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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 20:06:50 GMT -5
Short arms* I also have not seen this anywhere We will definitly know more after the combine. Exactly
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 21, 2020 20:19:15 GMT -5
Wirfs is definitely one of the OT's that is listed as a great prospect. Plus he played at Iowa OL University. How many great OL in the NFL came out of Iowa. If we can trade back and still get Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, or even the human mountain Becton. I think that would be a coup on our part. I don't care one bit what side he plays on.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 20:22:55 GMT -5
Wirfs is definitely one of the OT's that is listed as a great prospect. Plus he played at Iowa OL University. How many great OL in the NFL came out of Iowa. If we can trade back and still get Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, or even the human mountain Becton. I think that would be a coup on our part. I don't care one bit what side he plays on. Look at who we face over RT twice a year Lawrence Graham We will see Mack again(he plays over RT) You can't hide a poor pass blocker on the right side anymore..
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 21, 2020 21:05:37 GMT -5
Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
Short arms* I also have not seen this anywhere Read more scouting reports.
That is one of many times it has been said about him. Not saying it's true or that they are too short to play OT but that is why some people say he should play OG. Keep in mind teams do what they want and won't feel a need to stick him at OG because online scouts said his arms are short. Just explaining where that thought comes from.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 21, 2020 21:17:31 GMT -5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 22:58:33 GMT -5
Where is all this nincompoople that he is a guarrd coming from? Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
I'm sticking with Wills as #1 some have Becton as #2 Thomas as #3 and Wirfs at #4 this is the order I have seen most but most people think they will all be gone quick. The GMs and teams have a lot more info then the people making this predictions.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 23:00:17 GMT -5
Wirfs is definitely one of the OT's that is listed as a great prospect. Plus he played at Iowa OL University. How many great OL in the NFL came out of Iowa. If we can trade back and still get Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, or even the human mountain Becton. I think that would be a coup on our part. I don't care one bit what side he plays on. I don't think they can trust going back much farther then 10 or 11 and still getting one of these guys or one of the top 2.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2020 23:00:33 GMT -5
Short arms and the knock on him is he has a poor punch (pretty much the opposite of Thomas and Becton). The thought is since his biggest struggles come from missing his punch that if he is playing OG he won't have to deal with a moving target as much which would maximize his skills.
All depends on the team he ends up on.
I'm sticking with Wills as #1 some have Becton as #2 Thomas as #3 and Wirfs at #4 this is the order I have seen most but most people think they will all be gone quick. The GMs and teams have a lot more info then the people making this predictions. I'm still Thomas 1 Wirfs 2 Wills 3 Until proven otherwise
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 23:03:45 GMT -5
I'm sticking with Wills as #1 some have Becton as #2 Thomas as #3 and Wirfs at #4 this is the order I have seen most but most people think they will all be gone quick. The GMs and teams have a lot more info then the people making this predictions. I'm still Thomas 1 Wirfs 2 Wills 3 Until proven otherwise I have to watch Wirfs and Thomas and Becton next Wills destroys people and had no problem mirroring speed nor power once locked on rep over with him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 21, 2020 23:21:58 GMT -5
Kid is 6’5 325, owns the weight room, champion wrestler, and will run 4.79. Pulling, second level, and screen blocking (think Barkley here) are all outstanding. I’d be fine with him in blue. Obviously some extenuating circumstances apply. Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6. LOL I like Wills out of these tackles right now the combine will tell a lot more. unfortunately teams don't get to pick who wants to move up and if they think one of these guys is a ten year tackle their not gonna get not pick him because they couldn't move down 2 or 3 spots. I'm all for trading down but there is 0 Guarantee that they will have a partner. the way this board is setting it's gonna take some to start the QB panic looks to me if they sit and wait they can get there guy without giving up anything. no matter what the lions do. after #1 no one needs a QB and if some one gets antsy Detroit gets first call.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 22, 2020 7:08:59 GMT -5
Right, dominator, but IMO as a guard. Quinten Nelson was pick 6. We also could have traded back for him too. If we do go Wirfs, I hope it's at 6. LOL I like Wills out of these tackles right now the combine will tell a lot more. unfortunately teams don't get to pick who wants to move up and if they think one of these guys is a ten year tackle their not gonna get not pick him because they couldn't move down 2 or 3 spots. I'm all for trading down but there is 0 Guarantee that they will have a partner. the way this board is setting it's gonna take some to start the QB panic looks to me if they sit and wait they can get there guy without giving up anything. no matter what the lions do. after #1 no one needs a QB and if some one gets antsy Detroit gets first call. After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 22, 2020 7:20:16 GMT -5
LOL I like Wills out of these tackles right now the combine will tell a lot more. unfortunately teams don't get to pick who wants to move up and if they think one of these guys is a ten year tackle their not gonna get not pick him because they couldn't move down 2 or 3 spots. I'm all for trading down but there is 0 Guarantee that they will have a partner. the way this board is setting it's gonna take some to start the QB panic looks to me if they sit and wait they can get there guy without giving up anything. no matter what the lions do. after #1 no one needs a QB and if some one gets antsy Detroit gets first call. After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time. Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 22, 2020 7:30:18 GMT -5
After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time. Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert? That's why I said if they pass on QB. Everything I hear has them going defense. Young or Okudah or Simmons. Patricia's specialty is defense and his defense hasn't been good there. The worst case scenario for us is Burrow-Young-Tua all before us. Then there might not be much trade incentive unless Chargers and Dolphins both see Herbert as the last top QB on the board which could also be true. Then we could have them bid against each other and only move back 1 or 2 spots which is ideal, while grabbing a couple of picks.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 22, 2020 8:01:51 GMT -5
I like Wirfs, but “love” before the combine seems very smoke-screeny to me ....
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Post by TEM on Feb 22, 2020 8:06:21 GMT -5
Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert? That's why I said if they pass on QB. Everything I hear has them going defense. Young or Okudah or Simmons. Patricia's specialty is defense and his defense hasn't been good there. The worst case scenario for us is Burrow-Young-Tua all before us. Then there might not be much trade incentive unless Chargers and Dolphins both see Herbert as the last top QB on the board which could also be true. Then we could have them bid against each other and only move back 1 or 2 spots which is ideal, while grabbing a couple of picks. I get your logic on this and it is accurate. This year is different. I see this draft with all the teams clamoring to get a QB as unique. As I think outside of Bridgewater. The FA market is Old men and expensive Backups. This is a unique draft in the aspect 45% of the league may be in the market for a QB. We may see the proverbial run on eggs and milk before a snowstorm situation . Lets say Barrow and Tua do go before our pick . That may cause a panic in the market and make teams want to over pay for Herbert, Fromm, Love and Hurts.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 22, 2020 8:11:00 GMT -5
That's why I said if they pass on QB. Everything I hear has them going defense. Young or Okudah or Simmons. Patricia's specialty is defense and his defense hasn't been good there. The worst case scenario for us is Burrow-Young-Tua all before us. Then there might not be much trade incentive unless Chargers and Dolphins both see Herbert as the last top QB on the board which could also be true. Then we could have them bid against each other and only move back 1 or 2 spots which is ideal, while grabbing a couple of picks. I get your logic on this and it is accurate. This year is different. I see this draft with all the teams clamoring to get a QB as unique. As I think outside of Bridgewater. The FA market is Old men and expensive Backups. This is a unique draft in the aspect 45% of the league may be in the market for a QB. We may see the proverbial run on eggs and milk before a snowstorm situation . Lets say Barrow and Tua do go before our pick . That may cause a panic in the market and make teams want to over pay for Herbert, Fromm, Love and Hurts. That could always happen too. But dont forget, there could be a couple of those teams who want to play the tank for Trevor game next season. Maybe a team like the Dolphins miss on Tua, and then just set their sights on the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes which will be big IMO.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 22, 2020 8:57:40 GMT -5
I get your logic on this and it is accurate. This year is different. I see this draft with all the teams clamoring to get a QB as unique. As I think outside of Bridgewater. The FA market is Old men and expensive Backups. This is a unique draft in the aspect 45% of the league may be in the market for a QB. We may see the proverbial run on eggs and milk before a snowstorm situation . Lets say Barrow and Tua do go before our pick . That may cause a panic in the market and make teams want to over pay for Herbert, Fromm, Love and Hurts. That could always happen too. But dont forget, there could be a couple of those teams who want to play the tank for Trevor game next season. Maybe a team like the Dolphins miss on Tua, and then just set their sights on the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes which will be big IMO. The Dolphins didn't exactly tank very good this past year
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 22, 2020 9:25:51 GMT -5
That could always happen too. But dont forget, there could be a couple of those teams who want to play the tank for Trevor game next season. Maybe a team like the Dolphins miss on Tua, and then just set their sights on the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes which will be big IMO. The Dolphins didn't exactly tank very good this past year This is true. Ownership tried. Players and coaches didnt get the memo.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 22, 2020 9:48:29 GMT -5
I like Wirfs, but “love” before the combine seems very smoke-screeny to me .... I think we are entering the phase of "don't believe anything you here about anything" regarding what team's think in the draft.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2020 10:03:32 GMT -5
LOL I like Wills out of these tackles right now the combine will tell a lot more. unfortunately teams don't get to pick who wants to move up and if they think one of these guys is a ten year tackle their not gonna get not pick him because they couldn't move down 2 or 3 spots. I'm all for trading down but there is 0 Guarantee that they will have a partner. the way this board is setting it's gonna take some to start the QB panic looks to me if they sit and wait they can get there guy without giving up anything. no matter what the lions do. after #1 no one needs a QB and if some one gets antsy Detroit gets first call. After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time. Sorry let me reframe that. After 1 detroit might decide a QB but that would be one of the dumbest moves ever Stafford isn't the problem he is more the answer then the problem there. Why create another hole when your team is swiss cheese especially at the most important position on the field. if a team wants to come up they are gonna talk to detroit first. Whether they trade out pr stay put why would anyone talk to us at that point were not taking a QB word is the chargers are thinking about Bridgewater. There might not be a partner not where we need it to be anyway unless maybe the Panthers come calling. Miami probably can sit tight tho.unless Detroit wants to move down.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2020 10:11:45 GMT -5
After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time. Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert? There are rumors flying around that the Chargers are gonna take a run at Bridgewater, this isn't easy as 123 that you make a call and there is sucker on the the other end waiting to trade. All I'm saying this is shaking out that maybe if Carolina wants in then there will be some possibility of a trade down. if Detroit stays put and takes the Auburn Tackle which is possible he is supposed to be 1B to chase young then maybe the Giants get some action if detroit moves the other teams can wait it out. It's gonna be interesting The Giants won't have to do anything but answer if teams want up they will be calling.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 22, 2020 10:30:23 GMT -5
Wirfs is definitely one of the OT's that is listed as a great prospect. Plus he played at Iowa OL University. How many great OL in the NFL came out of Iowa. If we can trade back and still get Thomas, Wirfs, Wills, or even the human mountain Becton. I think that would be a coup on our part. I don't care one bit what side he plays on. I don't think they can trust going back much farther then 10 or 11 and still getting one of these guys or one of the top 2. I agree 100%, 12 might be too late which might knock out a trade with the Raiders even though they have 2 1st rd picks. My dream choice would be the Chargers at #6 we should pick up at least 2 2nd rd picks and hopefully an extra 1st rd pick but not sure that's possible unless these teams like Carolina and Tampa are getting involved if they jettison their QB's. If all these teams are looking for Tua and Herbert now it's a party.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2020 10:50:16 GMT -5
As I saidTrade down I'm all for but out of the top 10 no thanks agree 100%.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2020 10:54:02 GMT -5
I don't think they can trust going back much farther then 10 or 11 and still getting one of these guys or one of the top 2. I agree 100%, 12 might be too late which might knock out a trade with the Raiders even though they have 2 1st rd picks. My dream choice would be the Chargers at #6 we should pick up at least 2 2nd rd picks and hopefully an extra 1st rd pick but not sure that's possible unless these teams like Carolina and Tampa are getting involved if they jettison their QB's. If all these teams are looking for Tua and Herbert now it's a party. This should be interesting Tua for me is a red flag he has had ankle and knee issues now a hip and also some shoulder issues he missed time in college enough to worry about and that usually doesn't get better in the pro's glad were not looking this year for a QB.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 22, 2020 14:42:31 GMT -5
The Lions are in perfect position their probably the first team that would trade back. They supposedly from mock drafts are looking for Okudah the CB from Ohio St at #3. But if they trade back to 5 or 6 they get a boat load of 1st and 2nd picks for the next QB. Plus they probably still get their guy Okudah.
Now after them if more than one team is interested in which ever QB remains Tua or Herbert we could do the same thing and still probably get our OT. Heck the trade could already be made for us. We want the same thing the Lions got.
We need Carolina to trade Cam (rumors are the Raiders) and Tampa to jettison Winston. So they might jump Miami and the Chargers. This QB cycle is far from over.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2020 3:18:58 GMT -5
The Lions are in perfect position their probably the first team that would trade back. They supposedly from mock drafts are looking for Okudah the CB from Ohio St at #3. But if they trade back to 5 or 6 they get a boat load of 1st and 2nd picks for the next QB. Plus they probably still get their guy Okudah. Now after them if more than one team is interested in which ever QB remains Tua or Herbert we could do the same thing and still probably get our OT. Heck the trade could already be made for us. We want the same thing the Lions got. We need Carolina to trade Cam (rumors are the Raiders) and Tampa to jettison Winston. So they might jump Miami and the Chargers. This QB cycle is far from over. I think both Love and Fromm also enter the picture as well... Dunno if it's a good thing or bad thing Too many top franchise guys create a glut
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 23, 2020 7:26:47 GMT -5
The Lions are in perfect position their probably the first team that would trade back. They supposedly from mock drafts are looking for Okudah the CB from Ohio St at #3. But if they trade back to 5 or 6 they get a boat load of 1st and 2nd picks for the next QB. Plus they probably still get their guy Okudah. Now after them if more than one team is interested in which ever QB remains Tua or Herbert we could do the same thing and still probably get our OT. Heck the trade could already be made for us. We want the same thing the Lions got. We need Carolina to trade Cam (rumors are the Raiders) and Tampa to jettison Winston. So they might jump Miami and the Chargers. This QB cycle is far from over. I think both Love and Fromm also enter the picture as well... Dunno if it's a good thing or bad thing Too many top franchise guys create a glut I read an article in the last few days (sorry, can't remember where I saw it) comparing Love to Mahomes. Lets hope a bunch of scouts read it and have that on their brains as well. The more teams fall in love with the various QBs, the better for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 8:45:43 GMT -5
After #1 no one needs a QB? Detroit might need a QB. Miami needs a QB right behind us. Chargers need a QB 2 spots behind us. If Detroit passes on QB I think we are in prime position for a potential trade back. Gettleman just needs to pick up the phone and negotiate this time. Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert? What if the Redskins simply take...Tua? Just thinking out loud here... Could that even be a possibility? I heard rumors the Lions are interested in Herbert...not seeing that one. I can though, possibly, slight...see the Redskins kicking the tires on the Tua pick.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 23, 2020 8:47:22 GMT -5
Things get interesting if Detroit trades back with a team that wants Tua. Is there another team that would trade up to 4 for Herbert? What if the Redskins simply take...Tua? Just thinking out loud here... Could that even be a possibility? I heard rumors the Lions are interested in Herbert...not seeing that one. I can though, possibly, slight...see the Redskins kicking the tires on the Tua pick. I think that’s definitely possible.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 23, 2020 8:53:17 GMT -5
I like Wirfs, but “love” before the combine seems very smoke-screeny to me .... I think we are entering the phase of "don't believe anything you here about anything" regarding what team's think in the draft. Sure, unless its Dave Gettleman who wears his favorite players names on a post it on his forehead. Saquon Jones I thought both of those were smoke screens. It wouldnt surprise me if he already decided Wirfs is our guy (did he play in the senior bowl?) and he is already trying to figure out his second pick.
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