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Post by giants38 on Apr 15, 2020 23:16:34 GMT -5
Geoff Schwartz:
As he showed at Clemson, Simmons can play linebacker, pass rusher, safety, and wherever else you want him. And that’s the issue. If you draft him and just try to figure out what he does when he gets on the field, you’ve now lost the value of that draft pick. If you’re drafting a player that high, you must know exactly where he fits in your defense and put him there.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 16, 2020 6:25:42 GMT -5
A lot of lines being drawn in the sand on this board about this topic. More than I can remember in a long while. Truth is we need both. A playmaker on D and a tackle on O. So as long as they pick the right guy at either position, the Giants stand to be better. What I don’t understand from the crowd that wants the OT is they base their argument on Jones being broken in half and throwing from his back and Barkley getting dropped behind the line. But if Chase Young is there all of that misery magically goes away. I get some of you don’t think Simmons = Young. I don’t either but by taking Young if he’s there, aren’t you forgetting what the main points of your argument are? To be fair, there was only ONE poster saying that, The difference is, Young's ability to INSTANTLY improve our pass rush. Simmons is great and I wouldn't be upset if we pick him, but he's not as valuable has a great pass rusher OR a great LT for our new franchise QB. Young over Thomas because Thomas will probably play RT his first year. I believe you are referring to me . To be fair I used the figure of speech “ broken in half “ but to imply I’m the only ONE who thinks that is off target by the feedback I got on the comment. Obviously DJ is not going to get broken in half but Barkley getting hit as he takes the handoff is not a figure of speech. Memories are short for some who saw DJ taking hit after hit after hit. Our pass pro stunk. Improvement in that area is the priority to me and there are OT’s and C’s there for the taking. Comments like “ we have taken OL in the past and they didn’t work out so we shouldn’t take another OL early” are pretty..........stupid. If we take Young or Simmons it’s not going to piss me off or make me throw my remote. I’d rather take Young over Simmons. Young’s last 3 games of his career were vs his teams biggest rival - Michigan Big 10 Championship Game - Wisconsin College Playoff - Clemson In the 3 biggest games of the year Young had a TOTAL of 8 tackles and NO SACKS. Great players play great in big games. Simmons looked great in the weak ACC. Sure he’s a talented athletic freak who has great potential to be good at something but where? How can a guy so gifted take so many bad angles to the ball carrier and have such a struggle shedding blocks? My preference is OT in 1st and C in the second.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 16, 2020 7:02:37 GMT -5
A lot of lines being drawn in the sand on this board about this topic. More than I can remember in a long while. Truth is we need both. A playmaker on D and a tackle on O. So as long as they pick the right guy at either position, the Giants stand to be better. What I don’t understand from the crowd that wants the OT is they base their argument on Jones being broken in half and throwing from his back and Barkley getting dropped behind the line. But if Chase Young is there all of that misery magically goes away. I get some of you don’t think Simmons = Young. I don’t either. But by taking Young if he’s there, aren’t you forgetting what the main points of your argument are? For me it’s about positional value. Edge Rushers and OT have much more value than LB/S, and we have huge needs at both of these value positions.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 16, 2020 9:35:45 GMT -5
A lot of lines being drawn in the sand on this board about this topic. More than I can remember in a long while. Truth is we need both. A playmaker on D and a tackle on O. So as long as they pick the right guy at either position, the Giants stand to be better. What I don’t understand from the crowd that wants the OT is they base their argument on Jones being broken in half and throwing from his back and Barkley getting dropped behind the line. But if Chase Young is there all of that misery magically goes away. I get some of you don’t think Simmons = Young. I don’t either. But by taking Young if he’s there, aren’t you forgetting what the main points of your argument are? For me it’s about positional value. Edge Rushers and OT have much more value than LB/S, and we have huge needs at both of these value positions. *applause *
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:55:31 GMT -5
If someone believes drafting a guy who can finally cover a TE is more valuable than an OT who could protect DJ from being broken in half and help SB not getting tackled as he receives the handoff................ I can’t help em. If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help.Wow, another Simmons vs OT thread among the 35 already flooding the waters... and who would of thunk it...yet more Michael, Simmons blivit.... Muscles are required intelligence not essential
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 9:56:12 GMT -5
For me it’s about positional value. Edge Rushers and OT have much more value than LB/S, and we have huge needs at both of these value positions. Are you talking about your preference for pick or your prediction for our pick? My question is this. If positional value is the most important thing (you didn't say that but it's a safe assumption based on your post correct me if I am wrong), then at what point do you consider a lower tier position?
Personally I work from the opposite side (and I think our staff does too). Say who is the best player. Then you see which players are graded close to that player. If a couple are graded similar you take the guy with the best position.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 9:58:07 GMT -5
If you honestly believe that choosing a LB means Jones will be broken in half you're the one that needs help.Wow, another Simmons vs OT thread among the 35 already flooding the waters... and who would of thunk it...yet more Michael, Simmons blivit.... Muscles are required intelligence not essential I come to this website to talk football. If you don't want to do that fine, go find someone else to talk to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:43:38 GMT -5
Wow, another Simmons vs OT thread among the 35 already flooding the waters... and who would of thunk it...yet more Michael, Simmons blivit.... Muscles are required intelligence not essential I come to this website to talk football. If you don't want to do that fine, go find someone else to talk to. I do as well...and surprisingly past Simmons is great and Barkley is great posts I'm just curious as to why you insult other posters as needing "help"....because they believe Jones needs more help than this OL provides. Data is there. Tape is there. OL is brutal. Tackles however, are not going to be there....later in the draft. Hell, you can't even name a tackle you have watched past the "fab" 4...yet simply suggest, we can get a tackle later in the draft...the kick the can method Back that crap up with some tackles, and what round they will be in...what do you believe will make them be there at pick 99 on..and really?...center a more important pick then tackle? Centers are always protected by the guards, and can lack athletic prowess ... vs a tackle? Is it the faith you have in Solder and the new turnstile on the right...and the reasoning that...we have at least bodies standing in front of the Jones enemies on the LOS? I am not following why our center need is more important vs...the tackle. All this, and yet you somehow believe this defense needs a single lone player to create it's awesomeness ... and after this year, we're going to be making teams go three and out?...because of Simmons lol?...a SINGLE great player on defense...sort of as you suggested in the past, a Bosa away from being in the Super Bowl? From 2 wins, a Bosa type...and a Super Bowl? Who needs help? I'd suggest we are a bunch of 2 and 3 picks away from getting starting players with talent before we get that Bosa type difference maker and talk, Super Bowl (yes, you said look at the 49ers before you start with the make up crap)...our defense is so void of talent it goes past Simmons...using a 4 pick on Simmons vs a trade back for a starting tackle and a great LB...and still a no go? Probably best to trade back...over taking Simmons There you go...some football talk. What tackles you believe will be there at 99? Do we even need a tackle?...you said not really....center is more worthy of the 2 pick...thus, a tackle at 99 and beyond? Will Simmons take this defense to the next level and go 30 to 5?...or are you expecting the Super Bowl with a Derwin James type player? Will Solder be better this year? ...to below average again? Can Gates be a center? Does it matter if the offensive line is again, brutal? What free agents you going to go after next year to replace Solder? Why does cap space and player contracts not matter to you, when it has a team winning/losing aspect on each and every team?...QB rookie contract suggests lets get that QB humming and pay up other aspects on the team...not much time to take advantage of the eventual 40 million a year we will be paying Jones...thinking along the lines we get a WR in this immensely deep WR class, and get a starting tackle to protect the QB who needs more help then he had.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 10:49:52 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to why you insult other posters as needing "help"....because they believe Jones needs more help than this OL provides. I told you before and I'll tell you again. Try to read the post I am responding to. That needing help line was taken from his post. It had nothing to do with him thinking Jones needs help, it had to do with him suggesting that people wanting Simmons don't care if Jones 'gets broken in half'.
You seem to have taken more offense to the comment than that poster did, probably because he understood the context. Glad you wrote a 10,000 word essay to ask me that though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:55:36 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to why you insult other posters as needing "help"....because they believe Jones needs more help than this OL provides. I told you before and I'll tell you again. Try to read the post I am responding to. That needing help line was taken from his post. It had nothing to do with him thinking Jones needs help, it had to do with him suggesting that people wanting Simmons don't care if Jones 'gets broken in half'.
You seem to have taken more offense to the comment than that poster did, probably because he understood the context. Glad you wrote a 10,000 word essay to ask me that though.
Yes, he said "people" need help...you always say "people" when referring to any post against your opinion. You responded, "you're" the one who needs help Insult...not that I care...but you hand them out as much as you complain about them Seems you chopped out that football talk essay..after declaring to me you come here to talk football...yet, you are defending yourself from your insult to another poster call out If you want to discuss football...as you just said...try responding to the football area. So again, why is a center more important than a tackle for the Giants?
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 16, 2020 10:55:48 GMT -5
I come to this website to talk football. If you don't want to do that fine, go find someone else to talk to. I do as well...and surprisingly past Simmons is great and Barkley is great posts I'm just curious as to why you insult other posters as needing "help"....because they believe Jones needs more help than this OL provides. Data is there. Tape is there. OL is brutal. Tackles however, are not going to be there....later in the draft. Hell, you can't even name a tackle you have watched past the "fab" 4...yet simply suggest, we can get a tackle later in the draft...the kick the can method Back that crap up with some tackles, and what round they will be in...what do you believe will make them be there at pick 99 on..and really?...center a more important pick then tackle? Centers are always protected by the guards, and can lack athletic prowess ... vs a tackle? Is it the faith you have in Solder and the new turnstile on the right...and the reasoning that...we have at least bodies standing in front of the Jones enemies on the LOS? I am not following why our center need is more important vs...the tackle. All this, and yet you somehow believe this defense needs a single lone player to create it's awesomeness ... and after this year, we're going to be making teams go three and out?...because of Simmons lol?...a SINGLE great player on defense...sort of as you suggested in the past, a Bosa away from being in the Super Bowl? From 2 wins, a Bosa type...and a Super Bowl? Who needs help? I'd suggest we are a bunch of 2 and 3 picks away from getting starting players with talent before we get that Bosa type difference maker and talk, Super Bowl (yes, you said look at the 49ers before you start with the make up crap)...our defense is so void of talent it goes past Simmons...using a 4 pick on Simmons vs a trade back for a starting tackle and a great LB...and still a no go? Probably best to trade back...over taking Simmons There you go...some football talk. What tackles you believe will be there at 99? Do we even need a tackle?...you said not really....center is more worthy of the 2 pick...thus, a tackle at 99 and beyond? Will Simmons take this defense to the next level and go 30 to 5?...or are you expecting the Super Bowl with a Derwin James type player? Will Solder be better this year? ...to below average again? Can Gates be a center? Does it matter if the offensive line is again, brutal? What free agents you going to go after next year to replace Solder? Why does cap space and player contracts not matter to you, when it has a team winning/losing aspect on each and every team?...QB rookie contract suggests lets get that QB humming and pay up other aspects on the team...not much time to take advantage of the eventual 40 million a year we will be paying Jones...thinking along the lines we get a WR in this immensely deep WR class, and get a starting tackle to protect the QB who needs more help then he had. Your last line One of the fab 4 and one of the WRs we all pick somewhere starting at 99 or 111... We save something like 30 million in cap space in 2021 when we delete Tate and Soldier with major upgrades... Extend Tomlinson,get a splash FA on defense in year 2 with this staff because we will know more about these kids..draft 90% defense in 2021 BPA while we will have a top offense and special teams unit.. I'll share a 12 pack with ya
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 11:04:35 GMT -5
I do as well...and surprisingly past Simmons is great and Barkley is great posts I'm just curious as to why you insult other posters as needing "help"....because they believe Jones needs more help than this OL provides. Data is there. Tape is there. OL is brutal. Tackles however, are not going to be there....later in the draft. Hell, you can't even name a tackle you have watched past the "fab" 4...yet simply suggest, we can get a tackle later in the draft...the kick the can method Back that crap up with some tackles, and what round they will be in...what do you believe will make them be there at pick 99 on..and really?...center a more important pick then tackle? Centers are always protected by the guards, and can lack athletic prowess ... vs a tackle? Is it the faith you have in Solder and the new turnstile on the right...and the reasoning that...we have at least bodies standing in front of the Jones enemies on the LOS? I am not following why our center need is more important vs...the tackle. All this, and yet you somehow believe this defense needs a single lone player to create it's awesomeness ... and after this year, we're going to be making teams go three and out?...because of Simmons lol?...a SINGLE great player on defense...sort of as you suggested in the past, a Bosa away from being in the Super Bowl? From 2 wins, a Bosa type...and a Super Bowl? Who needs help? I'd suggest we are a bunch of 2 and 3 picks away from getting starting players with talent before we get that Bosa type difference maker and talk, Super Bowl (yes, you said look at the 49ers before you start with the make up crap)...our defense is so void of talent it goes past Simmons...using a 4 pick on Simmons vs a trade back for a starting tackle and a great LB...and still a no go? Probably best to trade back...over taking Simmons There you go...some football talk. What tackles you believe will be there at 99? Do we even need a tackle?...you said not really....center is more worthy of the 2 pick...thus, a tackle at 99 and beyond? Will Simmons take this defense to the next level and go 30 to 5?...or are you expecting the Super Bowl with a Derwin James type player? Will Solder be better this year? ...to below average again? Can Gates be a center? Does it matter if the offensive line is again, brutal? What free agents you going to go after next year to replace Solder? Why does cap space and player contracts not matter to you, when it has a team winning/losing aspect on each and every team?...QB rookie contract suggests lets get that QB humming and pay up other aspects on the team...not much time to take advantage of the eventual 40 million a year we will be paying Jones...thinking along the lines we get a WR in this immensely deep WR class, and get a starting tackle to protect the QB who needs more help then he had. Your last line One of the fab 4 and one of the WRs we all pick somewhere starting at 99 or 111... We save something like 30 million in cap space in 2021 when we delete Tate and Soldier with major upgrades... Extend Tomlinson,get a splash FA on defense in year 2 with this staff because we will know more about these kids..draft 90% defense in 2021 BPA while we will have a top offense and special teams unit.. I'll share a 12 pack with ya I don't understand how a center is more important than offensive tackles in value (he will suggest we have turnstiles already in place and no center)...and why he keeps suggesting cap space and what we pay players as no big deal when it does, regarding if this team will ever be in the playoffs again..seems to love Simmons, and works every single post backwards from that single thought mindset. Meh, what do I know...Simmons gets us to the Super Bowl, and Columbo makes a 5th round tackle into Tyron Smith.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 16, 2020 11:10:28 GMT -5
Your last line One of the fab 4 and one of the WRs we all pick somewhere starting at 99 or 111... We save something like 30 million in cap space in 2021 when we delete Tate and Soldier with major upgrades... Extend Tomlinson,get a splash FA on defense in year 2 with this staff because we will know more about these kids..draft 90% defense in 2021 BPA while we will have a top offense and special teams unit.. I'll share a 12 pack with ya I don't understand how a center is more important than offensive tackles in value (he will suggest we have turnstiles already in place and no center)...and why he keeps suggesting cap space and what we pay players as no big deal when I does, regarding if this team will ever be in the playoffs again..seems to love Simmons, and works every single post backwards from that single thought mindset. Meh, what do I know...Simmons gets us to the Super Bowl, and Columbo makes a 5th round tackle into Tyron Smith. One of many reasons i blocked him(most of which you covered..) Toxic
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 11:27:27 GMT -5
To be fair, there was only ONE poster saying that, The difference is, Young's ability to INSTANTLY improve our pass rush. Simmons is great and I wouldn't be upset if we pick him, but he's not as valuable has a great pass rusher OR a great LT for our new franchise QB. Young over Thomas because Thomas will probably play RT his first year. I believe you are referring to me . To be fair I used the figure of speech “ broken in half “ but to imply I’m the only ONE who thinks that is off target by the feedback I got on the comment. Obviously DJ is not going to get broken in half but Barkley getting hit as he takes the handoff is not a figure of speech. Memories are short for some who saw DJ taking hit after hit after hit. Our pass pro stunk. Improvement in that area is the priority to me and there are OT’s and C’s there for the taking. Comments like “ we have taken OL in the past and they didn’t work out so we shouldn’t take another OL early” are pretty..........stupid. If we take Young or Simmons it’s not going to piss me off or make me throw my remote. I’d rather take Young over Simmons. Young’s last 3 games of his career were vs his teams biggest rival - Michigan Big 10 Championship Game - Wisconsin College Playoff - Clemson In the 3 biggest games of the year Young had a TOTAL of 8 tackles and NO SACKS. Great players play great in big games. Simmons looked great in the weak ACC. Sure he’s a talented athletic freak who has great potential to be good at something but where? How can a guy so gifted take so many bad angles to the ball carrier and have such a struggle shedding blocks? My preference is OT in 1st and C in the second. Exactly...it's as if any offensive linemen we now take will be Flowers...pure insanity. Tackles on offense are indeed difficult to project, but like a QB...they are HUGE positions of need, and you do have to take a chance on them, and trust your scouts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 11:31:49 GMT -5
Whatever the Giants choose to do we have plenty of options at #4. It being Simmons, Thomas, Becton. You name it, I don’t think the Giants are trading back. If Gettleman falls in love with a player he will cut the phone lines and ignore any notes swept under the door in the war room. As for best player available, I tend to want the best player in position of need. Which right now is tackle, but I really like what Simmons can do on the field. He could be our jack of all trades. A player, who I know sounds like foreign words around here. Could actually cover a tight end. Last time we saw that on a consistent basis we had to dust the old VHS and fast toward the cheesy miller lite commercials. First time in a long time I’m looking forward to the draft. I feel, and hope that we look back at this draft and say that was a solid draft from top to bottom. And why does the guy in the video always sound like he has permanent post nasal drip? I am just worried Gettleman won’t know how to use Skype or whatever they use. I am picturing an old man banging on the keyboard yelling this thing is broken
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 11:35:22 GMT -5
we've been bringing in O linemen for a while now and they don't seem to have made much of a difference, is it bad choices or bad coaching, I don't know but I do feel that if Simmons is there when we pick we need to treat our selves to a defensive future star, we all could sure use it.. I do believe it was a combo of bad coaching, bad choices and bad luck. I think Pugh and Westburg could have been good, injuries robbed them. What was the knock on Pugh? Was it short arms? So today I woke up and I am on the Simmons bandwagon. You convinced me. Historically early round Tackles don’t make a huge impact their first few years and Dave has a knack for grabbing great linemen in the later rounds.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 16, 2020 11:39:14 GMT -5
BPA isn’t always who the fans think
If we listened to fans we’d be looking for a qb
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 14:54:02 GMT -5
I do believe it was a combo of bad coaching, bad choices and bad luck. I think Pugh and Westburg could have been good, injuries robbed them. What was the knock on Pugh? Was it short arms? So today I woke up and I am on the Simmons bandwagon. You convinced me. Historically early round Tackles don’t make a huge impact their first few years and Dave has a knack for grabbing great linemen in the later rounds. Welcome aboard. It was not my intent to convert anyone, but I'm always glad when people see the light and switch on over. Only 7 days left for others to switch over haha.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 14:55:41 GMT -5
BPA isn’t always who the fans thinkIf we listened to fans we’d be looking for a qb That is the one thing we can not predict. In the end we have no clue how our staff will rate these guys. I made a list of 10 players one year and then we took Odell and he was not on my list at all. Same with Engram. The closer to the top of the draft the easier it gets but we still don't really know how DG rates any of these players.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 16, 2020 15:58:17 GMT -5
Whatever the Giants choose to do we have plenty of options at #4. It being Simmons, Thomas, Becton. You name it, I don’t think the Giants are trading back. If Gettleman falls in love with a player he will cut the phone lines and ignore any notes swept under the door in the war room. As for best player available, I tend to want the best player in position of need. Which right now is tackle, but I really like what Simmons can do on the field. He could be our jack of all trades. A player, who I know sounds like foreign words around here. Could actually cover a tight end. Last time we saw that on a consistent basis we had to dust the old VHS and fast toward the cheesy miller lite commercials. First time in a long time I’m looking forward to the draft. I feel, and hope that we look back at this draft and say that was a solid draft from top to bottom. And why does the guy in the video always sound like he has permanent post nasal drip? I am just worried Gettleman won’t know how to use Skype or whatever they use. I am picturing an old man banging on the keyboard yelling this thing is broken Don't worry. The "computer folks" will catch him up to the 21st century. First order of business, get a cell phone. The whole planet has one. Second, if a general manager wants to discuss trades during the draft, you don't take the phone off the hook and ignore it like the plague. And lastly, if you want to interview a draft prospect FaceTime is perfectly normal. It doesn't mean what time is your face.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 16, 2020 16:20:25 GMT -5
1) I think teams always say BPA because if they didn't other teams could try to pinpoint their pick. 2) I think BPA is true but I think it's not a simple 1-750 player list and take the next guy on it. If QB is top of our board at 4 we won't go QB. Personally I think you take a player that is best at a position you don't have a concrete starter in. Also if WR is the top of your board 4 times in a row you don't keep taking them. So there are caveats to the rule. 3) Simmons. everybody always says BPA when discussing drafting, but its BS and everyone knows it, it just sounds good. Giant fans know what they saw last year and it wasn't pretty. I think on offense if we can find a deep threat receiver and a playmaker on defense we will be light years ahead of last year
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 16:54:17 GMT -5
1) I think teams always say BPA because if they didn't other teams could try to pinpoint their pick. 2) I think BPA is true but I think it's not a simple 1-750 player list and take the next guy on it. If QB is top of our board at 4 we won't go QB. Personally I think you take a player that is best at a position you don't have a concrete starter in. Also if WR is the top of your board 4 times in a row you don't keep taking them. So there are caveats to the rule. 3) Simmons. everybody always says BPA when discussing drafting, but its BS and everyone knows it, it just sounds good. Giant fans know what they saw last year and it wasn't pretty. I think on offense if we can find a deep threat receiver and a playmaker on defense we will be light years ahead of last year I have always said BPA is not a list that you go down. It is a guide. No coach/GM/Owner truly makes a list and just goes down the list no matter what. That would be foolish. You take the best player, within reason. Only the Detroit Lions take WR 15 times in a row lol.
We certainly have lots of room to grow from last year. Just the fact that Jones isn't a rookie this year will help us a ton.
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Post by lt56 on Apr 16, 2020 17:48:21 GMT -5
The #1 Guy on the Big Board Regardless of position at #4 is the best way to go! Yes we NEED a athlete like Simmons to help cover the middle of the field, something we couldn't do last season, I'm tired of Zach Ertz doing this to us because we don't have Linebackers who can run... ...yet some don't think Isaiah Simmons is a "NEED"? I guess those fans solution is to get a Lineman to protect DJ so that we can just score more points and that will fix everything but those fans are WRONG! If you can't stop people in this league you're not winning many games. They can always have DJ move around and having him get the ball out faster to compensate for the lack of great tackles but it is going to be very hard to devise Schemes to cover for Blake Martinez inability to cover down field
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 16, 2020 17:56:15 GMT -5
If we draft anything but an OT on draft night, then we are letting DJ and Saquon down.
If they are the future, the PROTECT THEM!!!!!!
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 19:11:59 GMT -5
If we draft anything but an OT on draft night, then we are letting DJ and Saquon down. If they are the future, the PROTECT THEM!!!!!! Thank god teams don't run the draft worried about which players they will let down.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 19:13:42 GMT -5
Man, we were close on that one lmao. A LB that can cover on an OT in round 1 will be great. Hopefully we get the other position in round 2. This has to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 19:32:37 GMT -5
The #1 Guy on the Big Board Regardless of position at #4 is the best way to go! Yes we NEED a athlete like Simmons to help cover the middle of the field, something we couldn't do last season, I'm tired of Zach Ertz doing this to us because we don't have Linebackers who can run... ...yet some don't think Isaiah Simmons is a "NEED"? I guess those fans solution is to get a Lineman to protect DJ so that we can just score more points and that will fix everything but those fans are WRONG! If you can't stop people in this league you're not winning many games. They can always have DJ move around and having him get the ball out faster to compensate for the lack of great tackles but it is going to be very hard to devise Schemes to cover for Blake Martinez inability to cover down field Blown assignment...nobody was even attempting to cover him Here we simply have a lack of talent...left tackle and running back without the ability to pass block 7 blocking 5...what a mess
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 16, 2020 19:40:04 GMT -5
Man, we were close on that one lmao. A LB that can cover on an OT in round 1 will be great. Hopefully we get the other position in round 2. This has to stop. If we could get our dbs in the vicinity of the wrs, it would be a big improvement over last year.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 20:08:11 GMT -5
If we could get our dbs in the vicinity of the wrs, it would be a big improvement over last year. That will be nice too. I think that had a lot to do with Bethea not being a cover guy and being really old and the rest of the DBs being extremely young and Bettchers complicated system. I think those guys will be much better this year. Cover LBs has been an issue for years though. This board used to complain about not taking a first round LB since 1984. We will see this year if the trend breaks.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2020 20:30:00 GMT -5
SMH. Shows a clip of a 1st round LT getting beat in pass pro. Suggests that the only way to fix the OL is with a 1st round LT. The irony is not lost on me. There is more than one way to fix an OL (or a defense).
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