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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 24, 2020 17:12:32 GMT -5
He did prove that he wasn't very good as a CB last year which was why he stayed on the market for so long and wanted to switch to safety.. Our options are slim. I like Ryan on the fact that he has played the position. And when you see our depth at corner it’s not exactly cornerback U. Also, he’s making $7.5 million this season. Are we really paying him this on the sole reason to be a player without a position? He has played outside before think at some point that might happen if Yaidom or Ballentine don't take ownership of that spot. Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him. Pickens are slim maybe they give the kid they brought up from the practice squad a shot played for Grahm in Miami. Agree Bradberry has been playing against some of the best WRs in the league when he was in the south. Why even mess around he just Allen Robinson down Who ever is #2 is gonna geta lot of action.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 6:39:10 GMT -5
He did prove that he wasn't very good as a CB last year which was why he stayed on the market for so long and wanted to switch to safety.. Our options are slim. I like Ryan on the fact that he has played the position. And when you see our depth at corner it’s not exactly cornerback U. Also, he’s making $7.5 million this season. Are we really paying him this on the sole reason to be a player without a position? He has played outside before think at some point that might happen if Yaidom or Ballentine don't take ownership of that spot. Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him. That will be starting this week and unfortunately any of the options currently on the roster don't seem to be capable of filling the spot no matter how much they are getting paid. But hey this defense is the 4th ranked in the league so I don't see why anyone would be concerned!
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Post by GameTime on Sept 25, 2020 6:54:59 GMT -5
Our options are slim. I like Ryan on the fact that he has played the position. And when you see our depth at corner it’s not exactly cornerback U. Also, he’s making $7.5 million this season. Are we really paying him this on the sole reason to be a player without a position? Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him. That will be starting this week and unfortunately any of the options currently on the roster don't seem to be capable of filling the spot no matter how much they are getting paid. But hey this defense is the 4th ranked in the league so I don't see why anyone would be concerned!
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D.
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 6:57:50 GMT -5
That will be starting this week and unfortunately any of the options currently on the roster don't seem to be capable of filling the spot no matter how much they are getting paid. But hey this defense is the 4th ranked in the league so I don't see why anyone would be concerned!
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 7:21:56 GMT -5
That will be starting this week and unfortunately any of the options currently on the roster don't seem to be capable of filling the spot no matter how much they are getting paid. But hey this defense is the 4th ranked in the league so I don't see why anyone would be concerned!
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. You nailed it! The Giants went the route of trying to solidify the backfield while ignoring the pass rush and due to a couple of bad draft choices they have failed. Then they also decided to over draft and trade for "run stoppers" which is now not working out.. Bad times in Giants country..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 25, 2020 7:50:16 GMT -5
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. You nailed it! The Giants went the route of trying to solidify the backfield while ignoring the pass rush and due to a couple of bad draft choices they have failed. Then they also decided to over draft and trade for "run stoppers" which is now not working out.. Bad times in Giants country.. I am an eternal optimist in the beginning of every (most) seasons. For me the DBs are still the weak spot but I feel the D overall has an arrow pointing up in all phases. I feel the coaching is there as well. Actually my least favorite D coach is Graham. I know he's a Yale guy in that regard should understand all aspects of defense but he does not inspire confidence at all when I hear his pressers. Maybe he over thinks with this 8 DB 3 DL schemes. IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 8:04:03 GMT -5
You nailed it! The Giants went the route of trying to solidify the backfield while ignoring the pass rush and due to a couple of bad draft choices they have failed. Then they also decided to over draft and trade for "run stoppers" which is now not working out.. Bad times in Giants country.. I am an eternal optimist in the beginning of every (most) seasons. For me the DBs are still the weak spot but I feel the D overall has an arrow pointing up in all phases. I feel the coaching is there as well. Actually my least favorite D coach is Graham. I know he's a Yale guy in that regard should understand all aspects of defense but he does not inspire confidence at all when I hear his pressers. Maybe he over thinks with this 8 DB 3 DL schemes. IDK. There has been some questionable personnel decision these past two games and I'm hopeful they will decide to not keep trying to use something that didn't work the first few times.. We will see and maybe the defense is trending upwards.. Too early to tell and when Mckinnely comes back hopefully he's a sure tackler and will understand the playbook good enough..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 8:40:04 GMT -5
That will be starting this week and unfortunately any of the options currently on the roster don't seem to be capable of filling the spot no matter how much they are getting paid. But hey this defense is the 4th ranked in the league so I don't see why anyone would be concerned!
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. Think Holmes has some promise in the slot hopefully they can find average at CB2 have to remember Ballentine is really playin in about his 9th or 10 th NFL game coming from a tiny school he will grow and get better they still have Yiadom and Lewis battling there to.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 8:41:50 GMT -5
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 25, 2020 8:46:49 GMT -5
You nailed it! The Giants went the route of trying to solidify the backfield while ignoring the pass rush and due to a couple of bad draft choices they have failed. Then they also decided to over draft and trade for "run stoppers" which is now not working out.. Bad times in Giants country.. I am an eternal optimist in the beginning of every (most) seasons. For me the DBs are still the weak spot but I feel the D overall has an arrow pointing up in all phases. I feel the coaching is there as well. Actually my least favorite D coach is Graham. I know he's a Yale guy in that regard should understand all aspects of defense but he does not inspire confidence at all when I hear his pressers. Maybe he over thinks with this 8 DB 3 DL schemes. IDK. The secondary has played well. It's the run defense that's killed us. When you consider what the secondary went through this offseason, I think Graham has done a good job so far. Fans were a lot more down on the defense than the offense coming into the season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 8:47:27 GMT -5
I watch a lot of football and IMO most teams dont have two all star outside CBs. There is so much successful passing in the league now. I guess I feel the Giants aren't much worse off than most. One really good CB and the rest are just ok. Hopefully they can get one or two of these guys to work out. What really needs to continue to improve is the pass rush. Its over the first two games. Not nearly good enough of course but at least it seems positive. Their run D is actually statically worse then the pass D. Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Giants have a really tough front there is not a lot of time unless Grahm takes the foot off the gas like he did with the Bears. They still had 4 sacks think the front 7 and DBs are working well together right now. The Defense to me has a solid foundation and will improve as they go. If this offensive line improves throughout the year and proves to be legit, that would be all I needed from this season those are 2 signs you are not only going in the right direction but that you are close.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 8:53:16 GMT -5
Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. I think teams like the Ravens /Rams/ maybe the Cowboys will be able to exploit some of their weaknesses those teams have a lot of weapons to match up with. this D seems much better and tougher but not finished yet. In the past the Steelers would have rolled over them and the Bears would have smoked them once that lead got to 17 zip IMHO.
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 9:14:44 GMT -5
Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him. The opponent have had 129 snaps total snaps against our Defense. 60 passing attempts for 39 completions 65% completion percentage and 5 passing TDS Bradberry has been targeted 14 times (23% of passing snaps) The opponents have throwing away from Bradberry 77% of the time
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 9:19:28 GMT -5
Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. That does not change the fact . They are still holding their own. The NFl avarage completion % is 67 percent . Agaist our Defense is 65%
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 9:33:27 GMT -5
Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. Maybe some of that passing defense is looking good is because teams can run on them pretty easily also.. The complete opposite of what I expected with this personnel..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 25, 2020 10:22:48 GMT -5
Our pass D is not bad . It is at least league avarage or better through week 2. I expected 10 times worse that what we are seeing. Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. Trubisky yes... Ben is still a legit QB.... But your comments ring true going forward for the Giants DBs
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 10:46:31 GMT -5
Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him. The opponent have had 129 snaps total snaps against our Defense. 60 passing attempts for 39 completions 65% completion percentage and 5 passing TDS Bradberry has been targeted 14 times (23% of passing snaps) The opponents have throwing away from Bradberry 77% of the time That is what smart teams do Bradberry honed his skills against the best in the game Julio Jones/ Micheal Thomas / Mike Evens. It won't be easy picking on his side.
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 10:53:33 GMT -5
The opponent have had 129 snaps total snaps against our Defense. 60 passing attempts for 39 completions 65% completion percentage and 5 passing TDS Bradberry has been targeted 14 times (23% of passing snaps) The opponents have throwing away from Bradberry 77% of the time That is what smart teams do Bradberry honed his skills against the best in the game Julio Jones/ Micheal Thomas / Mike Evens. It won't be easy picking on his side. I was just pointing out the 2 opponents we played were staying away from him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 11:02:29 GMT -5
That is what smart teams do Bradberry honed his skills against the best in the game Julio Jones/ Micheal Thomas / Mike Evens. It won't be easy picking on his side. I was just pointing out the 2 opponents we played were staying away from him. I think most will why bother especially teams with multiple weapons in he passing game.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 11:04:11 GMT -5
Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. That does not change the fact . They are still holding their own. The NFl avarage completion % is 67 percent . Agaist our Defense is 65% Are we discussing the same thing? Let’s forget stats for a bit, that’s a headache. If we’re basing off the first two weeks I get that. My point, which I thought you understood. Was, let’s see how they play against stiffer competition. Big Ben is 38 years old, which means he’s one foot in the NFL grave. And Trubisky, is garbage. I want to see how they hold up against the Russell Wilson’s and Lamar Jackson’s. I think it’s all smoke and mirrors with our pass defense. We all know it’s a glaring weakness, but they have been playing above and beyond the first two weeks. Let’s see, again.. How they do with a competent QB at the helm. Which, was always my point.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 11:13:16 GMT -5
Let’s see how our pass defense is when they aren’t playing a 38 year old QB and some borderline bust in Trubisky. Trubisky yes... Ben is still a legit QB.... But your comments ring true going forward for the Giants DBs Ben’s going to the HOF on roller skates. But, he’s also 38. A lot of his throws in week 1 looked like a player who was off a year and old.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -5
That does not change the fact . They are still holding their own. The NFl avarage completion % is 67 percent . Agaist our Defense is 65% Are we discussing the same thing? Let’s forget stats for a bit, that’s a headache. If we’re basing off the first two weeks I get that. My point, which I thought you understood. Was, let’s see how they play against stiffer competition. Big Ben is 38 years old, which means he’s one foot in the NFL grave. And Trubisky, is garbage. I want to see how they hold up against the Russell Wilson’s and Lamar Jackson’s. I think it’s all smoke and mirrors with our pass defense. We all know it’s a glaring weakness, but they have been playing above and beyond the first two weeks. Let’s see, again.. How they do with a competent QB at the helm. Which, was always my point. You will get to first hand lol. Hopefully keeping them from scoring 30 or above would be a start since in the last7 years more so then not teams with fire power and with out have blown there doors off.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 25, 2020 14:32:21 GMT -5
Trubisky yes... Ben is still a legit QB.... But your comments ring true going forward for the Giants DBs Ben’s going to the HOF on roller skates. But, he’s also 38. A lot of his throws in week 1 looked like a player who was off a year and old. Hate to say it for this team what they have done so far is a step in the right direction.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 17:43:55 GMT -5
Ben’s going to the HOF on roller skates. But, he’s also 38. A lot of his throws in week 1 looked like a player who was off a year and old. Hate to say it for this team what they have done so far is a step in the right direction. A step in the right direction is an improvement over the last few years where they have been tripping over their own two feet. You have to learn how to crawl before you can walk. Right now, we’re crawling..
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 19:50:35 GMT -5
That does not change the fact . They are still holding their own. The NFl avarage completion % is 67 percent . Agaist our Defense is 65% Are we discussing the same thing? Let’s forget stats for a bit, that’s a headache. If we’re basing off the first two weeks I get that. My point, which I thought you understood. Was, let’s see how they play against stiffer competition. Big Ben is 38 years old, which means he’s one foot in the NFL grave. And Trubisky, is garbage. I want to see how they hold up against the Russell Wilson’s and Lamar Jackson’s. I think it’s all smoke and mirrors with our pass defense. We all know it’s a glaring weakness, but they have been playing above and beyond the first two weeks. Let’s see, again.. How they do with a competent QB at the helm. Which, was always my point. . . It does not change the fact that the 2 opponents we faced this season threw more often than not away from Bradberry than at him . The rest of our secondary is playing at an NFL average. Didn't you insinuate that was not the case? So has is it, who we have not played is relevant to that? You can speculate all you want . On what future QB will do. You are entitled to your opinion.
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 19:52:45 GMT -5
I was just pointing out the 2 opponents we played were staying away from him. I think most will why bother especially teams with multiple weapons in he passing game. The rest of the secondary is playing at NFL average. The secondary point I was making.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 20:10:52 GMT -5
Are we discussing the same thing? Let’s forget stats for a bit, that’s a headache. If we’re basing off the first two weeks I get that. My point, which I thought you understood. Was, let’s see how they play against stiffer competition. Big Ben is 38 years old, which means he’s one foot in the NFL grave. And Trubisky, is garbage. I want to see how they hold up against the Russell Wilson’s and Lamar Jackson’s. I think it’s all smoke and mirrors with our pass defense. We all know it’s a glaring weakness, but they have been playing above and beyond the first two weeks. Let’s see, again.. How they do with a competent QB at the helm. Which, was always my point. . . It does not change the fact that the 2 opponents we faced this season threw more often than not away from Bradberry than at him . Didn't you insinuate that was not the case? So has is it, who we have not played is relevant to that? You can speculate all you want . On what future QB will do. You are entitled to your opinion. Explain how that (bolded) correlated to what you wrote below? "Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him"Never insinuated that at all. My point was as the season goes on opposing teams will attack the other end of the field more so. I mean, what offensive coordinator would not want to attack the weakest link of a defense? In two weeks Bradberry is everything we could ask of from a cornerback. Ballentine on the other hand has been everything we knew he would be. A late round pick who continues to struggle.
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2020 20:37:00 GMT -5
. It does not change the fact that the 2 opponents we faced this season threw more often than not away from Bradberry than at him . Didn't you insinuate that was not the case? So has is it, who we have not played is relevant to that? You can speculate all you want . On what future QB will do. You are entitled to your opinion. Explain how that (bolded) correlated to what you wrote below? "Ballentine is renting, and his lease is about to run up. As for Yiadom, I don’t trust him to give me directions to the nearest gas station. We need viable options at corner. Because, at some point opposing teams will learn to stay away from Bradberry and focus on whoever is playing opposite of him" Never insinuated that at all. My point was as the season goes on opposing teams will attack the other end of the field more so. I mean, what offensive coordinator would not want to attack the weakest link of a defense? In two weeks Bradberry is everything we could ask of from a cornerback. Ballentine on the other hand has been everything we knew he would be. A late round pick who continues to struggle. More than 77%? You make it look like we are getting torched not at Bradberry . We are not. At least not in either game I watched . Ben had a 65.6% .Trubisky had a 64.3% It has been refreshing the secondary does not look clueless. I expected much worse.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2020 21:43:17 GMT -5
Never insinuated that at all. My point was as the season goes on opposing teams will attack the other end of the field more so. I mean, what offensive coordinator would not want to attack the weakest link of a defense? In two weeks Bradberry is everything we could ask of from a cornerback. Ballentine on the other hand has been everything we knew he would be. A late round pick who continues to struggle. More than 77%? You make it look like we are getting torched not at Bradberry . We are not. At least not in either game I watched . Ben had a 65.6% .Trubisky had a 64.3% It has been refreshing the secondary does not look clueless. I expected much worse. Ballentine has been beat, numerous times. Never said the secondary is getting torched. Aren’t you now putting words in my mouth? Let’s have this discussion again once they play great quarterbacks.
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Post by TEM on Sept 26, 2020 7:08:12 GMT -5
More than 77%? You make it look like we are getting torched not at Bradberry . We are not. At least not in either game I watched . Ben had a 65.6% .Trubisky had a 64.3% It has been refreshing the secondary does not look clueless. I expected much worse. Ballentine has been beat, numerous times. Never said the secondary is getting torched. Aren’t you now putting words in my mouth? Let’s have this discussion again once they play great quarterbacks. Saying it appears and saying you said something that you didn't are 2 digffrent things. The truth is they are holding their own . You do not have to give credit. Then facts show they are. They are playing NFL QBs .
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