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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 9:19:52 GMT -5
You and I view this team completely different! I would be thrilled if they could somehow solidify even one of the areas you claim they can in FA which I don't see how.. GO GIANTS!! Depending on their approach, here are a few options we could take to solidify those areas: OL: Conklin (RT) & McGovern (C/OG) Secondary: Byron Jones (CB) & Anthony Harris (FS) Pass Rush (Tons of options): Adderson, Beasley, Fackrell, Ngakoue, Littleton, Van Noy, Schobert We can make substantial strides this off-season if we play our cards right. People act like there are no other teams for these players to go to. I guess if they sign all these players they can solidify the team but this is fantasy land to me.. If they get just one each of those players for each list I would be surprised but your hoping for two to three is unrealistic.. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 25, 2020 10:11:03 GMT -5
Unlike real football, in hypothetical football more means better. Having an unbelievable amount of data doesn't mean better decisions but hypothetically it does. So use important and meaningless words like draft capital because that means ideal. An example of 1st round draft capital is a high quality impact player that is accretive to your team for years. Examples of actual 1st round picks would be Eli Apple. See how much better it sounded the first way? Why do you have to be so perspicacious? I don’t know what that means. |
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 25, 2020 10:14:57 GMT -5
Depending on their approach, here are a few options we could take to solidify those areas: OL: Conklin (RT) & McGovern (C/OG) Secondary: Byron Jones (CB) & Anthony Harris (FS) Pass Rush (Tons of options): Adderson, Beasley, Fackrell, Ngakoue, Littleton, Van Noy, Schobert We can make substantial strides this off-season if we play our cards right. People act like there are no other teams for these players to go to. I guess if they sign all these players they can solidify the team but this is fantasy land to me.. If they get just one each of those players for each list I would be surprised but your hoping for two to three is unrealistic.. He seemed to be pointing out options, not claiming we would sign them all? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:22:15 GMT -5
People act like there are no other teams for these players to go to. I guess if they sign all these players they can solidify the team but this is fantasy land to me.. If they get just one each of those players for each list I would be surprised but your hoping for two to three is unrealistic.. He seemed to be pointing out options, not claiming we would sign them all? He is saying they can solidify the team by signing these players so they can draft a WR at the 4th slot. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 25, 2020 10:28:37 GMT -5
He seemed to be pointing out options, not claiming we would sign them all? He is saying they can solidify the team by signing these players so they can draft a WR at the 4th slot. Well I guess they can go WR if all the top kickers are gone. |
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 25, 2020 10:34:46 GMT -5
He seemed to be pointing out options, not claiming we would sign them all? He is saying they can solidify the team by signing these players so they can draft a WR at the 4th slot. Ok...🙄 He listed 12 players. So you really believe he was saying we would sign all of them in fa? Or is it more likely you just had a knee jerk reaction and misunderstood? |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Feb 25, 2020 10:55:29 GMT -5
Why do you have to be so perspicacious? I don’t know what that means. Finally. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:59:14 GMT -5
He is saying they can solidify the team by signing these players so they can draft a WR at the 4th slot. Ok...🙄 He listed 12 players. So you really believe he was saying we would sign all of them in fa? Or is it more likely you just had a knee jerk reaction and misunderstood? No nee jerk reaction he started out claiming they can solidify the team in FA and then choose a WR at 4. I find this to be impossible then he listed the players they can sign to make this happen. I didn't even read the big list of pass rushers instead I was just focusing on the two olineman and two DBs that he feels will do the trick for those spots.. What part of me claiming if they could sign one each of these players in each group as being a dream gives you the impression I was claiming they would sign all the players listed?? Kind of strange way to move into this discussion since that's as unrealistic as it gets but here we are.. No clue why you are responding with these over exaggerations which seems like you misunderstood his initial response.. |
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Post by jaymas on Feb 25, 2020 11:26:07 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't hate it. But I also believe new coaching is going to help develop our players that are at a prime stage to take some next steps.
But, it is in no way more of a necessity than a pass rusher, OT, or versatile LB like Simmons.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 25, 2020 12:12:14 GMT -5
I don’t know what that means. Finally. I don’t know what that means. |
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Post by ratbastich on Feb 25, 2020 12:29:29 GMT -5
I like Jeudy, but we need offensive line help and there are good receivers in this draft. Still I guess BPA if Jeudy is that. This is the way
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Post by smitty on Feb 25, 2020 15:27:55 GMT -5
It’s not a bad idea. It’s a TERRIBLE idea. I would love to see the ratio of folks who thought Saquon was a good pick, but stipulate that this is a bad pick. In hindsight, picking Barkley at the expense of neglecting our O line again has not proven to be the correct call. |
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Post by thetruth on Feb 25, 2020 16:09:37 GMT -5
I would love to see the ratio of folks who thought Saquon was a good pick, but stipulate that this is a bad pick. In hindsight, picking Barkley at the expense of neglecting our O line again has not proven to be the correct call. It wasn't correct then, it certainly isn't correct now. We could have drafted the best LG in football who will be worthy of a second contract if he avoids injury. Heck, the Colts traded down and took him, along with drafting a starting OT in the second round, with.. you guessed it.. an extra pick they got when trading back! Sadly, I dont think the Giants will resign Barkley. I mean, they shouldn't, based on what we've seen around the league and the lack of production for RBs on their second deals. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Feb 25, 2020 17:38:57 GMT -5
I like Lamb better than Jeudy....Lamb looks uncoverable
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Feb 25, 2020 17:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 25, 2020 21:15:57 GMT -5
I like Lamb better than Jeudy....Lamb looks uncoverable Jeudy gets the nod on speed - route running - separation. Those are facts. Lamb is taller by an inch and has a bit better hands. Also facts. Hands and height doesn’t compute to uncoverable - speed,route running and separation does. Jeudy over Lamb. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 6:09:55 GMT -5
Im sure if he's been touched by god he will be the pick. Far and away the best receiver in this year's class. I wouldn't hate it. We need a OT first and foremost, this is a talented class that DG's predecessor never saw. If you dont take one you move down, simple stuff. OL is hypothesized to be DG's expertise so lets see what he's all about. Disagree. Line was ranked 16th or so last season. Defense at the bottom. Pass rush and a complete lb with coverage skills, plus a corner the bigger needs. Yes, an older Solder who has submitted to playing right tackle, no right tackle, and a center that could be the worse in the league, and here you are suggesting we get out QB injured and fumbling another year...until DG is fired and we go into QB hell...cause you want a strong safety tweener. ...yes, a skinny athletic linebacker at pick 4 who will turn this defense completely around...while the free agent market is loaded with a safety, a CB, a coverage linebacker.... and only Conklin in a low supply huge high demand area, a Conklin who can not pass block that shall command 15 million plus to be a right tackle to the other turnstile called Solder...yeah, brilliant plan Lex  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 6:13:18 GMT -5
Is Jeudy better than OBJ? Even if he is, where did Odell get us? Without the OL/Defense, nothing else is going to produce wins. I used to love the big flashy playmakers, but after almost a decade of losing, I think it's time to reload the trenches. Only way we are winning football games is getting the offensive line taken care of...Jeudy would be the pick that finally gets rid of Dave Gettleman, so there's that |
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 26, 2020 10:26:22 GMT -5
Is Jeudy better than OBJ? Even if he is, where did Odell get us? Without the OL/Defense, nothing else is going to produce wins. I used to love the big flashy playmakers, but after almost a decade of losing, I think it's time to reload the trenches. Only way we are winning football games is getting the offensive line taken care of...Jeudy would be the pick that finally gets rid of Dave Gettleman, so there's that That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 26, 2020 10:33:29 GMT -5
Only way we are winning football games is getting the offensive line taken care of...Jeudy would be the pick that finally gets rid of Dave Gettleman, so there's that That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment I could argue Simmons is the pick that gets Gettleman fired when he hits the wrong gap week 17 vs Philly in OT and a playoff spot is on the line and Sanders takes it 75 yards for a walk off TD.. Just like against Ohio State |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 26, 2020 10:39:23 GMT -5
Only way we are winning football games is getting the offensive line taken care of...Jeudy would be the pick that finally gets rid of Dave Gettleman, so there's that That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment It didn't save Reese. Ignoring the trenches in favor of luxury items should get a GM fired. DG may have gotten his one mulligan with Barkley, he ought not take that chance twice. |
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 26, 2020 10:40:30 GMT -5
 1. Jeudy is playing us knowing the necklace will help with the owners and GMs of the league. 2. Or he should get checked for C.T.E. I'll pick #2. |
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2020 11:05:38 GMT -5
That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment It didn't save Reese. Ignoring the trenches in favor of luxury items should get a GM fired. DG may have gotten his one mulligan with Barkley, he ought not take that chance twice. Exactly. Reese drafted Beckham and 2 1/2 years later was shown the door.. Face first.. It has been proven time and time again you can’t build a team from the outside to in. Besides QB the most important position as a whole is the offensive line. We had Beckham, Barkley, Engram and Shepard and yet we were still a bad team. We have arguably the best running back in the league and we are 9-23 since drafting him. Will Hernandez is the only offensive lineman that we drafted in 2 years that was a high draft pick. Actually Hernandez and some player named Big George are the only linemen that were drafted since Gettleman was hired. Good offensive line units aren’t built through free agency, they’re built through the draft. The Titans for example, can anyone name me any of their playmakers on that team? They have a battering ram for a running back and went to the AFC Championship game with a QB that was labeled a bust. But, the Titans addressed the offensive line heavily in the draft. Out of the 5 starters, 2 are 1st round picks. Three if you count Chance Warmack who is now an Eagle. Gettleman vowed when he was hired that the offensive line needs to be addressed. “ We’ve got to fix the o-line, let’s be honest. Let’s not kid each other. I told you at the top, big men allow you to compete and that’s what we’ve got to fix.”
Ok Dave, enough of the kidding around. Fix the ******* offensive line. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 26, 2020 11:26:21 GMT -5
It didn't save Reese. Ignoring the trenches in favor of luxury items should get a GM fired. DG may have gotten his one mulligan with Barkley, he ought not take that chance twice. Exactly. Reese drafted Beckham and 2 1/2 years later was shown the door.. Face first.. It has been proven time and time again you can’t build a team from the outside to in. Besides QB the most important position as a whole is the offensive line. We had Beckham, Barkley, Engram and Shepard and yet we were still a bad team. We have arguably the best running back in the league and we are 9-23 since drafting him. Will Hernandez is the only offensive lineman that we drafted in 2 years that was a high draft pick. Actually Hernandez and some player named Big George are the only linemen that were drafted since Gettleman was hired. Good offensive line units aren’t built through free agency, they’re built through the draft. The Titans for example, can anyone name me any of their playmakers on that team? They have a battering ram for a running back and went to the AFC Championship game with a QB that was labeled a bust. But, the Titans addressed the offensive line heavily in the draft. Out of the 5 starters, 2 are 1st round picks. Three if you count Chance Warmack who is now an Eagle. Gettleman vowed when he was hired that the offensive line needs to be addressed. “ We’ve got to fix the o-line, let’s be honest. Let’s not kid each other. I told you at the top, big men allow you to compete and that’s what we’ve got to fix.”
Ok Dave, enough of the kidding around. Fix the ******* offensive line. I wish I could reconcile this with all the posts I read here that state that no OLs are good, they're all horrendous and the best you could hope for is slightly better than the next crappy one. I could swear that - coincidentally of course - 80% or 90% of the playoff teams had top 10 OLs and top 15 defenses. What a wacky coincidence that is. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 26, 2020 11:31:22 GMT -5
That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment I could argue Simmons is the pick that gets Gettleman fired when he hits the wrong gap week 17 vs Philly in OT and a playoff spot is on the line and Sanders takes it 75 yards for a walk off TD.. Just like against Ohio State I wish I could give your comment 2  . It is on point. Simmons is a risk at 4. Too many inconsistencies in his game. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 26, 2020 11:46:24 GMT -5
That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment It didn't save Reese. Ignoring the trenches in favor of luxury items should get a GM fired. DG may have gotten his one mulligan with Barkley, he ought not take that chance twice. This is a whole different menu of strategies. First let me say my comment was in reference to Jeudy being picked will never get DG fired. Jeudy will be a star. DG gave us a new look OL last year. It failed. We all know DG better fix the OL issue. There are different ways to address the Oline. Drafting an OT in the first is no magic wand to fix the whole line. I don’t see a “ cant miss “ OT. Jeudy is pretty darn close to a cant miss and will upgrade our offensive potency significantly. Cesar Ruiz in the 2’nd would be a solid pick toward upgrading the Oline after Jeudy. The Giants haven’t had a solid center in forever. Ruiz is very good in pass protection very good at calling signals and better than average run blocking. We could find an offensive tackle in the fourth David Diehl was picked in the fifth - Giants need to do there homework. Every good OT was not picked in the first round, The talk that we have to take an offensive tackle in the first round is really close minded, Especially with a guy like Jeudy sitting in our lap for the taking. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 26, 2020 11:51:45 GMT -5
It didn't save Reese. Ignoring the trenches in favor of luxury items should get a GM fired. DG may have gotten his one mulligan with Barkley, he ought not take that chance twice. This is a whole different menu of strategies. First let me say my comment was in reference to Jeudy being picked will never get DG fired. Jeudy will be a star. DG gave us a new look OL last year. It failed. We all know DG better fix the OL issue. There are different ways to address the Oline. Drafting an OT in the first is no magic wand to fix the whole line. I don’t see a “ cant miss “ OT. Jeudy is pretty darn close to a cant miss and will upgrade our offensive potency significantly. Cesar Ruiz in the 2’nd would be a solid pick toward upgrading the Oline after Judy. The Giants haven’t had a solid center in forever. Ruiz is very good in pass protection very good at calling signals and better than average run blocking. We could find an offensive tackle in the fourth David Diehl was picked in the fifth there’s - so many options. The talk about we have to take an offense of tackle in the first round is really close minded, Especially with a guy like Jeudy sitting in our lap for the taking. I'm not arguing with you about Juedy's talent. He will absolutely be a top player, but he's a top player at a luxury position like Barkley, that is not as accretive to winning games as trench positions. Could they draft him and then grab some OL and it could work out? Of course it could. It's just a lower percentage move but sure, it could work out. I view WRs like RBs, there's no difference. In fact, there's probably even less differentiation in the WR ranks than RB. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 26, 2020 11:53:34 GMT -5
This is a whole different menu of strategies. First let me say my comment was in reference to Jeudy being picked will never get DG fired. Jeudy will be a star. DG gave us a new look OL last year. It failed. We all know DG better fix the OL issue. There are different ways to address the Oline. Drafting an OT in the first is no magic wand to fix the whole line. I don’t see a “ cant miss “ OT. Jeudy is pretty darn close to a cant miss and will upgrade our offensive potency significantly. Cesar Ruiz in the 2’nd would be a solid pick toward upgrading the Oline after Judy. The Giants haven’t had a solid center in forever. Ruiz is very good in pass protection very good at calling signals and better than average run blocking. We could find an offensive tackle in the fourth David Diehl was picked in the fifth there’s - so many options. The talk about we have to take an offense of tackle in the first round is really close minded, Especially with a guy like Jeudy sitting in our lap for the taking. I'm not arguing with you about Juedy's talent. He will absolutely be a top player, but he's a top player at a luxury position like Barkley, that is not as accretive to winning games as trench positions. Could they draft him and then grab som OL and it could work out? Of course it could. It's just a lower percentage move but sure, it could work out. I view WRs like RBs, there's no difference. In fact, there's probably even less differentiation in the WR ranks than RB. I respect your opinion - I’m curious to watch it all play out. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 26, 2020 11:57:24 GMT -5
I'm not arguing with you about Juedy's talent. He will absolutely be a top player, but he's a top player at a luxury position like Barkley, that is not as accretive to winning games as trench positions. Could they draft him and then grab som OL and it could work out? Of course it could. It's just a lower percentage move but sure, it could work out. I view WRs like RBs, there's no difference. In fact, there's probably even less differentiation in the WR ranks than RB. I respect your opinion - I’m curious to watch it all play out. Same here, I respect yours as well. I was a fan of the Barkley pick and it's pretty much the same thing. If he's top 1% (like Juedy may be) there's just no going wrong with a player like that. But this team has failed to provide its skill position players solid trenches for nearly a decade, it is a fundamental organization flaw at this point. It must be addressed or this team will never seriously compete for a championship any time soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 16:13:56 GMT -5
Only way we are winning football games is getting the offensive line taken care of...Jeudy would be the pick that finally gets rid of Dave Gettleman, so there's that That’s just pure silliness. I understand the need to improve the OL but if we draft Jeudy he will be a star. Drafting a star player doesn’t get a GM fired. Silly comment Apologies for your fantasy league |
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