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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 6:04:58 GMT -5
This OL is an absolute abomination. Time to make some changes.
Hernandez sucks. Let’s see Lemieux in that spot instead.
Also, no purpose in playing a bad journeyman at RT in yet another lost season. Let’s see Peart.
Time for accountability
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 29, 2020 6:05:45 GMT -5
I agree, especially Peart for Fleming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 6:46:07 GMT -5
I was thinking putting the bad Pulley at center and moving Gates to RT. I like putting Hernandez on the bench and playing anyone else who is next up..
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Post by bavarobeast on Sept 29, 2020 7:42:43 GMT -5
Something has to change - I certainly can’t come up with a better suggestion than yours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 8:15:18 GMT -5
theyre gonna have to do something, we'll literally never win a game with how it is right now, we HAVE to get a running game going. if we do, we might actually be competitive for some of the these games.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 29, 2020 8:27:23 GMT -5
Flemings playing better, he wasn’t the problem Sunday. I’m not sure that right now changes are the best thing for a line that’s trying to gel, but something has to change on the interior if we continue to struggle running the ball.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 8:28:19 GMT -5
I was thinking putting the bad Pulley at center and moving Gates to RT. I like putting Hernandez on the bench and playing anyone else who is next up.. This is interesting … I should have mentioned Gates. Going into the season with a starting center who has never played the position at any level was a horrific decision. I would prefer Peart at RT though (if he is ready) since he is more likely to be a long term answer there than Gates. I would be more than ok with sitting Gates and putting in Pulley.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 29, 2020 8:30:31 GMT -5
Maybe Hernandez hasn't been using that $5000 bidet he so likes to talk about.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 29, 2020 8:31:41 GMT -5
I personally cant wait to see Gates attempt to block Aaron Donald on Sunday.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 29, 2020 8:36:40 GMT -5
I personally cant wait to see Gates attempt to block Aaron Donald on Sunday.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 29, 2020 8:37:01 GMT -5
I hate this as much as anybody but all thats gonna do is possibly restart a process every OL has to go through. In a regular off season they would of had OTAs and Minicamps plus 4 preseason games. for a vet group being put together with new starters and new system. That still isn't enough per Geoff schwartz in an article a few years ago. Not making excuses but it's the only way to know what we have for the future Hernandez had a above average rookie year and an average 2nd year he is learning a new tackle new center and a new system think the Giants would be fools to give up on him. If Columbo says he goes to the bench I'll by it.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 29, 2020 8:44:37 GMT -5
I was thinking putting the bad Pulley at center and moving Gates to RT. I like putting Hernandez on the bench and playing anyone else who is next up.. This is interesting … I should have mentioned Gates. Going into the season with a starting center who has never played the position at any level was a horrific decision.I would prefer Peart at RT though (if he is ready) since he is more likely to be a long term answer there than Gates. I would be more than ok with sitting Gates and putting in Pulley. And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 29, 2020 8:52:35 GMT -5
This is interesting … I should have mentioned Gates. Going into the season with a starting center who has never played the position at any level was a horrific decision.I would prefer Peart at RT though (if he is ready) since he is more likely to be a long term answer there than Gates. I would be more than ok with sitting Gates and putting in Pulley. And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 8:58:54 GMT -5
And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon. I have never heard of a Center starting in a regular season game having never played the position at any level in an actual game (not even a preseason game). If you are aware of this situation ever occurring in the history of the NFL, I'm all ears …
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 29, 2020 9:09:19 GMT -5
And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon. Is it common for an NFL team to have 2 no experience starting centers in 3 years?
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 29, 2020 9:17:51 GMT -5
I hate this as much as anybody but all thats gonna do is possibly restart a process every OL has to go through. In a regular off season they would of had OTAs and Minicamps plus 4 preseason games. for a vet group being put together with new starters and new system. That still isn't enough per Geoff schwartz in an article a few years ago. Not making excuses but it's the only way to know what we have for the future Hernandez had a above average rookie year and an average 2nd year he is learning a new tackle new center and a new system think the Giants would be fools to give up on him. If Columbo says he goes to the bench I'll by it. Hernandez, is slow footed , he is late in pulling. This was obvious , the last game. I be surprise, if he his contract is extended . I expect to see Lemieux take his place in the very near future. This will put two rookies on the left side. Or, Gates at LG and Pulley at center. Note: Giants sign Jevon Patterson ( center) to PS last week.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 9:18:03 GMT -5
This is interesting … I should have mentioned Gates. Going into the season with a starting center who has never played the position at any level was a horrific decision.I would prefer Peart at RT though (if he is ready) since he is more likely to be a long term answer there than Gates. I would be more than ok with sitting Gates and putting in Pulley. And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. Halapio at least played in preseason, though, right?
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 29, 2020 9:20:14 GMT -5
And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon. Most of the had seen reps at Center in college though, no?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 29, 2020 9:33:51 GMT -5
A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon. I have never heard of a Center starting in a regular season game having never played the position at any level in an actual game (not even a preseason game). If you are aware of this situation ever occurring in the history of the NFL, I'm all ears … Mitch Morse of the Bills, Trey Hopkins of the Bengals, Josh Andrews of the Jets, Joe Thuney of the Pats, Brandon Lindner of the Jags. Ted Karras of the Phins.,. All current starting Centers who played Tackle or Guard in college.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 29, 2020 9:34:11 GMT -5
And yet this is the second Giants HC in a row to do it. Shurmur did it with Halipio. Halapio at least played in preseason, though, right? Yes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 29, 2020 11:32:58 GMT -5
I hate this as much as anybody but all thats gonna do is possibly restart a process every OL has to go through. In a regular off season they would of had OTAs and Minicamps plus 4 preseason games. for a vet group being put together with new starters and new system. That still isn't enough per Geoff schwartz in an article a few years ago. Not making excuses but it's the only way to know what we have for the future Hernandez had a above average rookie year and an average 2nd year he is learning a new tackle new center and a new system think the Giants would be fools to give up on him. If Columbo says he goes to the bench I'll by it. Hernandez, is slow footed , he is late in pulling. This was obvious , the last game. I be surprise, if he his contract is extended . I expect to see Lemieux take his place in the very near future. This will put two rookies on the left side. Or, Gates at LG and Pulley at center. Note: Giants sign Jevon Patterson ( center) to PS last week. Hernandez isn't slow footed when he is comfortable he is at the second level quick, This is more of thinking and not playing I do think Lemieux is being groomed for Zietlers spot next year. expecting these guys to be on time and insinc is nuts with month of training camp and 3 games.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 29, 2020 11:35:47 GMT -5
A lot of starting Centers around the league played guard in college. It’s not that uncommon. I have never heard of a Center starting in a regular season game having never played the position at any level in an actual game (not even a preseason game). If you are aware of this situation ever occurring in the history of the NFL, I'm all ears … That is a tall order they are committed to it so it seems.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 29, 2020 11:36:26 GMT -5
I'd be willing to give hernendez a few more weeks to gel with Thomas and Gates.. I'm totally onboard with Peart at this point, I can't imagine it being much worse with flemming. Either way, I've never seen a worse a worse group at run blocking and thats saying something with some of the gems at oline we've had in recent years. Agreed, something needs to change and fast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 11:43:53 GMT -5
I personally cant wait to see Gates attempt to block Aaron Donald on Sunday. Ha ha. You mean try to block
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Post by Speedman on Sept 29, 2020 11:44:37 GMT -5
Hernandez, is slow footed , he is late in pulling. This was obvious , the last game. I be surprise, if he his contract is extended . I expect to see Lemieux take his place in the very near future. This will put two rookies on the left side. Or, Gates at LG and Pulley at center. Note: Giants sign Jevon Patterson ( center) to PS last week. Hernandez isn't slow footed when he is comfortable he is at the second level quick, This is more of thinking and not playing I do think Lemieux is being groomed for Zietlers spot next year. expecting these guys to be on time and insinc is nuts with month of training camp and 3 games. Gates looked the best last year when he filed in at guard. Let him fill in for Hernandez, put Pulley at center and Peary at RT. Edit: Peart
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 29, 2020 12:28:59 GMT -5
Hernandez isn't slow footed when he is comfortable he is at the second level quick, This is more of thinking and not playing I do think Lemieux is being groomed for Zietlers spot next year. expecting these guys to be on time and insinc is nuts with month of training camp and 3 games. Gates looked the best last year when he filed in at guard. Let him fill in for Hernandez, put Pulley at center and Peary at RT. Edit: Peart As I said before the problem is not the Talent I think it is more to do with knowing what they guy next to you is gonna do in almost every situation, moving these guys in and out or around is only going to set the process back more games IMHO. If the coaches think the individual talent is there then they should stay the course and let them build the chemistry and learn the new system together. We are 3 games in with 0 preseason no offseason except a short training camp, this isn't the time for changes there is a time it would be the halfway point or shortly after if there is 0 improvement. At the point the guys going will have been practicing in the system and it will give them time to figure out if they are the answer.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 13:10:14 GMT -5
I have never heard of a Center starting in a regular season game having never played the position at any level in an actual game (not even a preseason game). If you are aware of this situation ever occurring in the history of the NFL, I'm all ears … Mitch Morse of the Bills, Trey Hopkins of the Bengals, Josh Andrews of the Jets, Joe Thuney of the Pats, Brandon Lindner of the Jags. Ted Karras of the Phins.,. All current starting Centers who played Tackle or Guard in college. And never took a snap in a real game until their first start in a regular season game?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 29, 2020 14:03:06 GMT -5
Mitch Morse of the Bills, Trey Hopkins of the Bengals, Josh Andrews of the Jets, Joe Thuney of the Pats, Brandon Lindner of the Jags. Ted Karras of the Phins.,. All current starting Centers who played Tackle or Guard in college. And never took a snap in a real game until their first start in a regular season game? I don't know how else they would have done it.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 29, 2020 14:13:37 GMT -5
And never took a snap in a real game until their first start in a regular season game? I don't know how else they would have done it. Took some snaps in HS, college or in preseason … Gates never took a snap at Center in an actual game at any level before his first regular season NFL game playing the position. This seems highly irregular to me.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 29, 2020 14:46:07 GMT -5
I think the staff knew they wold be rotating players at CB, OL, and LB to see who the best fits are.
This was all part of JJ's insistence on competing in practice everyday.
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