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Post by IrishMike on Feb 26, 2020 16:39:53 GMT -5
Pretty much sums up what I absolutely love about Thomas and what makes me nervous. I look at the top of this draft with Thomas, Becton, Wirfs, Simmons, Okudah and Young and just think we absolutely should end up with a stud. Very excited for this draft. Have you even watched him Mike? Show me the slow foot speed ...get some video and SHOW me. Yes I have watched him. I've been singing his praises for a long time. He's a stud.
The fact that people out there list his technique and feet as an issue is what scares me about him. Do you think you're the greatest OL scout ever? I personally don't think I am so it makes me think I'm missing something when most outlets list "footwork" as his weakness.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Feb 26, 2020 17:21:59 GMT -5
Just watched the all 22 film on him. Great run blocker but pass blocking was a little sloppy and he needs to get his hands up and get his hands on defenders first instead of leaving his chest open. i think i have ptsd from flowers but if we pick this guy i hope our oline coach is better then the one in years past because this guy needs work in pass protection. Not even close to Flowers technical issues...Thomas is a little slow setting his quick feet with recognition, and why he at minimum times will lunge and be off balance...not slow feet. Easily coachable with nfl reps ... no I definitely didnt see slow feet just bad hand placement
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 18:07:24 GMT -5
Have you even watched him Mike? Show me the slow foot speed ...get some video and SHOW me. Yes I have watched him. I've been singing his praises for a long time. He's a stud.
The fact that people out there list his technique and feet as an issue is what scares me about him. Do you think you're the greatest OL scout ever? I personally don't think I am so it makes me think I'm missing something when most outlets list "footwork" as his weakness.
You were singing Solders praises forever as well....and not a scout, but I do manage to form my own opinion from watching players...try it...and even you might of caught Solders flaws before Gettleman blew yet another trade/fa signing ☺
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 26, 2020 19:55:48 GMT -5
You were singing Solders praises forever as well....and not a scout, but I do manage to form my own opinion from watching players...try it...and even you might of caught Solders flaws before Gettleman blew yet another trade/fa signing ☺ I wasn't so much singing Solders praises as much as I was happy we got someone to replace Flowers who was pretty bad if you don't remember. I also form my own opinion which is why I like Thomas. I also read other peoples opinions and when more than 2 start to point out footwork issues it raises a red flag. You should try reading sometime, might expand your horizons.
(Guy inherits worst LT in the NFL. Guy signs #1 LT in free agency. Fans mad at guy for a bad signing.) Ain't sports grand lol.
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 26, 2020 22:21:29 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 27, 2020 6:28:13 GMT -5
From what I have read is he spends a little more time on the ground then some prefer. Balance issues Now that these guys have had time to break down the group as a whole some have him at 3 or 4 or 5. Not sure what to believe but this is what I have read. You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true. Per Dane Brugler on BBKL on Wednesday: Biggest issue with Thomas is balance. On the ground “too much”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 7:26:14 GMT -5
You were singing Solders praises forever as well....and not a scout, but I do manage to form my own opinion from watching players...try it...and even you might of caught Solders flaws before Gettleman blew yet another trade/fa signing ☺ I wasn't so much singing Solders praises as much as I was happy we got someone to replace Flowers who was pretty bad if you don't remember. I also form my own opinion which is why I like Thomas. I also read other peoples opinions and when more than 2 start to point out footwork issues it raises a red flag. You should try reading sometime, might expand your horizons.
(Guy inherits worst LT in the NFL. Guy signs #1 LT in free agency. Fans mad at guy for a bad signing.) Ain't sports grand lol.
Guy signs horrible pass blocking LT to an absolutely ridiculous mind numbing cap locking contract, plays horribly as expected, the Giants continue to lose. Irish fan believes it was a GREAT signing...I know all these things cause I READ...unfortunately, all your posts. How's that Barkley thing working out for us? Ready to sign him for MORE than Solder for his 2nd coming?
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Post by jimmieray on Feb 27, 2020 7:44:02 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT. There was a complimentary article on him in today's paper, mostly touting his pass protection. But if he can move people in the run game, that would be terrific, too. Definitely a very large man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 7:47:44 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick...
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 27, 2020 7:50:11 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick... The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 27, 2020 7:52:41 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT. Becton is certainly intriguing. Is there any concern though about how long he can continue to maintain his athleticism at his size? Not sure if that is even a concern ... just wondering.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 7:53:23 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT. Disagree he's the only slam dunk, but I do like watching him on tape...still has more technical flaws then any other top OT, which is to be expected for a man that size and using that to his advantage while technique takes a back seat. Love how the 3 point stance took care of the leverage issues this year...coaching is great...hoping Columbo helps with out 4 pick offensive tackle and makes him all pro hall of fame material.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 7:56:29 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick... The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 Yep...Raider and Panthers, but you will probably not see them by the time you picked...real draft aint this game we play on here. I'd still be happy with the 2nd for a Charger area spot...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 27, 2020 8:12:35 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick... The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 I think you are most likely right, but not 100%. If Tua slips to 4, and one of these hungry QB teams love him, that changes everything. If the Chargers are head over heels in love with Tua, and know they must get ahead of Miami, they might just have to flip a 2021 first rounder along with the 6th. I think Tua is the only player that could do that though. Maybe someone would trade up for Young too, but if Young is at 4 we better draft him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 27, 2020 8:41:28 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick... The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 An extra 2and and 3rd and I'm happy along with Thomas
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 9:55:24 GMT -5
Are you still crying we didn't draft Josh Rosen?
"Josh Rosen is the greatest QB ever and will break all the NFL records" - Aris
Do you seriously want to destroy yet another thread with you inability to read? Never once did I say the Solder signing was great. I said it was necessary since our other option was Ereck Flowers. We can talk all you want but at least stop making up bullshit man.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 27, 2020 9:55:46 GMT -5
The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 Yep...Raider and Panthers, but you will probably not see them by the time you picked...real draft aint this game we play on here. I'd still be happy with the 2nd for a Charger area spot... You and me both!
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 9:57:48 GMT -5
Just like to add, PFF has a place for the NFL, but tough to stat college kids in all these different conferences with so much variation in talent levels. Becton Thomas Wills Wirfs At this point 4 are going top half of day 1...I would not be surprised to see another 2-3 sneak into the first.... I would smirk smugly for any one of these at pick 4...give a cough of glee if got one WITH a trade back and another 1st round pick... The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 If we go to 5 I think we can get two 2nds from Miami which would be awesome. Depends what happens above us though. Washington trying to convince people they are looking at QBs. Detroit is probably open for a trade as well. Worst case we take a stud at 4, best case we get extra picks and a stud.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 27, 2020 10:01:20 GMT -5
coaching is great...hoping Columbo helps with out 4 pick offensive tackle and makes him all pro hall of fame material. I don't think people give enough credit or blame to coaching. People sit back and watch the Pats compete for a title every year with the mailman starting and don't think coaching has anything to do with players. Obviously Tom Brady helps but they have a top ten D every year.
Can Columbo be worse than Hal Hunter? Man I hope not. New OT, new C and Hernandez in year 3 is a lot of clay for him to work with.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 27, 2020 12:27:45 GMT -5
coaching is great...hoping Columbo helps with out 4 pick offensive tackle and makes him all pro hall of fame material. I don't think people give enough credit or blame to coaching. People sit back and watch the Pats compete for a title every year with the mailman starting and don't think coaching has anything to do with players. Obviously Tom Brady helps but they have a top ten D every year.
Can Columbo be worse than Hal Hunter? Man I hope not. New OT, new C and Hernandez in year 3 is a lot of clay for him to work with.
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Post by TEM on Feb 28, 2020 17:40:53 GMT -5
The problem is that I don’t think that we could get an extra first-rounder unless we trade back too far to be able to get one of the top 4 OT’s. We’re not going to get an extra first to go from 4 to 5,6 or 7 If we go to 5 I think we can get two 2nds from Miami which would be awesome. Depends what happens above us though. Washington trying to convince people they are looking at QBs. Detroit is probably open for a trade as well. Worst case we take a stud at 4, best case we get extra picks and a stud. If you do not get substantially more value for the pick than it is valued on the chart. It is not worth moving. You are moving down on your draft board. Miami can take the player we have slotted. That is a possibility that has to be considered before the trade. We may have to take a lower player on our board further diminishing the value of the pick The value of the trade automatically went down. IMO 39 and 56 to me are not enough added incentive to move to take on that risk. I think 5-18 or 5-26 are more inline with the risk. Just my opinion. Just a refresher on what we gave up for Eli We swapped 2004 first round picks 4-1 2004 pick 65 2005 pick 12 2005 pick 144 We gave up 2 top 12 picks. A high 3rd round pick and a 5th. We gave up a lot. I expect if we are in the position to sell , We need to be compensated with a lot . This notation to swap picks and take a few lower round picks. I say F that. Make them pay. Take 2 of their 1st at minimum. Or who ever else wants to give us 2 1st round picks +
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 28, 2020 17:56:13 GMT -5
You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true. Per Dane Brugler on BBKL on Wednesday: Biggest issue with Thomas is balance. On the ground “too much” He wasn't the only one of their guests to say that either - though the others said it was something that could be coached up. Another interesting tidbit from listening was how all over the place their guests were in putting these top 4 in order of preference.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 18:47:17 GMT -5
If you do not get substantially more value for the pick than it is valued on the chart. It is not worth moving. You are moving down on your draft board. Miami can take the player we have slotted. That is a possibility that has to be considered before the trade. We may have to take a lower player on our board further diminishing the value of the pick The value of the trade automatically went down. IMO 39 and 56 to me are not enough added incentive to move to take on that risk. I think 5-18 or 5-26 are more inline with the risk. Just my opinion. Just a refresher on what we gave up for Eli We swapped 2004 first round picks 4-1 2004 pick 65 2005 pick 12 2005 pick 144 We gave up 2 top 12 picks. A high 3rd round pick and a 5th. We gave up a lot. I expect if we are in the position to sell , We need to be compensated with a lot . This notation to swap picks and take a few lower round picks. I say F that. Make them pay. Take 2 of their 1st at minimum. Or who ever else wants to give us 2 1st round picks + I agree about having to get a return for our risk. Many people think they "know" what Miami will do but we don't. What if we want Thomas and they trick us and take him.
However I base my guess of the two second round picks on the value of recent trades, particularly the moving one spot trades. At the end of the day it all depends what we can convince them to give up. The real question is would you rather have pick 26 or picks 39+56? I think two seconds in this draft might be a better deal for us than the late first.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 18:49:30 GMT -5
Per Dane Brugler on BBKL on Wednesday: Biggest issue with Thomas is balance. On the ground “too much” He wasn't the only one of their guests to say that either - though the others said it was something that could be coached up. Another interesting tidbit from listening was how all over the place their guests were in putting these top 4 in order of preference. Counting down until Aris comes in hear and freaks out on your two lol, I can't wait.
I have raved about this OT class for a while now but also said each has "holes" in his game. With coaching I think the top 6 OTs can be pretty good starters. The question is can our staff now coach OL? God I hope so.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 28, 2020 18:53:45 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT. Becton is not a 1st round prospect on tape.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 18:53:47 GMT -5
If you do not get substantially more value for the pick than it is valued on the chart. It is not worth moving. You are moving down on your draft board. Miami can take the player we have slotted. That is a possibility that has to be considered before the trade. We may have to take a lower player on our board further diminishing the value of the pick The value of the trade automatically went down. IMO 39 and 56 to me are not enough added incentive to move to take on that risk. I think 5-18 or 5-26 are more inline with the risk. Just my opinion. Just a refresher on what we gave up for Eli We swapped 2004 first round picks 4-1 2004 pick 65 2005 pick 12 2005 pick 144 We gave up 2 top 12 picks. A high 3rd round pick and a 5th. We gave up a lot. I expect if we are in the position to sell , We need to be compensated with a lot . This notation to swap picks and take a few lower round picks. I say F that. Make them pay. Take 2 of their 1st at minimum. Or who ever else wants to give us 2 1st round picks + I agree about having to get a return for our risk. Many people think they "know" what Miami will do but we don't. What if we want Thomas and they trick us and take him.
However I base my guess of the two second round picks on the value of recent trades, particularly the moving one spot trades. At the end of the day it all depends what we can convince them to give up. The real question is would you rather have pick 26 or picks 39+56? I think two seconds in this draft might be a better deal for us than the late first.
Agreed 2.2nds (or their 39th and their 3rd) Draft is very deep for our needs on day 2
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 28, 2020 18:54:26 GMT -5
Per Dane Brugler on BBKL on Wednesday: Biggest issue with Thomas is balance. On the ground “too much” He wasn't the only one of their guests to say that either - though the others said it was something that could be coached up. Another interesting tidbit from listening was how all over the place their guests were in putting these top 4 in order of preference. You’re right. I think that BBKL has had great shows at the Combine. Tons of interesting scouting, NFL and media guests.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 28, 2020 18:56:12 GMT -5
You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true. Per Dane Brugler on BBKL on Wednesday: Biggest issue with Thomas is balance. On the ground “too much” Because of this thread and my post in this thread. I posted that on Tuesday. BBKL got wind of it (they read this forum), then on the following day, told Brugler to purposely use the same line, just to go against me. Same reason why the Andrew Thomas slander started in the 1st place. He's still OT1 by a wide wide margin - the tape doesn't lie.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 28, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
Becton is the only slam dunk, day one starter as a LT. He’s like nothing the nfl has ever seen. A giant, powerful man with nimble feet. An absolute monster in the running game and smooth as butter in the passing game. This guy is a mountain to move and guys simply can’t get past him. He’s gonna be the pick at 4 if it is indeed an OT. There was a complimentary article on him in today's paper, mostly touting his pass protection. But if he can move people in the run game, that would be terrific, too. Definitely a very large man. Becton is a Pass-blocking Liability.
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Post by TEM on Feb 28, 2020 18:57:10 GMT -5
If you do not get substantially more value for the pick than it is valued on the chart. It is not worth moving. You are moving down on your draft board. Miami can take the player we have slotted. That is a possibility that has to be considered before the trade. We may have to take a lower player on our board further diminishing the value of the pick The value of the trade automatically went down. IMO 39 and 56 to me are not enough added incentive to move to take on that risk. I think 5-18 or 5-26 are more inline with the risk. Just my opinion. Just a refresher on what we gave up for Eli We swapped 2004 first round picks 4-1 2004 pick 65 2005 pick 12 2005 pick 144 We gave up 2 top 12 picks. A high 3rd round pick and a 5th. We gave up a lot. I expect if we are in the position to sell , We need to be compensated with a lot . This notation to swap picks and take a few lower round picks. I say F that. Make them pay. Take 2 of their 1st at minimum. Or who ever else wants to give us 2 1st round picks + I agree about having to get a return for our risk. Many people think they "know" what Miami will do but we don't. What if we want Thomas and they trick us and take him.
However I base my guess of the two second round picks on the value of recent trades, particularly the moving one spot trades. At the end of the day it all depends what we can convince them to give up. The real question is would you rather have pick 26 or picks 39+56? I think two seconds in this draft might be a better deal for us than the late first.
I am more in the pick 26 camp . It gives you a player 17 grades higher than 39 . The odds of getting a better player are fundamentally higher. I look at this way also. It is much easer to move higher into the 1st; with a 1st (26) and a 2nd (36) for trade bait than it is with a few Second rd picks
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