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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 20:44:50 GMT -5
my heart says 10-6 with a playoff spot. But my head says 6-10 but showing marked improvement We are playing a QB who turns 38 at the end of the year. Marked improvement is no mans land. We need drastic improvement or another year of implosion to our us back at the top of the draft. If playing Eli leads to a 6-10/7-9 type season we’ve wasted the most valuable thing in the world...Time. JR wasted 5 prime yrs of Eli's career with saddling him with a putrid OL & run of the mill RBs from 2013-2017. Now that was a waste of valuable time. Funny how a bunch of other 37-38yr old QBs led their teams to SBs but somehow Eli is the only one who can't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 20:50:21 GMT -5
We are playing a QB who turns 38 at the end of the year. Marked improvement is no mans land. We need drastic improvement or another year of implosion to our us back at the top of the draft. If playing Eli leads to a 6-10/7-9 type season we’ve wasted the most valuable thing in the world...Time. JR wasted 5 prime yrs of Eli's career with saddling him with a putrid OL & run of the mill RBs from 2013-2017. Now that was a waste of valuable time. Funny how a bunch of other 37-38yr old QBs led their teams to SBs but somehow Eli is the only one who can't. Who are the “bunch of other” 37-38 year old QBs to wi. sBs? Brady, Peyton, and Elway 3 of the top 7 QBs ever? And Keytin was dragged to his 2nd title. Exudes are fine fit Eli but good QBs don’t go 3-12 31st in points. They just don’t. Our offense the last 2 years played the way offenses with rookies or journeymen QBs play. Eli has been our highest paid player every year with salary comes despite accountability yet Eli far too often gets treated like a volunteer victim. He eats the biggest chunk of our cap. Hes supposed to do more with less. Not do less himself.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2018 20:52:40 GMT -5
well I usually go with 10-6 just about every season. I actually think more like 8-8. But 10-6 is only two more measly wins....lol ok...9-7 two more measly wons is the difference between closing games out and not. 2016 they did and last year they didn't last season 13 losses was way more not than closing out games.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 20:54:45 GMT -5
You forgot Kurt Warner with Az, he was 37-38 that yr as well. Yeah, our O has stunk it up big time the past 2 yrs & failed to put up 30pts in the past 32 games. Not having an effective run game will do that to ya. When the D knows that you can't run the ball in from even the damn 5yd line, they can play the pass all the way & make you settle for 3s. Something tells me that with SB in the backfield this yr, opposing Ds won't make that same assumption this yr.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 21:19:11 GMT -5
JR wasted 5 prime yrs of Eli's career with saddling him with a putrid OL & run of the mill RBs from 2013-2017. Now that was a waste of valuable time. Funny how a bunch of other 37-38yr old QBs led their teams to SBs but somehow Eli is the only one who can't. Who are the “bunch of other” 37-38 year old QBs to wi. sBs? Brady, Peyton, and Elway 3 of the top 7 QBs ever? And Keytin was dragged to his 2nd title. Exudes are fine fit Eli but good QBs don’t go 3-12 31st in points. They just don’t. Our offense the last 2 years played the way offenses with rookies or journeymen QBs play. Eli has been our highest paid player every year with salary comes despite accountability yet Eli far too often gets treated like a volunteer victim. He eats the biggest chunk of our cap. Hes supposed to do more with less. Not do less himself. I disagree. Does Eli deserve some of the blame? Of course he does..but you can't blame Eli for not blocking well, not running the ball effectively, and not catching the ball. I don't care who the QB is. If the OL cannot block it doesn't matter how many weapons you have there will not be enough time to get the ball to them. Not to mention if an effective running game is not present you become one dimensional encouraging the defense to drop back in coverage. Did you happen to watch Aaron Rogers this past season? I'm not comparing Eli to Rogers but Rogers struggled at times when key starters of his OL went down and we all know that Aaron is way more mobile than Eli. How can a QB succeed without the right supporting cast around him? Jerry Reese has failed Eli after the second SB by not surrounding him with the necessary supporting cast to succeed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:25:16 GMT -5
I will say 7-9 worst case 10-6 best case, if they can stay together as a team during the first half murders row of schedules these are possible.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:29:37 GMT -5
5-11 Reasons: 1) weak rightside of Oline 2) weak secondary 3) lack of a natural pass rush meaning blitzing to create pressure will be needed 4) lack of depth - our starting 22 could probably contend for a playoff spot, but our 2nd units are putrid at most spots, we will see tremendous falloff with each injury 5) tough first 7 - starting slow will temper everything 6) I think Eli is done - check, chuck and duck, 1 read professions have become his norm it’s not impossible some improved blocking rekindles his desire to stand in the pocket under duress and go through progressions, but I’m not predicting that I think this is Eli and Vernon’s last season as Giants.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:38:41 GMT -5
You forgot Kurt Warner with Az, he was 37-38 that yr as well. Yeah, our O has stunk it up big time the past 2 yrs & failed to put up 30pts in the past 32 games. Not having an effective run game will do that to ya. When the D knows that you can't run the ball in from even the damn 5yd line, they can play the pass all the way & make you settle for 3s. Something tells me that with SB in the backfield this yr, opposing Ds won't make that same assumption this yr. A lot of people think that teams can have success being one dimensional but the the Giants were one step worse by being pathetic in every aspect they couldn't pass protect or run the ball that is a tough task for any QB,Eli will be fine with protection and even an average run game, the only problem I see is the OL is still a work in progress.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 5, 2018 21:41:36 GMT -5
two more measly wons is the difference between closing games out and not. 2016 they did and last year they didn't last season 13 losses was way more not than closing out games. there were many games including quite a few early on and throughout the season they were so close to winning but time management or stupid penalties or not knocking down a ball cost them the game. Go back and look at the schedule and tbe summary of some of the games. There were right there for the taking on many of them. Then once all the injuries piled up it turned to a 3-13 Trainwreck
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 21:42:31 GMT -5
Who are the “bunch of other” 37-38 year old QBs to wi. sBs? Brady, Peyton, and Elway 3 of the top 7 QBs ever? And Keytin was dragged to his 2nd title. Exudes are fine fit Eli but good QBs don’t go 3-12 31st in points. They just don’t. Our offense the last 2 years played the way offenses with rookies or journeymen QBs play. Eli has been our highest paid player every year with salary comes despite accountability yet Eli far too often gets treated like a volunteer victim. He eats the biggest chunk of our cap. Hes supposed to do more with less. Not do less himself. I disagree. Does Eli deserve some of the blame? Of course he does..but you can't blame Eli for not blocking well, not running the ball effectively, and not catching the ball. I don't care who the QB is. If the OL cannot block it doesn't matter how many weapons you have there will not be enough time to get the ball to them. Not to mention if an effective running game is not present you become one dimensional encouraging the defense to drop back in coverage. Did you happen to watch Aaron Rogers this past season? I'm not comparing Eli to Rogers but Rogers struggled at times when key starters of his OL went down and we all know that Aaron is way more mobile than Eli. How can a QB succeed without the right supporting cast around him? Jerry Reese has failed Eli after the second SB by not surrounding him with the necessary supporting cast to succeed. Don't ya know that since 2013, Eli has been expected to run, catch & block as well as throwing the ball. I believe he was expected to punt as well as kick FGs. Thanks to our lack of a run game the past 5 yrs that scared no defensive coordinator whatsoever, our O has been 1 dimensional & very easy to game plan for, add to the fact that Eli is not an athletic QB that can hurt you with his legs, it's made an opposing DCs job that much easier to game plan for the Giants these past few yrs. Just take away the deep game with the 2 high safety cuz they have zero fear of our run game & all you leave the Giants with is the 2 second slant play or quick out pattern 25x per game. DCs won't be able to pull that BS this yr, of that I can pretty much guarantee.
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Post by SemperFi on Sept 5, 2018 21:44:19 GMT -5
My original prediction was 12 - 4. Vernon high ankle sprain = possible loss and Stewart will probably contribute to another loss because Coach will be pressured to use him on a critical play that misfires. So I think we go 10 - 6.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Sept 5, 2018 21:45:56 GMT -5
8-8
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 21:47:05 GMT -5
I disagree. Does Eli deserve some of the blame? Of course he does..but you can't blame Eli for not blocking well, not running the ball effectively, and not catching the ball. I don't care who the QB is. If the OL cannot block it doesn't matter how many weapons you have there will not be enough time to get the ball to them. Not to mention if an effective running game is not present you become one dimensional encouraging the defense to drop back in coverage. Did you happen to watch Aaron Rogers this past season? I'm not comparing Eli to Rogers but Rogers struggled at times when key starters of his OL went down and we all know that Aaron is way more mobile than Eli. How can a QB succeed without the right supporting cast around him? Jerry Reese has failed Eli after the second SB by not surrounding him with the necessary supporting cast to succeed. Don't ya know that since 2013, Eli has been expected to run, catch & block as well as throwing the ball. I believe he was expected to punt as well as kick FGs. Thanks to our lack of a run game the past 5 yrs that scared no defensive coordinator whatsoever, our O has been 1 dimensional & very easy to game plan for, add to the fact that Eli is not an athletic QB that can hurt you with his legs, it's made an opposing DCs job that much easier to game plan for the Giants these past few yrs. Just take away the deep game with the 2 high safety cuz they have zero fear of our run game & all you leave the Giants with is the 2 second slant play or quick out pattern 25x per game. DCs won't be able to pull that BS this yr, of that I can pretty much guarantee. Shhh...be careful you'll be labeled an Eli home regardless if you state the facts...
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Post by giants38 on Sept 5, 2018 22:33:21 GMT -5
I still say 6-10 because i have zero faith in the OL.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 22:40:19 GMT -5
I still say 6-10 because i have zero faith in the OL. Oh ye of zero faith.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 1:02:40 GMT -5
We are playing a QB who turns 38 at the end of the year. Marked improvement is no mans land. We need drastic improvement or another year of implosion to our us back at the top of the draft. If playing Eli leads to a 6-10/7-9 type season we’ve wasted the most valuable thing in the world...Time. JR wasted 5 prime yrs of Eli's career with saddling him with a putrid OL & run of the mill RBs from 2013-2017. Now that was a waste of valuable time. Funny how a bunch of other 37-38yr old QBs led their teams to SBs but somehow Eli is the only one who can't. In the modern era you're talking about: Tom Brady Peyton Manning John Elway Rich Gannon I know, even you, aren't putting Eli in the same class as the first four. Now regarding that list: - Tom Brady is probably the greatest of all time.
- Peyton Manning was really bad in the both the regular season and post season the year the Broncos beat the Panthers in the SB. The Broncos defense was elite that year.
- John Elway is an all time great. However he didn't win a SB until the Broncos surrounded him with a 2000 yard rusher and one of the best defenses in the NFL at the time.
- Rich Gannon sucks.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 6, 2018 6:05:41 GMT -5
I think the Giants start off 2 - 0, hit a rough patch over the next five games to be 3 - 4, then get it together and wind up in the 9 - 7/10 - 6 range.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 7:42:29 GMT -5
I think the Giants start off 2 - 0, hit a rough patch over the next five games to be 3 - 4, then get it together and wind up in the 9 - 7/10 - 6 range. 3-4 is a perfectly acceptable start against this schedule. The problem from 3-4 is you've used your rope. They'd need to not F up any of the games they "should" win from there.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 7:50:41 GMT -5
I think the Giants start off 2 - 0, hit a rough patch over the next five games to be 3 - 4, then get it together and wind up in the 9 - 7/10 - 6 range. 3-4 is a perfectly acceptable start against this schedule. The problem from 3-4 is you've used your rope. They'd need to not F up any of the games they "should" win from there. You DO realize that most teams will look at the Giants game as a a game THEY "should" win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 8:16:01 GMT -5
3-4 is a perfectly acceptable start against this schedule. The problem from 3-4 is you've used your rope. They'd need to not F up any of the games they "should" win from there. You DO realize that most teams will look at the Giants game as a a game THEY "should" win. i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 8:26:43 GMT -5
3-4 is a perfectly acceptable start against this schedule. The problem from 3-4 is you've used your rope. They'd need to not F up any of the games they "should" win from there. You DO realize that most teams will look at the Giants game as a a game THEY "should" win. I'm talking from a point spread standpoint. Over the final 9 we will be the favorites in a good # of them assuming we start 3-4 and continue to win the games where we are favored. Our final 5 home games are all very winnable. If they started 3-4 and won those 5 they'd need to get 1 road 1 to get to 10. And among the road games are @ SF, @ Wash, @ Indy.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 8:27:36 GMT -5
You DO realize that most teams will look at the Giants game as a a game THEY "should" win. i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over. I admit that they did look good in the first half of the Lions game with Davis Webb but alas...........
Anyway..... Our O line is very unsettled and our pass rush is still a mystery, not to mention our thin secondary. "Our offense looks too good"? I just don't get that, at least not yet. When did they look good? I see an improvement at one position on the O line. The rest are either a rookie or unproven players.
I appreciate your optimism but they have a lot to prove and have a ton of question marks. I'm just going to keep my expectations in check and try to enjoy watching my team.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 6, 2018 8:33:05 GMT -5
Idk probably 7-9, 8-8
Offense should see an improvement, but the OL is obviously still a major question mark.
I'm way more concerned with a lack of a pass rush and CB depth than anything.
I think the story of the team this year is that they field an offense that ranks in the 12ish range for points scored/yards etc - - - - but their defense cannot make critical stops in the passing game at key moments of the game.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 6, 2018 8:33:48 GMT -5
10-6. Our QB gets some needed protection.
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Post by vegasgmen on Sept 6, 2018 8:38:03 GMT -5
10-6 If 3 or more key injuries pile up start subtracting wins
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 8:54:24 GMT -5
i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over. I admit that they did look good in the first half of the Lions game with Davis Webb but alas...........
Anyway..... Our O line is very unsettled and our pass rush is still a mystery, not to mention our thin secondary. "Our offense looks too good"? I just don't get that, at least not yet. When did they look good? I see an improvement at one position on the O line. The rest are either a rookie or unproven players.
I appreciate your optimism but they have a lot to prove and have a ton of question marks. I'm just going to keep my expectations in check and try to enjoy watching my team.
I'm going to try to not address all the people who claim this "offense looks too good" and just let them run with their high expectations until proven otherwise.. This post perfectly sums up what I see going into the season on that side of the ball because I just don't get all the hype. Hope that Oline gels fast and Barkley is the generational player that he was drafted to be... GO GIANTS!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 9:07:01 GMT -5
i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over. I admit that they did look good in the first half of the Lions game with Davis Webb but alas...........
Anyway..... Our O line is very unsettled and our pass rush is still a mystery, not to mention our thin secondary. "Our offense looks too good"? I just don't get that, at least not yet. When did they look good? I see an improvement at one position on the O line. The rest are either a rookie or unproven players.
I appreciate your optimism but they have a lot to prove and have a ton of question marks. I'm just going to keep my expectations in check and try to enjoy watching my team.
The point is, there's absolutely no reason for teams to look at the offense and believe they "should" win considering the offense's potential. I certainly hope some teams sleep on us, but that's highly unlikely with Eli, ODB and Barkley on the roster.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 9:16:09 GMT -5
I admit that they did look good in the first half of the Lions game with Davis Webb but alas...........
Anyway..... Our O line is very unsettled and our pass rush is still a mystery, not to mention our thin secondary. "Our offense looks too good"? I just don't get that, at least not yet. When did they look good? I see an improvement at one position on the O line. The rest are either a rookie or unproven players.
I appreciate your optimism but they have a lot to prove and have a ton of question marks. I'm just going to keep my expectations in check and try to enjoy watching my team.
The point is, there's absolutely no reason for teams to look at the offense and believe they "should" win considering the offense's potential. I certainly hope some teams sleep on us, but that's highly unlikely with Eli, ODB and Barkley on the roster. There are actually plenty of reasons. It's not about sleeping on anyone. Fan's attitudes don't effect the team's. I'm just telling you that the games we think our team "should" win are the same games opposing fans think THEY "should" win.
You seem to be going with the "on paper" argument. because we have yet to see it on the field.
Everyone has an inflated view of their own team, like we see here. We were 3-13 last year and the only team that was worse didn't win a game. And we had our starting QB all year.
Suggesting we are now some kind of juggernaut seems unreasonable to me.
Who knows what 2018 will bring. With all these new players, many of whom are outcasts from other teams, a completely new staff with brand new schemes, it's easy to think we might struggle, especially early.
And who knows where the injuries will fall. But we know they are coming. It's the NFL. They always do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 9:29:30 GMT -5
You DO realize that most teams will look at the Giants game as a a game THEY "should" win. i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over. Our offense looks too good to just sleep over? This is based on what?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 9:34:28 GMT -5
i hope so but I doubt it. The offense looks too good to just sleep over. Our offense looks too good to just sleep over? This is based on what? Hater/cowboy fan... Can't figure out which one yet...
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