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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 18:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 18:17:54 GMT -5
CONCLUSION Andrew Thomas is the best all-around tackle prospect in this draft, projecting near the top of the class as a pass protector and a run blocker. While there are other prospects that project (slightly) higher than him in one facet or the other, no one blends the two better than the three-year starter out of Georgia. This is consistent with what our draft analysts believe after poring through the tape, which strengthens the conclusions of this purely data-driven projection.
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Post by shocknaweny on Feb 25, 2020 18:21:27 GMT -5
He has the look of another right tackle to me ....like is there not an elite left tackle prospect in the 2020 Draft
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 18:25:08 GMT -5
He has the look of another right tackle to me ....like is there not an elite left tackle prospect in the 2020 Draft Thomas is a generational Left Tackle. Left Tackle.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 25, 2020 18:25:45 GMT -5
He has the look of another right tackle to me ....like is there not an elite left tackle prospect in the 2020 Draft How?
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Post by shocknaweny on Feb 25, 2020 18:27:12 GMT -5
well if he can play on the left side then I am all for him at fourth
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2020 18:44:22 GMT -5
The rare time where my eyeballs and PFF actually agree To me he is the best LT prospect to come out since Joe Thomas
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 25, 2020 18:44:59 GMT -5
He has the look of another right tackle to me ....like is there not an elite left tackle prospect in the 2020 Draft Thomas is a generational Left Tackle. Left Tackle. Has any legitimate scout supported this view?
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 25, 2020 19:28:10 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season?
Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not?
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Post by straightrazorman on Feb 25, 2020 19:36:39 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? I thought that I had read that Solder would not be unhappy moving to RT.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Feb 25, 2020 19:40:16 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? I thought that I had read that Solder would not be unhappy moving to RT. we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 25, 2020 19:54:58 GMT -5
I thought that I had read that Solder would not be unhappy moving to RT. we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 Conklin scares me. He's going to get paid a substantial amount of money, and his pass protection seems to be a legit concern. I want to say I read he had RB's and TE's help in pass protection on a higher % of plays than any other RT. If it wasn't the highest %, it was close to it. I'll see if I can't find the article. Either way, Conklin comes across as a very good run blocker in a run heavy offense, to me. I prefer we go OT in the draft. If we address OL in FA, grab a Center. Much cheaper, and just as big of a hole.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 19:55:36 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? He has not plummeted at all...majority of NFL teams will have Thomas as the #1 OT. This is the only thing that matters - what NFL teams think. PFF has always had him #1, still do Walterfootball has always had him #1, still do Come April, Andrew Thomas will be the 1st OT off the board, make no mistake about it
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 25, 2020 20:01:59 GMT -5
we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 Conklin scares me. He's going to get paid a substantial amount of money, and his pass protection seems to be a legit concern. I want to say I read he had RB's and TE's help in pass protection on a higher % of plays than any other RT. If it wasn't the highest %, it was close to it. I'll see if I can't find the article. Either way, Conklin comes across as a very good run blocker in a run heavy offense, to me. I prefer we go OT in the draft. If we address OL in FA, grab a Center. Much cheaper, and just as big of a hole. Here we go.....my memory wasn't spot on, but the point remains. Apparently ranks 49th in true pass sets over the last two years?? If true, that's alarming. “Conklin is the best right tackle on the market, and he’s coming off a regular season which he finished 12th overall among tackles in PFF grade (78.3) and fifth in run-blocking grade (81.0). Conklin has some issues in pass protection, as his pass-blocking grade ranks just 49th on true pass sets over the last two seasons, and he’s on the higher end among offensive tackles receiving help (double teams, chip blocks, etc).”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:04:25 GMT -5
Thomas is a generational Left Tackle. Left Tackle. Has any legitimate scout supported this view? Yes, I have
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:07:42 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? Thomas was a right tackle his freshmen year...left tackle sophomore and junior
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 25, 2020 20:18:36 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? Thomas was a right tackle his freshmen year...left tackle sophomore and junior For reals? Thought he played LT all 3....even better!!
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 25, 2020 20:28:02 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? He has not plummeted at all...majority of NFL teams will have Thomas as the #1 OT. This is the only thing that matters - what NFL teams think. PFF has always had him #1, still do Walterfootball has always had him #1, still do Come April, Andrew Thomas will be the 1st OT off the board, make no mistake about it Again, this was before the season ended so things obviously can change, but all I heard was how Thomas was a lock as a top 3 pick. The consensus was it'd go Burrow, then either Young or Thomas. Now, a lot of the mocks I see have him going as the 2nd or 3rd OT, and often times at pick 10 or after. Even Walterfootball has him going after Wills at #8. I don't get what's changed in the media's eyes.....not that it matters what the media thinks.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 20:31:34 GMT -5
He has not plummeted at all...majority of NFL teams will have Thomas as the #1 OT. This is the only thing that matters - what NFL teams think. PFF has always had him #1, still do Walterfootball has always had him #1, still do Come April, Andrew Thomas will be the 1st OT off the board, make no mistake about it Again, this was before the season ended so things obviously can change, but all I heard was how Thomas was a lock as a top 3 pick. The consensus was it'd go Burrow, then either Young or Thomas. Now, a lot of the mocks I see have him going as the 2nd or 3rd OT, and often times at pick 10 or after. Even Walterfootball has him going after Wills at #8. I don't get what's changed in the media's eyes.....not that it matters what the media thinks. Walterfootball has him going #4 overall to the Giants in Charlie's most updated mock walterfootball.com/draft2020charlie.php
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 25, 2020 20:44:14 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? From what I have read is he spends a little more time on the ground then some prefer. Balance issues Now that these guys have had time to break down the group as a whole some have him at 3 or 4 or 5. Not sure what to believe but this is what I have read.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2020 20:50:23 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? All the bedroom scouts all got boners for the new shiny objects that popped up Happens every year,a guy gets stale at the top. To me it was always Thomas,then Wirfs(all of a sudden certain bedroom scouts made up that he had short arms,the measurements say otherwise )as the 2 best draft eligible OTs this year My opinion has not changed...
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 20:52:59 GMT -5
Before the season ended, the two top prospects in this years draft were Young and Thomas. I have no clue why, but Thomas' name seem to have plummeted. Does anyone know of a reason why, or was he simply overrated before the end of the season? Thomas, and recently Wills, have become my favorite OT prospects if we go that route at #4. The fact Thomas has played LT throughout his college career might give him the edge long term, but can he play RT in the interim? Could we slide Solder over to RT, if not? From what I have read is he spends a little more time on the ground then some prefer. Balance issues Now that these guys have had time to break down the group as a whole some have him at 3 or 4 or 5. Not sure what to believe but this is what I have read. You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true.
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Post by djsbnyg on Feb 25, 2020 20:54:51 GMT -5
Wow, never knew Daniel Jeremiah has this much brainwashing power.
People will believe anything these days.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2020 20:56:59 GMT -5
From what I have read is he spends a little more time on the ground then some prefer. Balance issues Now that these guys have had time to break down the group as a whole some have him at 3 or 4 or 5. Not sure what to believe but this is what I have read. You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true. His mocks generally make no sense and when it comes to us it's like he never watched us at all
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 25, 2020 21:00:06 GMT -5
From what I have read is he spends a little more time on the ground then some prefer. Balance issues Now that these guys have had time to break down the group as a whole some have him at 3 or 4 or 5. Not sure what to believe but this is what I have read. You read that from 1 person...Daniel Jeremiah...Daniel Jeremiah has an agenda, don't let him brainwash you. And he is 1000% wrong, by the way. Thomas is NEVER on the ground in any tape of him. Provide ONE play where Thomas is on the ground. Just 1 play from any game. You can't. Because it's not true. It is what I have read. I go by what the teams do in the end and how they see these guys they know more and have more access then we do. I watched some of Wills and Thomas to be honest I wouldn't complain about either of them. Think Wills might be the nastiest of them all as far as attitude goes. I wouldn't complain withe any of Thomas Wirfs or Wills.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 25, 2020 22:10:43 GMT -5
Thomas is a generational Left Tackle. Left Tackle. Has any legitimate scout supported this view? This scout I like Thomas and Becton if we trade back.
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 25, 2020 22:21:02 GMT -5
we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 Conklin scares me. He's going to get paid a substantial amount of money, and his pass protection seems to be a legit concern. I want to say I read he had RB's and TE's help in pass protection on a higher % of plays than any other RT. If it wasn't the highest %, it was close to it. I'll see if I can't find the article. Either way, Conklin comes across as a very good run blocker in a run heavy offense, to me. I prefer we go OT in the draft. If we address OL in FA, grab a Center. Much cheaper, and just as big of a hole. Couldn’t agree more. Well said. Where’s Baldinger at in all this? I think he knows what he’s talking about.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2020 23:36:26 GMT -5
we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 Conklin scares me. He's going to get paid a substantial amount of money, and his pass protection seems to be a legit concern. I want to say I read he had RB's and TE's help in pass protection on a higher % of plays than any other RT. If it wasn't the highest %, it was close to it. I'll see if I can't find the article. Either way, Conklin comes across as a very good run blocker in a run heavy offense, to me. I prefer we go OT in the draft. If we address OL in FA, grab a Center. Much cheaper, and just as big of a hole. Yeah Agreed,hard pass on Conklin after watching him get badly exposed vs KC when they couldnt be run heavy and play action occasionally... I'm actually warming up to the idea of signing McGovern at C Above average player,and my reason is that while I would prefer to draft all my starters,we still have a very young QB still learning and now having to learn an entirely new system again,which means very good chance his processing time doesn't slow down as quickly as it would have had we stayed in the same system.. Having a veteran center helps take a lot off of Jones's plate calling protections and setting his line... Similar to when Ohare came over with a young Eli. Shouldn't cost more than 9 million a year for him
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Post by mikethenygfan on Feb 26, 2020 0:11:46 GMT -5
we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 Conklin scares me. He's going to get paid a substantial amount of money, and his pass protection seems to be a legit concern. I want to say I read he had RB's and TE's help in pass protection on a higher % of plays than any other RT. If it wasn't the highest %, it was close to it. I'll see if I can't find the article. Either way, Conklin comes across as a very good run blocker in a run heavy offense, to me. I prefer we go OT in the draft. If we address OL in FA, grab a Center. Much cheaper, and just as big of a hole. yeah i cant say i know to much about conklin accept for his name value. But even if true if he can open holes consistently for barkley and be atleast average in pass protection that would be our best olineman in years lol.if there are better olineman in free agency im all for it we need to give daniel jones and Saquon Barkley the best line possible.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 26, 2020 7:32:41 GMT -5
I thought that I had read that Solder would not be unhappy moving to RT. we really shouldnt care what solder thinks. We should sign conklin and draft a tackle and just let solder be an expensive backup for a year or 2 You want to sign Conklin and draft an OT in the first?
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