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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:31:52 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%.
1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games?
2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility?
All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:52:46 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Devil's advocate........neither one were able to keep their jobs after only 2 years. You don't think that could have been a factor in that decision? A lack of leadership is why we won 4 games and they got fired. A player sleeping in meetings and not learning the playbook falls right into that category. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:56:26 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Actually I remember it was Baker admitting after game 10 that he didn't know the play book.. Don't recall the sleeping article and who claimed it but that would go along with the not knowing the plays.. |
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Post by McCherry on May 29, 2020 12:01:37 GMT -5
Do we really need another thread for this?
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 29, 2020 12:12:11 GMT -5
Do we really need another thread for this? It's hard for the new guys to get a word in on threads that go over 3 pages. They usually turn into grudge matches and go off on tangents. Sometimes it's good to rehash, just don't beat up any dead horses in here |
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Post by GameTime on May 29, 2020 12:18:04 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. those things, whether true, or not are totally meaningless pending the current events. Right now I couldn't care less if he slept in a meeting. I want to know if he is an utter idiot/criminal for committing armed robbery. Lets wait and go from there |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 12:30:31 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Solid advice for any situation. |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 12:32:14 GMT -5
Do we really need another thread for this? It's hard for the new guys to get a word in on threads that go over 3 pages. They usually turn into grudge matches and go off on tangents. Sometimes it's good to rehash, just don't beat up any dead horses in here I deny the existence of dead horses. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 29, 2020 12:34:30 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Deandre is that you bro? How is life on bond treating you? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Devil's advocate........neither one were able to keep their jobs after only 2 years. You don't think that could have been a factor in that decision? A lack of leadership is why we won 4 games and they got fired. A player sleeping in meetings and not learning the playbook falls right into that category. It was pretty obvious that lack of talent got em fired. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:16:19 GMT -5
All of this from an anonymous, invisible, north pole living, willy wonka chocolate bar eating source, who everyone believes in 100%. 1. You think Shurmer would get another job in the NFL if he's known to let players who sleep in meetings start 15 games? 2. You think a tenured defensive coordinator would allow a rookie CB, who didn't know the playbook, to start 15 games against his job security and credibility? All I'm saying is don't believe everything you hear in the streets.. that's dangerous. Actually I remember it was Baker admitting after game 10 that he didn't know the play book.. Don't recall the sleeping article and who claimed it but that would go along with the not knowing the plays.. A rookie not completely knowing an NFL playbook? Wow, that almost never happens (sarcasm) |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 13:18:38 GMT -5
Actually I remember it was Baker admitting after game 10 that he didn't know the play book.. Don't recall the sleeping article and who claimed it but that would go along with the not knowing the plays.. A rookie not completely knowing an NFL playbook? Wow, that almost never happens (sarcasm) After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:20:19 GMT -5
A rookie not completely knowing an NFL playbook? Wow, that almost never happens (sarcasm) After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. Only thing I see here is honesty. Something most rookies won't say to the media, ever. Rookies lose starting positions every year, but they will never blatantly say "I'm having trouble with the schemes/concepts in our playbook" |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 13:35:50 GMT -5
After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. Only thing I see here is honesty. Something most rookies won't say to the media, ever. Rookies lose starting positions every year, but they will never blatantly say "I'm having trouble with the schemes/concepts in our playbook" Not denying his honesty. I'm questioning his wisdom. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:40:11 GMT -5
A rookie not completely knowing an NFL playbook? Wow, that almost never happens (sarcasm) After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. Getting arrested for armed robbery is the worse.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:41:55 GMT -5
After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. Getting arrested for armed robbery is the worse.. You're heading into murky waters with that statement, but you already know that.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:42:31 GMT -5
Actually I remember it was Baker admitting after game 10 that he didn't know the play book.. Don't recall the sleeping article and who claimed it but that would go along with the not knowing the plays.. A rookie not completely knowing an NFL playbook? Wow, that almost never happens (sarcasm) A poster out here changing the parameters of a discussion to fit some agenda?? Wow that happens all the time.. (No sarcasm) |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:43:26 GMT -5
Getting arrested for armed robbery is the worse.. You're heading into murky waters with that statement, but you already know that.. Just stating facts but you already know that.. |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 13:45:32 GMT -5
After 10 games? Not sure which is worse, not knowing the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games, or admitting to the press in NY that you don't know the playbook after a full off-season and 10 games. Getting arrested for armed robbery is the worse.. If he did it. That isn't clear yet. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:47:02 GMT -5
Getting arrested for armed robbery is the worse.. If he did it. That isn't clear yet. Here's to hoping he didn't and that they were trying to frame him.. |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 13:49:24 GMT -5
You're heading into murky waters with that statement, but you already know that.. Just stating facts but you already know that.. Just because someone is arrested doesn't mean they did something wrong. The opposite is true as well. I've been on both ends of that and have had a significant number of situations where police involvement was necessary and police involvement when it wasn't necessary. So pointing out that the act of getting arrested is somehow an indictment of the individual is denying the reality that many arrests are without merit. |
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Post by Jomo on May 29, 2020 13:49:52 GMT -5
I was right there with the OP until "the incident".
It was at that point that we started hearing from on the record scouts and coaches.
They spoke of his lack of discipline and motivation through college that extended to the combine and Senior Bowl.
All the reports had overlapped around the themes of indifference, laziness, free lancing etc.
Who knows what actually went down but he seems like a bad bet to me, having used up all his mulligans.
If he gets to camp we shall see.....I always hope for the best but just in case, the coaches need to have a strong plan B.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 14:28:28 GMT -5
Just stating facts but you already know that.. Just because someone is arrested doesn't mean they did something wrong. The opposite is true as well. I've been on both ends of that and have had a significant number of situations where police involvement was necessary and police involvement when it wasn't necessary. So pointing out that the act of getting arrested is somehow an indictment of the individual is denying the reality that many arrests are without merit. He put himself in this position. If you want to find some outlier situations to give him a pass then that's on you. I just stated facts like him admitting to not knowing the play book after 10 weeks.. |
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 14:49:50 GMT -5
Just because someone is arrested doesn't mean they did something wrong. The opposite is true as well. I've been on both ends of that and have had a significant number of situations where police involvement was necessary and police involvement when it wasn't necessary. So pointing out that the act of getting arrested is somehow an indictment of the individual is denying the reality that many arrests are without merit. He put himself in this position. If you want to find some outlier situations to give him a pass then that's on you. I just stated facts like him admitting to not knowing the play book after 10 weeks.. We don't know if he "put" himself in any position. This doesn't look good on the surface, but since we don't know what happened the mere fact that he was arrested is not a knock against him. It is not hard to get a young man arrested on made up charges. |
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Post by IrishMike on May 29, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -5
NONE of that happened with this staff. All that matters now is whether he is an armed criminal or not.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 29, 2020 15:53:11 GMT -5
It looks liked Shurmer and Bettcher were sleeping during the games. No adjustments at all.
I think its been proven Baker fell asleep in some meetings. And showed a lot of lackadaisical attitude as far as learning goes. And that showed up on the game film.
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Post by jmike on May 29, 2020 15:55:08 GMT -5
NONE of that happened with this staff. All that matters now is whether he is an armed criminal or not. Seeing as he will need his arms if he gets out of this, I'm perfectly happy if he remains armed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 16:06:05 GMT -5
NONE of that happened with this staff. All that matters now is whether he is an armed criminal or not. Seeing as he will need his arms if he gets out of this, I'm perfectly happy if he remains armed. This is something @nedsfeed would post on Twitter 😅 |
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Post by jb456 on May 29, 2020 16:13:25 GMT -5
It looks liked Shurmer and Bettcher were sleeping during the games. No adjustments at all. I think its been proven Baker fell asleep in some meetings. And showed a lot of lackadaisical attitude as far as learning goes. And that showed up on the game film. To your point, I don't see how ANYONE could have any confidence in Bettcher after that train-wreck of a season. The one game that really pops out at me was the Tampa bay game. I know the Giants eventually won it but the fact that he left JJ on an island with Evans while he was getting abused over and over again is unforgivable. Bettcher completely embarrassed JJ and poisoned his relationship with the Giants. Why the F wasn't he giving JJ help? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 17:45:56 GMT -5
Devil's advocate........neither one were able to keep their jobs after only 2 years. You don't think that could have been a factor in that decision? A lack of leadership is why we won 4 games and they got fired. A player sleeping in meetings and not learning the playbook falls right into that category. It was pretty obvious that lack of talent got em fired. "Obvious"? lol...it was a roster full of young talented players. 3 of them were 1st round picks including our rookie QB. No one has any idea how those players will turn out yet. Struggling was the expectation, but that staff failed to get the absolute BEST out of them. Flat out lack of leadership got Shurmur fired. Lack of talent would have gotten Gettleman fired as well. |
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