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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 10:01:20 GMT -5
I said last week our special teams and defense are good enough to win with we need the OL and to solidify so the QB can do his thing. Even with the OL improving the offense is still under manned at the skill spots this draft that is next order of business. Imagine if we had Legit offensive weapons. This has to be addressed hard this offseason Exactly This is whats happening Teamw are playing us basic because we don't scare anyone other than Slayton A simple zone with the occasional run blitz 8s doing us If the team starts to run it efficiently enough to control the game with no weapons the defense will creep the zone more shallow and tbe exotic run blitzs start again.. The inconvenient truth for some is that outside weapons help tbe running game and ball control these days and not tbe other way around .. Facts Every good running team has more weapons outside than just us with Slayton.. Even with our line improving it won't change this...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 11, 2020 10:29:25 GMT -5
I said last week our special teams and defense are good enough to win with we need the OL and to solidify so the QB can do his thing. Even with the OL improving the offense is still under manned at the skill spots this draft that is next order of business. Imagine if we had Legit offensive weapons. This has to be addressed hard this offseason Yup When they had Barkely on the field he made is a big issue for defenses they had to worry about him in the run and the pass, last year he caught couple deep posts for TDs he is a threat to hurt you in a lot of ways. His absence hurts this offense a ton, Even with him they needed more in the passing game the first 4 games they faced 4 of the best pass defenses from last year. they need more to compete with these top Ds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 10:42:02 GMT -5
Or maybe Patrick Graham is getting the most out of guys Pretty sure DG had something to do with that. Haha. You love DG. I am going on a limb and saying Judge picked his coordinators
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure DG had something to do with that. Haha. You love DG. I am going on a limb and saying Judge picked his coordinators Now now.....DG did have to give his opinion on it. Or rather, Mara's opinion on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 10:47:32 GMT -5
Imagine if we had Legit offensive weapons. This has to be addressed hard this offseason Exactly This is whats happening Teamw are playing us basic because we don't scare anyone other than Slayton A simple zone with the occasional run blitz 8s doing us If the team starts to run it efficiently enough to control the game with no weapons the defense will creep the zone more shallow and tbe exotic run blitzs start again.. The inconvenient truth for some is that outside weapons help tbe running game and ball control these days and not tbe other way around .. Facts Every good running team has more weapons outside than just us with Slayton.. Even with our line improving it won't change this... We need Devonta Freeman to step up today. He should have learned the system a little better by now and Dallas’s Defense is Trash
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Post by TEM on Oct 11, 2020 10:58:23 GMT -5
They were getting separation last season with an equally bad o-line. What changed . I have convoyed numerous times on what I think is causing the problems. There is no way the recievers we had last year can no longer get open. Even when the ball is caught . They are getting tackled immediately The only thing it can be is poor ball placement. Getting faster recievers will not fix that if the throw is in a way that makes the receiver adjust his speed slower to catch the ball. This is what I have been seeing all season with his ball placement. Just one example of what he has been doing all season. If you look at 3:14 - 3:21 CJ Board is basically wide open with daylight. If the ball is placed correctly . It is to the house. But it was thrown in a way that took Board off his stride . The fact is Board had to plant both his feat to slow down to catch the ball making the defender close the gap. The next series his ball placement on a crossing is thrown properly to Engram . (Out in front of him) He keeps his seperation and gets Yards after the catch. 3:34 - 3:43. The Pass to Board is more of the types pf passes he has been delivering this season. It is not the recievers. It is the QB . He did not have this problem last season. This is last year . His ball placement was crisp . a prime example on how his throws were out in front of the receiver . On this pass to Tate. 7:45 - 7:49 again 9:34 -9:57 and again 12;20 -12:38, 12:42-12:47. He is not making those throws this year. The timing is off he is late with the ball as I said I think that is being in a new offense and not enough on field work with the recievers that are catching balls for him. he is behind on throws because of the timing. One big element no matter how much people talk crap about Barkely is he has to be respected and accounted for at all times in the run and pass. That opens things up for the passing game no matter if he runs for 10 yards in a game or 200 yards. I could agree with the timing thing if he had the issue last season. He came out smoking when he took over. I think the HC has destroyed his confidence with over pushing ball protection.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 11, 2020 12:01:27 GMT -5
Jones needs to "just play". The kid has a dug a deep hole with turnovers and that of course is effecting how he plays and approaches the game. Last season it didnt matter to him in the regard that he was a rookie so he just played. Exactly I think he was seeing it better last year and playing more free think he needs to get himself comfortable in this offense Shurmur is good with Young QBs and I think that showed at least there was production. also as a rookie if you are throwing TDs, making passes, running, running for a couple of TDs the turnovers are ok so to speak. As a second year player its like ok...now keep doing all that same stuff and dont give it away. Much less tolerance the second year. As it should be. If he can get it together he''ll be better for it having to deal with the struggle .
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 11, 2020 12:14:29 GMT -5
PA is the only stat that matters to me, not total yds allowed. They are 13th in PA, which in itself is not that bad, a top 15 D usually can be in the playoffs granted they have a decent O, which we don't.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2020 12:20:20 GMT -5
PA is the only stat that matters to me, not total yds allowed. They are 13th in PA, which in itself is not that bad, a top 15 D usually can be in the playoffs granted they have a decent O, which we don't. The D has been solid enough as a whole...3rd down is killing them at times, but doing OK on scoring.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 12:22:33 GMT -5
PA is the only stat that matters to me, not total yds allowed. They are 13th in PA, which in itself is not that bad, a top 15 D usually can be in the playoffs granted they have a decent O, which we don't. For such a young defense witb no offseason or preseason games to tinker,experiment with and basically giving players try outs during games i would say its actually borderline excellent.. Huge test today.. Playmakers all over the place but their O line is ripped up with injuries We could make them look like us early in 2013 today
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 11, 2020 12:23:15 GMT -5
PA is the only stat that matters to me, not total yds allowed. They are 13th in PA, which in itself is not that bad, a top 15 D usually can be in the playoffs granted they have a decent O, which we don't. The D has been solid enough as a whole...3rd down is killing them at times, but doing OK on scoring. Aren't a few of those PA due to some pick 6's that DJ has thrown? That makes no sense to attribute a pick 6 by the O as pts that the D has given up. So if the only pts Dallas gets against us are due to 3 DJ pick 6's, the D gets credited with giving up 21pts? That's BS.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2020 12:39:09 GMT -5
The D has been solid enough as a whole...3rd down is killing them at times, but doing OK on scoring. Aren't a few of those PA due to some pick 6's that DJ has thrown? That makes no sense to attribute a pick 6 by the O as pts that the D has given up. So if the only pts Dallas gets against us are due to 3 DJ pick 6's, the D gets credited with giving up 21pts? That's BS. Great question...no idea
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 13:38:22 GMT -5
The D has been solid enough as a whole...3rd down is killing them at times, but doing OK on scoring. Aren't a few of those PA due to some pick 6's that DJ has thrown? That makes no sense to attribute a pick 6 by the O as pts that the D has given up. So if the only pts Dallas gets against us are due to 3 DJ pick 6's, the D gets credited with giving up 21pts? That's BS. We haven't given up.any defensive TDs this year yet Last year we had a bunch of fumbles go back house
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 11, 2020 13:48:06 GMT -5
I think its apparent its what TEM said earlier confidence. This QB and offense lack confidence. Now what is also glaring is that last week we had a spurt at the end of the game at moving the football. Why was that? It was because DJ used his legs to move that offense. Thats what makes him comfortable, it wakes up our offense and scares the defense. So roll with it. Lets roll out DJ and give him some options, mix in some leak out passes to Dion and Freeman, DJ take some 5 and 7 yard runs, mix in some passes when the DBs react to a DJ roll out run. Just keep moving the football and good things will happen. Build confidence.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 11, 2020 17:45:33 GMT -5
Are they done warming up yet? I haven't seen them tackle Elliot yet.
This team has no talent, courtesy of Dave Gettleman.
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Post by drew on Oct 11, 2020 18:50:55 GMT -5
Lol at people overrating this defense that has lost games to 3 backup QBs, 2 of who were benched the following week after their wins over the Giants.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 11, 2020 18:54:42 GMT -5
Lol at people overrating this defense that has lost games to 3 backup QBs, 2 of who were benched the following week after their wins over the Giants. Exactly. Powderpuff ass D
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Post by Miked1958 on Oct 11, 2020 19:16:16 GMT -5
Big surprise for me. I thought they would have been a disaster by now, especially their secondary. Big difference in Martinez and Bradberry on the defense. Martinez I think is our MVP so far. It’s no coincidence our defense has been night and day since last year with him aboard. In the first time in like forever we have a Mike linebacker who is ranked with the best of them in the league. He makes the calls, is a terror in the run game, and has played the pass well. He had been worth his contract and then some. And our defensive line is playing well. They might not be putting up eye popping stats. But as a collective unit they have played very well. Today’s game will be a true test, let’s see how they take on the challenge. they warmed up pretty good on last drive of 1st half with 53 seconds remaining. So warm in fact dallas only needed 37 of those seconds to get an easy TD Then at end of game same ole script. 52 seconds and backup Andy Dalton takes them down for winning FG with no time left Yep they are warming up. Oh and i forgot to mention the injury bug took out run stopper Carter. Achilles injury. Probably gone for year
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Post by McCherry on Oct 11, 2020 19:29:03 GMT -5
Too much time on the field in the second half. The Giants can't control the clock for shit.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:30:28 GMT -5
Too much time on the field in the second half. The Giants can't control the clock for shit. Losing Carter didn't help either He was really good against the run
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Post by McCherry on Oct 11, 2020 19:32:24 GMT -5
Too much time on the field in the second half. The Giants can't control the clock for shit. Losing Carter didn't help either He was really good against the run We're in trouble if he's out for the season, which I expect he is. Markus Golden was alright but Carter is a better player.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 11, 2020 19:33:57 GMT -5
Losing Carter didn't help either He was really good against the run We're in trouble if he's out for the season, which I expect he is. Markus Golden was alright but Carter is a better player. If our defense lives and dies by Carter, then they weren't very good to begin with. No is game planning for him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:34:13 GMT -5
Losing Carter didn't help either He was really good against the run We're in trouble if he's out for the season, which I expect he is. Markus Golden was alright but Carter is a better player. Saw somewhere its an Achilles
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Post by McCherry on Oct 11, 2020 19:36:26 GMT -5
We're in trouble if he's out for the season, which I expect he is. Markus Golden was alright but Carter is a better player. Saw somewhere its an Achilles Normally, a full year rehab.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:39:45 GMT -5
Saw somewhere its an Achilles Normally, a full year rehab. That's pretty much it for him as a Giant .... This is year 3. Like I said at least we are in tbe cat birds seat to grab a top pass rusher (not named Clwoney)in FA next year
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Post by McCherry on Oct 11, 2020 19:40:52 GMT -5
Normally, a full year rehab. That's pretty much it for him as a Giant .... This is year 3. Like I said at least we are in tbe cat birds seat to grab a top pass rusher (not named Clwoney)in FA next year I hope not in FA. That's never worked.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:43:20 GMT -5
That's pretty much it for him as a Giant .... This is year 3. Like I said at least we are in tbe cat birds seat to grab a top pass rusher (not named Clwoney)in FA next year I hope not in FA. That's never worked. Ehh..it does when you have a foundation and you need a key piece... I'm not a fan of this myself... Let's see where we are at week 17 with development Corner 2 lost us the game at the end unfortunately
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 11, 2020 19:46:04 GMT -5
I hope not in FA. That's never worked. Ehh..it does when you have a foundation and you need a key piece... I'm not a fan of this myself... Let's see where we are at week 17 with development Corner 2 lost us the game at the end unfortunately Wrong, Jones and the offensive line lost us the game at the end.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2020 19:57:28 GMT -5
Ehh..it does when you have a foundation and you need a key piece... I'm not a fan of this myself... Let's see where we are at week 17 with development Corner 2 lost us the game at the end unfortunately Wrong, Jones and the offensive line lost us the game at the end. Who gave up the last 2 completions?
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 11, 2020 20:01:03 GMT -5
Wrong, Jones and the offensive line lost us the game at the end. Who gave up the last 2 completions? They should have never been in that positions. Your offense needs to go win the game in that position. Once they couldn't move the ball or force the cowboys to take a timeout, the defense was at a massive disadvantage.
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