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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 14:11:54 GMT -5
I know Morehead believes it's just a myth, BUT........Joe Judge says, BPA is who we will draft.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2020 14:34:23 GMT -5
Whatever the Giants choose to do we have plenty of options at #4. It being Simmons, Thomas, Becton. You name it, I don’t think the Giants are trading back. If Gettleman falls in love with a player he will cut the phone lines and ignore any notes swept under the door in the war room.
As for best player available, I tend to want the best player in position of need. Which right now is tackle, but I really like what Simmons can do on the field. He could be our jack of all trades. A player, who I know sounds like foreign words around here. Could actually cover a tight end. Last time we saw that on a consistent basis we had to dust the old VHS and fast toward the cheesy miller lite commercials.
First time in a long time I’m looking forward to the draft. I feel, and hope that we look back at this draft and say that was a solid draft from top to bottom.
And why does the guy in the video always sound like he has permanent post nasal drip?
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 15:12:56 GMT -5
1) I think teams always say BPA because if they didn't other teams could try to pinpoint their pick.
2) I think BPA is true but I think it's not a simple 1-750 player list and take the next guy on it. If QB is top of our board at 4 we won't go QB. Personally I think you take a player that is best at a position you don't have a concrete starter in. Also if WR is the top of your board 4 times in a row you don't keep taking them. So there are caveats to the rule.
3) Simmons.
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Post by infinite420 on Apr 15, 2020 15:14:42 GMT -5
Whatever the Giants choose to do we have plenty of options at #4. It being Simmons, Thomas, Becton. You name it, I don’t think the Giants are trading back. If Gettleman falls in love with a player he will cut the phone lines and ignore any notes swept under the door in the war room. As for best player available, I tend to want the best player in position of need. Which right now is tackle, but I really like what Simmons can do on the field. He could be our jack of all trades. A player, who I know sounds like foreign words around here. Could actually cover a tight end. Last time we saw that on a consistent basis we had to dust the old VHS and fast toward the cheesy miller lite commercials. First time in a long time I’m looking forward to the draft. I feel, and hope that we look back at this draft and say that was a solid draft from top to bottom. And why does the guy in the video always sound like he has permanent post nasal drip? They have the pick of the litter at T this year, I hope they stand pat and take the one they like most, I think Thomas makes most sense personally bc we can not have Solder lining up next to Big Will another year, it will kill Hernnadez's confidence. Not to mention I just dont think you can justify a #4 pick on a RT. Naysayers will say Simmons is all-world and may be right, but the problem is its a "may." You cant use a #4 pick on a player like that unless you know 100% how youre going to use him, especially with players with comparable skillsets to be had in the 3-5th rounds, like Dye & Gay Jr than can cover a TE, since that seems to be everyones gripe. Even a guy like Chinn can play a similar role. Pick the best OT @ 4 and lets move it forward. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 15, 2020 15:27:26 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 15, 2020 15:41:08 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em. /thread |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2020 15:43:49 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff............... . I can’t help em. Thank God for that.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 15:57:53 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em. If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 15, 2020 16:03:54 GMT -5
1) I think teams always say BPA because if they didn't other teams could try to pinpoint their pick. 2) I think BPA is true but I think it's not a simple 1-750 player list and take the next guy on it. If QB is top of our board at 4 we won't go QB. Personally I think you take a player that is best at a position you don't have a concrete starter in. Also if WR is the top of your board 4 times in a row you don't keep taking them. So there are caveats to the rule. 3) Simmons. we've been bringing in O linemen for a while now and they don't seem to have made much of a difference, is it bad choices or bad coaching, I don't know but I do feel that if Simmons is there when we pick we need to treat our selves to a defensive future star, we all could sure use it.. |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2020 16:08:04 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em. If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 15, 2020 16:11:40 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. our defense has long been in need of a playmaker and most likely a real good one will be there for us ...Simmons. |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2020 16:18:16 GMT -5
I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. our defense has long been in need of a playmaker and most likely a real good one will be there for us ...Simmons. Last time we had a playmaker at the linebacker position was Jessie Armstead when we drafted him in ‘93. That’s 27 damn years ago.. We have some young fans who think the “crunch bunch” is a cereal. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 15, 2020 16:22:22 GMT -5
Whether it's an offensive player or defensive player, all I know is if you choose to exercise the pick and not trade back, they better really believe in that guy and he better become an impact player almost immediately.
Nobody (other than F-bomb) believed they would pick DJ at #6, so we really don't have any clue who they will think is the best player available and how they even have players ranked in that category.
Keep in mind the new coaches and schemes, I think there is a chance they pick someone that is going to surprise people. Not like DJ at 6 was, but maybe a less predicted person.
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Post by thetruth on Apr 15, 2020 16:23:13 GMT -5
I know Morehead believes it's just a myth, BUT........Joe Judge says, BPA is who we will draft. Wow, so this is what a young Dave Gettlemen looks like |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 15, 2020 16:26:05 GMT -5
I know Morehead believes it's just a myth, BUT........Joe Judge says, BPA is who we will draft. What does BPA really mean to a GM, HC, etc. Literally the best player available regardless of position? The best player available that we need most and can help the team win immediately? Judge mentions that BPA to him is a player that has long term upside. BPA is used of course but its not used in every round and its not a strict rule of thumb with every single pick in a given draft. Thats my layman's point of view. |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 15, 2020 16:29:05 GMT -5
our defense has long been in need of a playmaker and most likely a real good one will be there for us ...Simmons. Last time we had a playmaker at the linebacker position is Jessie Armstead when we drafted him in ‘93. That’s 27 damn years ago.. We have some young fans who think the “crunch bunch” is a cereal.  |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 15, 2020 16:47:52 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em. If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. If that’s what you concluded from my post “ I can’t help ya “ . |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 15, 2020 16:51:00 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. I’m afraid you get an F in due diligence before you stick your foot in your mouth on a post. I have stated more than once I wouldn’t be pissed if we draft Simmons. Step up your game  |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2020 17:03:31 GMT -5
I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. I’m afraid you get an F in due diligence before you stick your foot in your mouth on a post. I have stated more than once I wouldn’t be pissed if we draft Simmons. Step up your game You stated what more than once? I’m not going to reread all your posts to find these so-called “more than once” posts of yours not being pissed about the drafting of Simmons. This thread, you clearly made it known drafting a linebacker that can cover a tightend (because that’s all he can do) over a tackle who won’t let Jones break in half and have Barkley become castrated will not get the help from you. If anyone needs help it’s the poor souls that had to read that. My foot is on your post repeatedly stepping on it.. Now, let’s hear your reasoning of a tackle over a linebacker? You already used up Jones will be broken in half. |
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Post by Roswell on Apr 15, 2020 17:19:12 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. Nice post. Exactly |
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Post by Roswell on Apr 15, 2020 17:28:02 GMT -5
A lot of lines being drawn in the sand on this board about this topic. More than I can remember in a long while.
Truth is we need both. A playmaker on D and a tackle on O. So as long as they pick the right guy at either position, the Giants stand to be better.
What I don’t understand from the crowd that wants the OT is they base their argument on Jones being broken in half and throwing from his back and Barkley getting dropped behind the line.
But if Chase Young is there all of that misery magically goes away.
I get some of you don’t think Simmons = Young. I don’t either. But by taking Young if he’s there, aren’t you forgetting what the main points of your argument are?
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 17:37:52 GMT -5
we've been bringing in O linemen for a while now and they don't seem to have made much of a difference, is it bad choices or bad coaching, I don't know but I do feel that if Simmons is there when we pick we need to treat our selves to a defensive future star, we all could sure use it.. I do believe it was a combo of bad coaching, bad choices and bad luck. I think Pugh and Westburg could have been good, injuries robbed them. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 17:40:51 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. I hope the Giants draft Simmons just for the reason to piss that fan off. Well, Simmons would be a great addition to our defense too. I can’t forget to mention that. Look, we have our tackle thumpers here, and our Simmons guys here as well. Anyone who downplays the contribution that Simmons can bring to our team are. A, blind. B, hate linebackers. Or C, and this is my favorite. Are as sharp as a bag of wet hair. We should all be thrilled if we get Simmons. Maybe we all need a reminder here, our defense has sucked for a better part of 3 years now. This franchise has always prided themselves with their defense. And if we draft Simmons doesn’t mean the world will end and Daniel Jones will die from a lack of protection. What's funny is that there seems to be three groups. A) tackle guys, B) Simmons guys and C) tackle guys that feel the need to bash the crap out of Simmons and anyone that could possibly think about taking him. I don't see any Simmons guys bashing the idea of an OT. Kind of strange. You nailed it with the bag of wet hair though lol. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 17:42:41 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help. If that’s what you concluded from my post “ I can’t help ya “ . I did not conclude it, you said it. If you didn't mean it then try again bud. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 17:44:46 GMT -5
Nobody (other than F-bomb) believed they would pick DJ at #6, Not so fast bud. He was not the only one, there were a very small few of us.
Taking Jones at 6 was clear to anyone that was paying attention. As clear as taking Barkley at 2. People don't have to ability to forget their own bias and just read the playing field, that's the issue.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 15, 2020 17:45:31 GMT -5
we've been bringing in O linemen for a while now and they don't seem to have made much of a difference, is it bad choices or bad coaching, I don't know but I do feel that if Simmons is there when we pick we need to treat our selves to a defensive future star, we all could sure use it.. I do believe it was a combo of bad coaching, bad choices and bad luck. I think Pugh and Westburg could have been good, injuries robbed them. Both of those guys were terrible in short yardage. When the Giants had them they couldn’t make a third and 1 to save their lives. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 18:07:43 GMT -5
I do believe it was a combo of bad coaching, bad choices and bad luck. I think Pugh and Westburg could have been good, injuries robbed them. Both of those guys were terrible in short yardage. When the Giants had them they couldn’t make a third and 1 to save their lives. I think their injuries happened before they ever truly developed. No denying they were bad in those situations. They were at least two of the better players we have had over the years. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 15, 2020 18:14:35 GMT -5
Nobody (other than F-bomb) believed they would pick DJ at #6, Not so fast bud. He was not the only one, there were a very small few of us.
Taking Jones at 6 was clear to anyone that was paying attention. As clear as taking Barkley at 2. People don't have to ability to forget their own bias and just read the playing field, that's the issue.
I don't think taking Jones was as clear as you think...it was if you were the Giants since he was their guy, but there were certainly other options that could have been considered, and who may turn out to be better choices in the long run. I'm not saying they will be, and I certainly hope they won't be, but I don't think you can say with 100% certainty that DJ was definitely the right pick...not yet. If you believe he is your future franchise QB than you take him as soon as possible, but that doesn't mean it's definitely the right move. Only time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 18:27:47 GMT -5
A lot of lines being drawn in the sand on this board about this topic. More than I can remember in a long while. Truth is we need both. A playmaker on D and a tackle on O. So as long as they pick the right guy at either position, the Giants stand to be better. What I don’t understand from the crowd that wants the OT is they base their argument on Jones being broken in half and throwing from his back and Barkley getting dropped behind the line. But if Chase Young is there all of that misery magically goes away. I get some of you don’t think Simmons = Young. I don’t either but by taking Young if he’s there, aren’t you forgetting what the main points of your argument are? To be fair, there was only ONE poster saying that, The difference is, Young's ability to INSTANTLY improve our pass rush. Simmons is great and I wouldn't be upset if we pick him, but he's not as valuable has a great pass rusher OR a great LT for our new franchise QB. Young over Thomas because Thomas will probably play RT his first year. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 15, 2020 18:43:41 GMT -5
I don't think taking Jones was as clear as you think...it was if you were the Giants since he was their guy, but there were certainly other options that could have been considered, and who may turn out to be better choices in the long run. I'm not saying they will be, and I certainly hope they won't be, but I don't think you can say with 100% certainty that DJ was definitely the right pick...not yet. If you believe he is your future franchise QB than you take him as soon as possible, but that doesn't mean it's definitely the right move. Only time will tell. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it was clear he was the right pick or best pick, I'm just saying I thought it was clear he was the pick.
The truth is people (myself included) have a very hard time removing their own bias out of things. It's why people have trouble with gambling or the stock market. "Apple is dumb, I'm not buying that" or "I hate the Cowboys, clearly they won't cover the spread". What they do is use confirmation bias to spin reality until they convince themselves that the results they WANT are the results they will get. We are all susceptible to it and we all do it. It's a human flaw.
Another example is marriage. They convince themselves "this is the one" mean while everyone around them can see how horrible they are for each other.
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