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Post by PennState1 on Sept 16, 2020 6:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 16, 2020 6:45:49 GMT -5
it will be interesting to see how the team responds and reacts next week against the Bears. Their D ain't to shabby either.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 6:48:36 GMT -5
I hope the o-line takes this as a direct insult and plays with great anger on Sunday.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 16, 2020 6:59:56 GMT -5
it will be interesting to see how the team responds and reacts next week against the Bears. Their D ain't to shabby either. There's not a whole lot you can do with a very new and developing line. They need to get more creative with Barkley in the passing aspect, and perhaps it wouldn't be the worst thing for him to show a bit more power at the line on a few plays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 7:41:02 GMT -5
And there it is...game planned to stuff the run. With our oline it wasn’t much of a chore. Tomlin isn’t stupid. He knew without even preseason our line wasn’t repaired. And we knew it too. People need to stop badmouthing Barkley. It’s irrational.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 8:20:30 GMT -5
I hope the o-line take this as a direct insult and plays with great anger on Sunday. anger and as a unit
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 16, 2020 8:23:03 GMT -5
I hope the o-line take this as a direct insult and plays with great anger on Sunday. If our guys need motivation from an opposing coach then they’re in the wrong business. We ran for a team total 29 yards. That should be enough motivation to play better.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 8:23:51 GMT -5
Teams plan to stop Barkley every game. Not some genius move by Tomlin. We all know the Steelers D is tops but their run D last season, while very good, was ranked 14th. This was more the Giants oline and Barkely just not executing at all. I mean they were less than zero for most of the game.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 16, 2020 8:25:49 GMT -5
Where’s Parcells when you need him? Club 13, meet club 29..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 8:27:18 GMT -5
I hope the o-line take this as a direct insult and plays with great anger on Sunday. If our guys need motivation from an opposing coach then they’re in the wrong business. We ran for a team total 29 yards. That should be enough motivation to play better. 100% For a guy as talented as Saquon, man weve pout him through some hard times in his short career thus far. it seems when teams intend to shut him down they succeed with flying colors. I hope we put someone in front of him to lead the way and block, last year I remember it was like the steelers game, we give him the ball and hes alone to deal with a mob bum rushing him.
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Post by southerner on Sept 16, 2020 8:38:55 GMT -5
Tomlin knew the Giant’s offensive line sucks and took full advantage of it.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 8:44:21 GMT -5
What he didn't say and probably was thinking......"But we never thought it would be that easy to shut him down".
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 16, 2020 9:18:31 GMT -5
Chicago and other teams will probably do the same thing until the Giants prove they can adapt - let's hope they adapt.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 9:39:43 GMT -5
Chicago and other teams will probably do the same thing until the Giants prove they can adapt - let's hope they adapt. Every team the Giants face will key on Barkley. They have since he was drafted pretty much. Its nothing new or unexpected. it wasnt that oline didnt adapt is that they didnt execute at all.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 16, 2020 12:04:27 GMT -5
Chicago and other teams will probably do the same thing until the Giants prove they can adapt - let's hope they adapt. Every team the Giants face will key on Barkley. They have since he was drafted pretty much. Its nothing new or unexpected. it wasnt that oline didnt adapt is that they didnt execute at all. Right, but PIT had 8 in the box constantly and was blitzing over 50% of their defensive snaps. It's less the focus on Barkley and more the way they attacked.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 12:35:03 GMT -5
Every team the Giants face will key on Barkley. They have since he was drafted pretty much. Its nothing new or unexpected. it wasnt that oline didnt adapt is that they didnt execute at all. Right, but PIT had 8 in the box constantly and was blitzing over 50% of their defensive snaps. It's less the focus on Barkley and more the way they attacked. It may have looked like 8 in the box but it wasn't The same way this team has been successfully defended since they traded OBJ mid level zone to snuff out Shepard,Tate,the TEs,but close enough to blitz Barkley on every play Live with a big play against by Slayton or 2 because they have nobody else to threaten the other side of the field Until this line gells and settles down they have to 1.the idea of 80% of the offense out of shotgun was the correct way to come out,especially out of the 12. 2.Detach Engram,make him a pseudo big slot receiver that actually can block really well out in space...its going to naturally pull someone out of the box. 3.This is tough because they are playing one handed but establish something early to force the safeties back ..the problem is they don't have tbe firepower to threaten the entire field ,Slayton can't do this himself 4.Barkley is already established..teams have him as the main threat,don't even hand it to him at all,lots of RPO and play fakes ..get him in space early in the passing game on designed plays. 5.More of Board early,jet sweeps and things...4.42 speed Thin out the box and we havw a chance to get him going
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 16, 2020 13:30:43 GMT -5
Right, but PIT had 8 in the box constantly and was blitzing over 50% of their defensive snaps. It's less the focus on Barkley and more the way they attacked. It may have looked like 8 in the box but it wasn't The same way this team has been successfully defended since they traded OBJ mid level zone to snuff out Shepard,Tate,the TEs,but close enough to blitz Barkley on every play Live with a big play against by Slayton or 2 because they have nobody else to threaten the other side of the field Until this line gells and settles down they have to 1.the idea of 80% of the offense out of shotgun was the correct way to come out,especially out of the 12. 2.Detach Engram,make him a pseudo big slot receiver that actually can block really well out in space...its going to naturally pull someone out of the box. 3.This is tough because they are playing one handed but establish something early to force the safeties back ..the problem is they don't have tbe firepower to threaten the entire field ,Slayton can't do this himself 4.Barkley is already established..teams have him as the main threat,don't even hand it to him at all,lots of RPO and play fakes ..get him in space early in the passing game on designed plays. 5.More of Board early,jet sweeps and things...4.42 speed Thin out the box and we havw a chance to get him going They were playing single high with their SS lurking around the LBs just about every non third down snap
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 13:40:45 GMT -5
It may have looked like 8 in the box but it wasn't The same way this team has been successfully defended since they traded OBJ mid level zone to snuff out Shepard,Tate,the TEs,but close enough to blitz Barkley on every play Live with a big play against by Slayton or 2 because they have nobody else to threaten the other side of the field Until this line gells and settles down they have to 1.the idea of 80% of the offense out of shotgun was the correct way to come out,especially out of the 12. 2.Detach Engram,make him a pseudo big slot receiver that actually can block really well out in space...its going to naturally pull someone out of the box. 3.This is tough because they are playing one handed but establish something early to force the safeties back ..the problem is they don't have tbe firepower to threaten the entire field ,Slayton can't do this himself 4.Barkley is already established..teams have him as the main threat,don't even hand it to him at all,lots of RPO and play fakes ..get him in space early in the passing game on designed plays. 5.More of Board early,jet sweeps and things...4.42 speed Thin out the box and we havw a chance to get him going They were playing single high with their SS lurking around the LBs just about every non third down snap Then even more damming that we didn't have anything worth fearing outside Especially in shotgun they should have checked out of the run and featured Slayton one on one This is a case where play action would have been an every play occurrence All the more reason I think Shepard and Tate are miscast in this offense because teams only view these guys aw an annoying nuciense
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 16, 2020 13:44:32 GMT -5
Every teams , will be keying on Barkley. . Barkley , should be in motion going out on passes . Even starting out as , a wide out.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 16, 2020 13:47:41 GMT -5
They were playing single high with their SS lurking around the LBs just about every non third down snap Then even more damming that we didn't have anything worth fearing outside Especially in shotgun they should have checked out of the run and featured Slayton one on one This is a case where play action would have been an every play occurrence All the more reason I think Shepard and Tate are miscast in this offense because teams only view these guys aw an annoying nuciense Shep isn't miscast as a slot receiver. It's just that he only has Slayton taking pressure off the perimeter. I like Shep, a lot. He makes really tough catches in traffic and runs great routes. You just can't have your #1 receiver be that guy. So I disagree with your notion that they're miscast.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 13:58:23 GMT -5
Then even more damming that we didn't have anything worth fearing outside Especially in shotgun they should have checked out of the run and featured Slayton one on one This is a case where play action would have been an every play occurrence All the more reason I think Shepard and Tate are miscast in this offense because teams only view these guys aw an annoying nuciense Shep isn't miscast as a slot receiver. It's just that he only has Slayton taking pressure off the perimeter. I like Shep, a lot. He makes really tough catches in traffic and runs great routes. You just can't have your #1 receiver be that guy. So I disagree with your notion that they're miscast. He is miscast because this is a vertical strike offense.. Shepard is perfect in either a team that runs a lot of 11 formation or a classic Erheart/Perkins style where slot type receivers flourish running option routes. He needs space in the middle of the field..the box,to be effective or have receivers outside that push the box back The way the Steelers played us his area was clogged up. This is why I've been screaming at the top of my lungs we need a 2nd Slayton type receiver to push everyone back out of the box into a deep zone. Shepard and Tate arw not going to do this. This age you can't just have one deep guy,you need speed all over the field This is why we need to see more of Board and Ratley out of the 12,both are more speed/deep threats Its a major long shot,but then again many didn't think a rookie 5th round pick would be our best receiver last year. Either that or they really have to be creative thinning out the box because until the Online can work as a unit or Slayton starts beating teams on his own like OBJ used to teams are going to 100% sell out on Barkley
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Post by bigbluerekncrew on Sept 16, 2020 14:57:28 GMT -5
Until the Oline gets better/makes changes, the blueprint has been laid out for any team to punch us in the face.
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Post by southerner on Sept 16, 2020 15:05:34 GMT -5
Until the Oline gets better/makes changes, the blueprint has been laid out for any team to punch us in the face. If the guys that started at center and right tackle are better than the other Giant backups, then there is nothing the Giants can do this year.....another lost season. Once again we may be discussing the upcoming draft by Halloween.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 16, 2020 15:30:12 GMT -5
Not a surprise.
SQB is our best offensive weapon, of course their game plan is to shut him down. Theyre gonna make our 2nd year qb and our underwhelming wrs beat em.....EVERY TEAM is gonna game plan us this way
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 15:31:30 GMT -5
Not a surprise. SQB is our best offensive weapon, of course their game plan is to shut him down. Theyre gonna make our 2nd year qb and our underwhelming wrs beat em.....EVERY TEAM is gonna game plan us this way So you draft a RB #2 who can be easily "shut down?"
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 15:35:36 GMT -5
Not a surprise. SQB is our best offensive weapon, of course their game plan is to shut him down. Theyre gonna make our 2nd year qb and our underwhelming wrs beat em.....EVERY TEAM is gonna game plan us this way But but... OuR rEcIeVeRs ArE gOoD eNoUgH!YoU cAnT aLlOcAtE mAjOr DrAfT rEcOuRcEs tO tHeM. We wOn A sUpErBoWL iN 1990 wItHoUt gOoD rEcIeVeRs
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Post by jb456 on Sept 16, 2020 15:38:08 GMT -5
Chicago and other teams will probably do the same thing until the Giants prove they can adapt - let's hope they adapt. Not many teams can do what the Stealers did but Chicago is up their in defense so that's possible. Hopefully, they can adapt and improve...
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 16, 2020 15:48:51 GMT -5
Not a surprise. SQB is our best offensive weapon, of course their game plan is to shut him down. Theyre gonna make our 2nd year qb and our underwhelming wrs beat em.....EVERY TEAM is gonna game plan us this way So you draft a RB #2 who can be easily "shut down?" shut down when the opposing teams defensive plan is to focus all of its resources on a game changing rb and more or less abandon the pass to focus on the run? Yes You're still hung up on his draft position?? Only one that would have been acceptable other than SQB was Quentin Nelson (who was who i really wanted)
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 15:52:31 GMT -5
Chicago and other teams will probably do the same thing until the Giants prove they can adapt - let's hope they adapt. Not many teams can do what the Stealers did but Chicago is up their in defense so that's possible. Hopefully, they can adapt and improve... Adapt Barkley is established so don't even try to establish him on the ground Try to get him the ball in space and in the passing game Maybe see if Ratley out of the 12 opposite Slayton can hit some lightning strike plays d0wnfield..
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 15:54:47 GMT -5
So you draft a RB #2 who can be easily "shut down?" shut down when the opposing teams defensive plan is to focus all of its resources on a game changing rb and more or less abandon the pass to focus on the run? Yes You're still hung up on his draft position?? Only one that would have been acceptable other than SQB was Quentin Nelson (who was who i really wanted) Yes I am. We expended a ton of draft capital on a guy who can't help us win. But he IS pretty to look at....so there's that.
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