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Post by lexington11 on Feb 28, 2020 21:21:27 GMT -5
Counting down until Aris comes in hear and freaks out on your two lol, I can't wait.
I have raved about this OT class for a while now but also said each has "holes" in his game. With coaching I think the top 6 OTs can be pretty good starters. The question is can our staff now coach OL? God I hope so.
I am at a special needs event tonight.... I'll straighten this out tomorrow...any negative Thomas chatter will be dealt with quickly and harshly as I eat my cheerios...ZERO tolerance. thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot.
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 28, 2020 21:24:10 GMT -5
Counting down until Aris comes in hear and freaks out on your two lol, I can't wait.
I have raved about this OT class for a while now but also said each has "holes" in his game. With coaching I think the top 6 OTs can be pretty good starters. The question is can our staff now coach OL? God I hope so.
No, you're being brainwashed. BBKL reads these forums. They're against me because I destroyed them in the past. I make this thread on Tuesday. BBKL sees it. On Wednesday, BBKL informs all their guests to purposely talk about exactly what I said only Daniel Jeremiah said. Why? Solely to go against me and get back at me. Andrew Thomas really has 0 holes in his game. He's not 100% perfect but he is 99.5% perfect. Don't let the media agenda brainwash you perfect no. He’s not suited for the vertical passing attack. Plus he’s on the ground too much for a 99.5% perfect OTl. He’s an average athlete at the position who relies on technique.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 21:53:31 GMT -5
I am at a special needs event tonight.... I'll straighten this out tomorrow...any negative Thomas chatter will be dealt with quickly and harshly as I eat my cheerios...ZERO tolerance. thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 22:00:31 GMT -5
Not sure how much the combine matters but Wirfs f'ing killed it. I don't buy into guys that are workout warriors but when you look at Wirfs game film, then the fact his arms were measured and not short at all, then he comes out and kills the combine. He certainly helped himself. He was always going to be a top 4 OT taken, now who knows how high he could go.
4.85 - 40 (#1 in 2020, #2 last three years) 24 - bench (best of the top OTs) 36.5 - Vert (best by 2", new record) 121" - Broad (best by 5", ties record)
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 28, 2020 22:16:27 GMT -5
Not sure how much the combine matters but Wirfs f'ing killed it. I don't buy into guys that are workout warriors but when you look at Wirfs game film, then the fact his arms were measured and not short at all, then he comes out and kills the combine. He certainly helped himself. He was always going to be a top 4 OT taken, now who knows how high he could go. 4.85 - 40 (#1 in 2020, #2 last three years) 24 - bench (best of the top OTs) 36.5 - Vert (best by 2", new record) 121" - Broad (best by 5", ties record) Wrestler ... case closed!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 22:49:20 GMT -5
And the Merry go round keeps spinning with these 4 tackle prospects. Giants are in a great spot to get the best one hands down the Wrestling back ground is really helpful.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 29, 2020 6:46:11 GMT -5
Not sure how much the combine matters but Wirfs f'ing killed it. I don't buy into guys that are workout warriors but when you look at Wirfs game film, then the fact his arms were measured and not short at all, then he comes out and kills the combine. He certainly helped himself. He was always going to be a top 4 OT taken, now who knows how high he could go. 4.85 - 40 (#1 in 2020, #2 last three years) 24 - bench (best of the top OTs) 36.5 - Vert (best by 2", new record) 121" - Broad (best by 5", ties record) Wrestler ... case closed! He has good game film, comes from a program that historically produces NFL ready linemen, and absolutely killed the underwear olympics. I think he will make the team that drafts him very happy.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 29, 2020 6:48:40 GMT -5
Wrestler ... case closed! He has good game film, comes from a program that historically produces NFL ready linemen, and absolutely killed the underwear olympics. I think he will make the team that drafts him very happy. I like Wirfs, but frankly I go back and forth on the top 4 guys on a daily basis....
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Post by TEM on Feb 29, 2020 7:03:43 GMT -5
He has good game film, comes from a program that historically produces NFL ready linemen, and absolutely killed the underwear olympics. I think he will make the team that drafts him very happy. I like Wirfs, but frankly I go back and forth on the top 4 guys on a daily basis.... That is my problem . The 4 of them are all really good. It is hard to separate them .
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 29, 2020 7:24:10 GMT -5
I like Wirfs, but frankly I go back and forth on the top 4 guys on a daily basis.... That is my problem . The 4 of them are all really good. It is hard to separate them . I hear you both. Its tough decision, and there are other choices they may make as well. I guess that's why they make the big bucks...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 8:05:39 GMT -5
I am at a special needs event tonight.... I'll straighten this out tomorrow...any negative Thomas chatter will be dealt with quickly and harshly as I eat my cheerios...ZERO tolerance. thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot. Possibly in the Lexington world...in the Aris thought process, it goes...are you ready for me to rock your world Lex? Thomas Wills Wirfs Becton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 8:08:14 GMT -5
thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 29, 2020 9:19:52 GMT -5
thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot. Possibly in the Lexington world...in the Aris thought process, it goes...are you ready for me to rock your world Lex? Thomas Wills Wirfs Becton Still Thomas Wirfs Wills Becton But the gap has closed considerably.... Come.pick 6 after a trade back I'm very happy with any of these guys
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Post by TEM on Feb 29, 2020 9:49:16 GMT -5
thomas is no longer the top tackle, he’s probably number 3 or 4 now. Becton now holds that top spot. Possibly in the Lexington world...in the Aris thought process, it goes...are you ready for me to rock your world Lex? Thomas Wills Wirfs Becton Still Thomas Wirfs Wills Becton But the gap has closed considerably.... Come.pick 6 after a trade back I'm very happy with any of these guys I am curious, not trying to stir the pot or anything. You guys both know I am highly critical of top of the draft prospects. On this one I am stumped. I cannot see a dividing line between 1 and 4 in talent , ability or draft value. How did you 2 come up with your 1-4 list What makesThomas better than Wirfs? Wirfs better than Wills? Wills better than Becton? Or is it just preference and a hunch?
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 29, 2020 10:37:31 GMT -5
Possibly in the Lexington world...in the Aris thought process, it goes...are you ready for me to rock your world Lex? Thomas Wills Wirfs Becton Still Thomas Wirfs Wills Becton But the gap has closed considerably.... Come.pick 6 after a trade back I'm very happy with any of these guys I am curious, not trying to stir the pot or anything. You guys both know I am highly critical of top of the draft prospects. On this one I am stumped. I cannot see a dividing line between 1 and 4 in talent , ability or draft value. How did you 2 come up with your 1-4 list What makesThomas better than Wirfs? Wirfs better than Wills? Wills better than Becton? Or is it just preference and a hunch? I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" As I've made clear, I am not knowledgeable beyond what I read but my gut says Becton has the highest bust factor because he has the least experience actually pass blocking. I vaguely recall reading that Alabama has a history of failed linemen at the NFL level so maybe Wills as well (can one of you draft-geeks confirm that?). Safest is Wirfs if you are happy with RT (though he may be able to move to LT) or Thomas if you have to know upfront LT isn't a problem. Regardless, I think the combine just cemented these guys as BPA candidates at 4 which is great for us. With Wirfs and Becton's show of athleticism, one can argue that they are actually a better pick than Young, even, should he fall. I think Tackles have a longer and more consistent impact on the game than Edge Rushers so, both being equal, I'm going Tackle. I was open to the idea of Okudah at 4 but not anymore - one has to wonder if folks may be looking to trade up in front of us for one of these guys now. As long as these guys are seen sticking a needle in their arm on live TV or eating a baby, this really couldn't have gone better for us.
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 29, 2020 13:14:38 GMT -5
I am curious, not trying to stir the pot or anything. You guys both know I am highly critical of top of the draft prospects. On this one I am stumped. I cannot see a dividing line between 1 and 4 in talent , ability or draft value. How did you 2 come up with your 1-4 list What makesThomas better than Wirfs? Wirfs better than Wills? Wills better than Becton? Or is it just preference and a hunch? I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" As I've made clear, I am not knowledgeable beyond what I read but my gut says Becton has the highest bust factor because he has the least experience actually pass blocking. I vaguely recall reading that Alabama has a history of failed linemen at the NFL level so maybe Wills as well (can one of you draft-geeks confirm that?). Safest is Wirfs if you are happy with RT (though he may be able to move to LT) or Thomas if you have to know upfront LT isn't a problem. Regardless, I think the combine just cemented these guys as BPA candidates at 4 which is great for us. With Wirfs and Becton's show of athleticism, one can argue that they are actually a better pick than Young, even, should he fall. I think Tackles have a longer and more consistent impact on the game than Edge Rushers so, both being equal, I'm going Tackle. I was open to the idea of Okudah at 4 but not anymore - one has to wonder if folks may be looking to trade up in front of us for one of these guys now. As long as these guys are seen sticking a needle in their arm on live TV or eating a baby, this really couldn't have gone better for us. bectons pass blocking is fine, Thomas needs the work in that department.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 29, 2020 13:32:28 GMT -5
I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" As I've made clear, I am not knowledgeable beyond what I read but my gut says Becton has the highest bust factor because he has the least experience actually pass blocking. I vaguely recall reading that Alabama has a history of failed linemen at the NFL level so maybe Wills as well (can one of you draft-geeks confirm that?). Safest is Wirfs if you are happy with RT (though he may be able to move to LT) or Thomas if you have to know upfront LT isn't a problem. Regardless, I think the combine just cemented these guys as BPA candidates at 4 which is great for us. With Wirfs and Becton's show of athleticism, one can argue that they are actually a better pick than Young, even, should he fall. I think Tackles have a longer and more consistent impact on the game than Edge Rushers so, both being equal, I'm going Tackle. I was open to the idea of Okudah at 4 but not anymore - one has to wonder if folks may be looking to trade up in front of us for one of these guys now. As long as these guys are seen sticking a needle in their arm on live TV or eating a baby, this really couldn't have gone better for us. bectons pass blocking is fine, Thomas needs the work in that department. Maybe, I don't claim to know but the stats showing he has very few attempts at pure pass protection compared to others suggest he gives the least data to judge his ability to pass protect. That is why I thought he may have a higher bust factor - less info to judge him by.
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 29, 2020 14:28:46 GMT -5
The Big Four OT, all will have productive NFL careers. Whether it’s at ROT or guard.. The , question is ,” Who will be the Best LOT in the NFL ? “ Becton and Thomas has played the position in college. Wills and Wirfs has shown quick feet and agility. At NO.4 Giants cannot afford to be wrong.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 29, 2020 15:04:31 GMT -5
I am curious, not trying to stir the pot or anything. You guys both know I am highly critical of top of the draft prospects. On this one I am stumped. I cannot see a dividing line between 1 and 4 in talent , ability or draft value. How did you 2 come up with your 1-4 list What makesThomas better than Wirfs? Wirfs better than Wills? Wills better than Becton? Or is it just preference and a hunch? I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" As I've made clear, I am not knowledgeable beyond what I read but my gut says Becton has the highest bust factor because he has the least experience actually pass blocking. I vaguely recall reading that Alabama has a history of failed linemen at the NFL level so maybe Wills as well (can one of you draft-geeks confirm that?). Safest is Wirfs if you are happy with RT (though he may be able to move to LT) or Thomas if you have to know upfront LT isn't a problem. Regardless, I think the combine just cemented these guys as BPA candidates at 4 which is great for us. With Wirfs and Becton's show of athleticism, one can argue that they are actually a better pick than Young, even, should he fall. I think Tackles have a longer and more consistent impact on the game than Edge Rushers so, both being equal, I'm going Tackle. I was open to the idea of Okudah at 4 but not anymore - one has to wonder if folks may be looking to trade up in front of us for one of these guys now. As long as these guys are seen sticking a needle in their arm on live TV or eating a baby, this really couldn't have gone better for us. I'll answer tonight after work
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 29, 2020 15:26:40 GMT -5
Possibly in the Lexington world...in the Aris thought process, it goes...are you ready for me to rock your world Lex? Thomas Wills Wirfs Becton Still Thomas Wirfs Wills Becton But the gap has closed considerably.... Come.pick 6 after a trade back I'm very happy with any of these guys I am curious, not trying to stir the pot or anything. You guys both know I am highly critical of top of the draft prospects. On this one I am stumped. I cannot see a dividing line between 1 and 4 in talent , ability or draft value. How did you 2 come up with your 1-4 list What makesThomas better than Wirfs? Wirfs better than Wills? Wills better than Becton? Or is it just preference and a hunch? For me personally I had Thomas and Becton at the top because I was most impressed watching them. I was impressed by Wirfs but the stumpy arms/OG label got into my head. I think Wills is good and all but I wasn't really impressed by his film. He was good and all but the others 3 really looked better. I got Thomas/Becton as the better run blockers and Wirfs as the better pass blocker.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 29, 2020 15:27:19 GMT -5
I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" As I've made clear, I am not knowledgeable beyond what I read but my gut says Becton has the highest bust factor because he has the least experience actually pass blocking. I vaguely recall reading that Alabama has a history of failed linemen at the NFL level so maybe Wills as well (can one of you draft-geeks confirm that?). Safest is Wirfs if you are happy with RT (though he may be able to move to LT) or Thomas if you have to know upfront LT isn't a problem. Regardless, I think the combine just cemented these guys as BPA candidates at 4 which is great for us. With Wirfs and Becton's show of athleticism, one can argue that they are actually a better pick than Young, even, should he fall. I think Tackles have a longer and more consistent impact on the game than Edge Rushers so, both being equal, I'm going Tackle. I was open to the idea of Okudah at 4 but not anymore - one has to wonder if folks may be looking to trade up in front of us for one of these guys now. As long as these guys are seen sticking a needle in their arm on live TV or eating a baby, this really couldn't have gone better for us. I'll answer tonight after work I thought this was your job
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 29, 2020 15:30:22 GMT -5
I'm going to add on to this question: who is the safest pick? who has the highest "bust factor?" I would say the top four are all pretty safe, if your team has decent coaching. I would say Becton has a bust factor only related to his giant size which can lead to injuries ect. Other than that I think the bust factor is pretty small with these guys. On the other end of the spectrum I think Becton has the highest celing again because of his size and tremendous power. If he gets some good coaching and they get the most out of him he could be the best OT in the league IMO.
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