait to the 17th pick to take him, for what its worth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 12:20:01 GMT -5
He's athletic enough for RT...imho. Not positive he can do left...but yeah on a tradeback. You for sure will hear his name very early day 1 ☺
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 12:32:50 GMT -5
He's athletic enough for RT...imho. Not positive he can do left...but yeah on a tradeback. You for sure will hear his name very early day 1 ☺ He was good enough this year filling in for Jackson early in the year He has always been up there with Thomas as 1a ..I think he actually prefers RT but will obviously play wherever needed. He has the athleticism and arm span to be a really good tackle in the league, Freakish athlete for his position as well.. I would be very happy if he is our guy,preferably with a trade back. And besides Wife He just sounds like an o lineman (cue the booger/Madden impersonation)
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2020 12:38:11 GMT -5
As long as he doesn't fall so in love that he refuses to pick up the phone and listen to trade-back offers.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 12:44:27 GMT -5
As long as he doesn't fall so in love that he refuses to pick up the phone and listen to trade-back offers. I think/hope that the only way this happens is if Young falls to us
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 13:18:13 GMT -5
I don't get what the worry is about Wills Thomas or Thomas Wills then Wirfs they are the top 3 in the draft . Wills has shot up to top 5 hopefully he can trade back and get one of them but if the trade is to far he can't risk losing the one they want. I don't give a rats ass this line has struggled long enough time for young new pissed off blood.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 13:24:24 GMT -5
He's athletic enough for RT...imho. Not positive he can do left...but yeah on a tradeback. You for sure will hear his name very early day 1 ☺ He was good enough this year filling in for Jackson early in the year He has always been up there with Thomas as 1a ..I think he actually prefers RT but will obviously play wherever needed. He has the athleticism and arm span to be a really good tackle in the league, Freakish athlete for his position as well.. I would be very happy if he is our guy,preferably with a trade back. And besides Wife He just sounds like an o lineman (cue the booger/Madden impersonation) At this point in the league right tackles see as much of the #1 pass rusher from the opposing team as the left tackle sees. or his counter part that is equal in ability. If DG sees anyone of these guys as a10 year tackle and feels his trade down options are to far he should pull the trigger.
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 21, 2020 13:34:56 GMT -5
I don't get what the worry is about Wills Thomas or Thomas Wills then Wirfs they are the top 3 in the draft . Wills has shot up to top 5 hopefully he can trade back and get one of them but if the trade is to far he can't risk losing the one they want. I don't give a rats ass this line has struggled long enough time for young new pissed off blood. wills has never played the left side, plenty to worry about. If they go OT at 4 he better be a plug and play day one starter at LT, period.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 13:49:12 GMT -5
I don't get what the worry is about Wills Thomas or Thomas Wills then Wirfs they are the top 3 in the draft . Wills has shot up to top 5 hopefully he can trade back and get one of them but if the trade is to far he can't risk losing the one they want. I don't give a rats ass this line has struggled long enough time for young new pissed off blood. wills has never played the left side, plenty to worry about. If they go OT at 4 he better be a plug and play day one starter at LT, period. Who ever they draft is playing the right side first. Those 3 are all day one starters. Solder is getting paid to much he is there this year who ever they draft will be on the right side first. unless Solder fails miserably I think he will get back to his above average to slightly above average play if he is healthy and it seems his sons health is better as well.
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 21, 2020 13:50:22 GMT -5
Kid is 6’5 325, owns the weight room, champion wrestler, and will run 4.79. Pulling, second level, and screen blocking (think Barkley here) are all outstanding. I’d be fine with him in blue. Obviously some extenuating circumstances apply.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 13:50:30 GMT -5
He's athletic enough for RT...imho. Not positive he can do left...but yeah on a tradeback. You for sure will hear his name very early day 1 ☺ Aris your needed on isle #8 lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 13:55:42 GMT -5
Kid is 6’5 325, owns the weight room, champion wrestler, and will run 4.79. Pulling, second level, and screen blocking (think Barkley here) are all outstanding. I’d be fine with him in blue. Obviously some extenuating circumstances apply. I have 0 problem with trade down at all I want it but if the right teams don't come calling then I say no take who you love and move on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 14:04:51 GMT -5
Heres what will piss me off if they trade down with say the Raiders and end up with none of the top 3 tackles. This OL crap has gone on long enough they are better then they were but they need to finish this off.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 21, 2020 14:21:31 GMT -5
I don't get what the worry is about Wills Thomas or Thomas Wills then Wirfs they are the top 3 in the draft . Wills has shot up to top 5 hopefully he can trade back and get one of them but if the trade is to far he can't risk losing the one they want. I don't give a rats ass this line has struggled long enough time for young new pissed off blood. wills has never played the left side, plenty to worry about. If they go OT at 4 he better be a plug and play day one starter at LT, period. Has that ever happened?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 14:44:18 GMT -5
Who ever they end up with if it's a tackle will end up next a consummate pro in Zietler couldn't think of a better guy to bring a young kid along. Wirfs next to Zietler looks and has the feel of punishing.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 21, 2020 17:00:29 GMT -5
If we trade back and get him....then great. If DG over drafts because of another man crush, then I'd be pissed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 17:14:15 GMT -5
If we trade back and get him....then great. If DG over drafts because of another man crush, then I'd be pissed. Argument sake What if the staff,especially Columbo absolutely love this guy?
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 21, 2020 18:51:33 GMT -5
This isn't the OT I wanted, Gettleman is a fool he should be fired.
I rate Wirfs 3rd and if we had room at OG I would sign him and worst case if he didn't work out at OT I would slide him inside. We are booked at OG so if he doesn't work as an OT we are kind of screwed. I will say this about Wirfs, of the top 4 OTs he has the best feet of the group. Very smooth tackle. Depending where he goes he could be a RT or "just" a really good OG.
I also don't believe anything I hear this time of year. Now the last two years DG was very upfront about how he felt about the guys he drafted and raved about both ahead of time. That makes me think this is a smoke screen even more lol. He says he loves Wirfs, Detroit trades their pick to Miami and we take our real target Simmons/Okudah/Thomas/Becton.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 21, 2020 18:53:10 GMT -5
If we trade back and get him....then great. If DG over drafts because of another man crush, then I'd be pissed. WTF is over draft?
If he picks this guy at #4 and he is an All Pro will you be upset? The only reason to be upset with a draft pick is if the guy isn't a good player. Just like Jones, it doesn't matter that people think we could have traded back, if Jones is a great QB no one will remember we didn't trade back.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 21, 2020 18:54:17 GMT -5
wills has never played the left side, plenty to worry about. If they go OT at 4 he better be a plug and play day one starter at LT, period. Has that ever happened? Yes but rare and probably not going to happen this year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 19:04:19 GMT -5
If we trade back and get him....then great. If DG over drafts because of another man crush, then I'd be pissed. Argument sake What if the staff,especially Columbo absolutely love this guy? How could he over draft any of them they are saying all of them will be gone between pick 4 and 10, he hasn't over drafted or reached yet.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 19:11:48 GMT -5
This isn't the OT I wanted, Gettleman is a fool he should be fired.
I rate Wirfs 3rd and if we had room at OG I would sign him and worst case if he didn't work out at OT I would slide him inside. We are booked at OG so if he doesn't work as an OT we are kind of screwed. I will say this about Wirfs, of the top 4 OTs he has the best feet of the group. Very smooth tackle. Depending where he goes he could be a RT or "just" a really good OG.
I also don't believe anything I hear this time of year. Now the last two years DG was very upfront about how he felt about the guys he drafted and raved about both ahead of time. That makes me think this is a smoke screen even more lol. He says he loves Wirfs, Detroit trades their pick to Miami and we take our real target Simmons/Okudah/Thomas/Becton.
I don't know I just watched a some film on Wills that guy has great feet and is smooth, I think maybe meaner then all fo them he is a man amongst boys clearing space a semi can run through. one of the guys breaking him down said he thinks he can transition to LT and thought maybe the reason they kept him on the right is Tua is a lefty. what I saw was an over powering big dude that moves well and has 0 mercy on anyone, he is sure to inflict as much damage as possible on his opponents starting to like him most.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 19:40:01 GMT -5
Kid is 6’5 325, owns the weight room, champion wrestler, and will run 4.79. Pulling, second level, and screen blocking (think Barkley here) are all outstanding. I’d be fine with him in blue. Obviously some extenuating circumstances apply. Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 19:47:00 GMT -5
Kid is 6’5 325, owns the weight room, champion wrestler, and will run 4.79. Pulling, second level, and screen blocking (think Barkley here) are all outstanding. I’d be fine with him in blue. Obviously some extenuating circumstances apply. Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6. Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 19:51:59 GMT -5
Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6. Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from? Projection. Most analysts predict he will be much better suited inside. Maybe OTs in college are. Brandon Scherff comes to mind lately.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 19:54:18 GMT -5
Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from? Projection. Most analysts predict he will be much better suited inside. Maybe OTs in college are. Brandon Scherff comes to mind lately. What most analysts? I've seen pretty much him probected to be a really good RT and potential good LT..
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 21, 2020 19:57:07 GMT -5
Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6. Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from? Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 20:03:46 GMT -5
Projection. Most analysts predict he will be much better suited inside. Maybe OTs in college are. Brandon Scherff comes to mind lately. What most analysts? I've seen pretty much him probected to be a really good RT and potential good LT.. "Wirfs typically dominated his competition. He offers good power and anchors well. He did, however, have his hiccups against speed rushers, which has some NFL draft scouts believing he'd be better off inside at guard at the NFL. But where he ultimately does lineup could very well depend on the type of blocking scheme the NFL team that takes him decides to run." Ironically this article talks about him to the Giants as a RT. www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/draft-prospect-preview-ot-tristan-wirfs-iowa
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 20:04:19 GMT -5
Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from? Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
Short arms* I also have not seen this anywhere
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 20:05:27 GMT -5
Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
Short arms* I also have not seen this anywhere We will definitly know more after the combine.
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