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Post by ncgiantsfan on Oct 12, 2020 6:51:30 GMT -5
Can't afford to bench Jones, he's our shot at Lawrence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 6:59:32 GMT -5
Can't afford to bench Jones, he's our shot at Lawrence. Good one!!
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Post by southerner on Oct 12, 2020 7:24:09 GMT -5
Can't afford to bench Jones, he's our shot at Lawrence. So true, Jones will lead us to the promised land....the No. 1 draft slot.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 12, 2020 8:33:56 GMT -5
benching him wont do anything IMO.
His only real huge issue is turning the ball over. Thought he be able t get it under control but I have little confidence he;ll be able to.
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Post by ratbastich on Oct 12, 2020 8:54:34 GMT -5
benching him wont do anything IMO. His only real huge issue is turning the ball over. Thought he be able t get it under control but I have little confidence he;ll be able to. That has been the most consistent thing so far, Jones can't hold on to the ball.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 12, 2020 9:01:12 GMT -5
the question of moving on from Jones should be addressed after this season and a long look back at what went on and who is at fault, personally I like the kid but its beginning to look like what you see is what you got. Depending on how this season finishes I would be happy to stay the course with Jones if he looks like he can develop into a winning QB, but if this season ends in the tank and we are in a position to draft Trevor Lawrence we should do it...
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Post by GameTime on Oct 12, 2020 9:12:41 GMT -5
benching him wont do anything IMO. His only real huge issue is turning the ball over. Thought he be able t get it under control but I have little confidence he;ll be able to. That has been the most consistent thing so far, Jones can't hold on to the ball. Thats the main issue as we all know. The rest of his game is good and will get better but the T/Os are killer and will ruin his career
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Post by ebick on Oct 12, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
What I see is a guy who was rushed into the starting role and could have benefitted greatly from a couple of years as backup.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 12, 2020 10:33:20 GMT -5
DJ is a human jugs machine
He’s not good enough to overcome his mistakes
Career backup
Bring me Trevor lawrence
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Post by yoho on Oct 12, 2020 11:11:00 GMT -5
You don’t? ZERO touchdowns and handed them 6 points I mean it’s bad, but if Thomas has even touched Lawrence it probably would have helped. The run blocking is improved, the pass blocking is atrocious. So Lawrence took a very outside loop around Thomas. Isn't it part DJ's responsibility to be aware that the DE is going that deep, and step up in the pocket?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
One was a Fake Filed Goal with a wide open Receiver. Can’t really give that to Jones. I could have made that throw. To be fair, you can't even spell. What???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 12:01:41 GMT -5
To be fair, you can't even spell. Do yourself a favor and put him on ignore How he is not suspended for gloating over Dak's injury in the game thread shows the mods are asleep (quick..post pics of nekkid women in the game thread) You’re just still mad because at the beginning of the season I blew you up. You were ranting how Great Ballentine was and How signing Logan Ryan was a band aid signing. You were wrong on Both Ummmm it was a Fake FG so what I said was True Also it’s called Freedom of Speech. I can say whatever I want.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 12, 2020 12:25:00 GMT -5
To be fair, you can't even spell. What??? Ok, you got that word right.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 12, 2020 14:01:07 GMT -5
Just rewatched the game from start to finish....anyone who thinks YESTERDAY’S game was on him needs their head examined. I came out of it thinking maybe the same thing but decided to rewatch play-by-play. He made two poor reads and 3 bad throws all game. Yesterday was 100% on the o-line and playcalling.
Jones was under duress on a majority of throws. Just about every 3rd down the Cowboys brought a blitz knowing the WR’s wouldn’t get separation by the time the o-line broke down....the ones they converted were due to Jone’s escapability.
Why they’re not using more true RPO to use his mobility which is one of his biggest assets I truly can’t understand. The fumble had nothing to do with him being loose with the ball. It was essentially a free blindside rush no QB would have a chance on. Worst part is had Thomas blocked it Gallman’s guy (delayed blitzer) woulda crushed him too.
Came out Post-game thinking the same thing as many....Jones wasn’t good but re-watching I was proven wrong. Most reads were right. Most throws under pressure were actually impressive. The playcalling and o-line play on 3rd was atrocious. Prior to making blanket statements for this game I’d say rewatch the tape. I welcome disputing opinions.
***THESE COMMENTS ARE SPECIFIC TO YESTERDAY’S GAME*** (Not giving him a pass for the other four)
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 12, 2020 15:22:01 GMT -5
He should get a mulligan. This year and offense is not his fault.
Year 3 is the real year to evaluate him.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 12, 2020 15:24:58 GMT -5
He should get a mulligan. This year and offense is nit his fault. Year 3 is the real year to evaluate him. I think two seasons is way to early to give up on him, i'm just pretty certain if in position to get lawrence or possibly fields a new GM may bite the bullet, but that is of course only if they hire someone from outside the org.. which they won't. So, it's likely Jones will get year three. Although, if in position Lawrence is going to be tempting for anyone making that pick.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 12, 2020 15:28:04 GMT -5
He should get a mulligan. This year and offense is nit his fault. Year 3 is the real year to evaluate him. I think two seasons is way to early to give up on him, i'm just pretty certain if in position to get lawrence or possibly fields a new GM may bite the bullet, but that is of course only if they hire someone from outside the org.. which they won't. So, it's likely Jones will get year three. Although, if in position Lawrence is going to be tempting for anyone making that pick. Fans are going to be flipping out when we dont take lawrence is my feeling. But we shall see.
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Post by Nite on Oct 12, 2020 15:38:46 GMT -5
Nope you need to ride him out no matter how bad it gets. There's a chance he'll start improving, but if that doesn't happen it makes it a lot easier to figure out a game plan going into the offseason for whoever has to make some tough choices. Sooo what happens if he lays an egg (a TD egg) for the next 2, 3 games? Same turnover problems, what do you do then?
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Post by mj312 on Oct 12, 2020 15:41:18 GMT -5
I hated taking jones that high in the draft and still do but he’s just a symptom of the problem .. the giants organization does everything backwards and half assed.. they fire coaches and keep the GMs that gave the coaches the players , they think corners will fix their crappy defense when there’s no pass rush, and they draft a new QB to learn from the old QB and then bench the old QB.. when guys lose all the time they just become good at finding ways to lose . Daniel jones will be ruined after a few years with this organization. They ruined the last 5 years of Eli , now they are already damaging saquon and jones . Even if we take Lawrence , it will be the same old crap ..
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 12, 2020 15:52:09 GMT -5
Check out DJ's post game presser. He is under EXTREME cognitive overload and feeling enormous stress as evidenced by his constant repetive hand-to-face contact. His statements that no one on the team is discouraged and they all feel capable of winning are not believable as increased hand-to-face contact is a good indicator of deception. But he's starting to sound and look whipped so can you blame him?
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 12, 2020 15:59:23 GMT -5
Interesting that tonight during the game I think it was Jim Nantz who brought it up. Said that reporters have already started to question wether Jones would be Benched. This is after week 4. Now another disappointing game and another loss. You know how the NY/NJ media is. I bet that question comes up again. I don’t know what the answer is. Do you ride out the season with awful performance after awful performance or see what Colt McCoy has. Do you wait until we are possibly 0-10, 0-15? Then make the switch? Jones hasn’t scored a touchdown since Week 1. 2 Touchdowns in 5 games with a Quarter Back Rating of 68.3 On the Flip side he has the most Turnovers on the NFL
The sideline reporter brought it up by asking Judge if he would consider a QB change after the half.
I thought it was a most asinine question and one only a ****in moron would ask it.
Just an FYI on this as quite a few members "liked" it.
I questioned the sideline reporter on Twitter last night and she denied asking Judge this question. I asked her to clarify and she has not as of yet. I will re-watch the clip and post it to confirm.
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 12, 2020 16:00:56 GMT -5
I think two seasons is way to early to give up on him, i'm just pretty certain if in position to get lawrence or possibly fields a new GM may bite the bullet, but that is of course only if they hire someone from outside the org.. which they won't. So, it's likely Jones will get year three. Although, if in position Lawrence is going to be tempting for anyone making that pick. Fans are going to be flipping out when we dont take lawrence is my feeling. But we shall see. That pick could--by a competent GM--be parlayed into multiple stud draft picks. In the right hands could right the ship WITH DJ at QB. I am shocked actually at the number of people ready to throw DJ on the scrap heap. There are many cases of young QBs looking less than capable and even shell shocked that go on to win big.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 12, 2020 16:02:02 GMT -5
I think two seasons is way to early to give up on him, i'm just pretty certain if in position to get lawrence or possibly fields a new GM may bite the bullet, but that is of course only if they hire someone from outside the org.. which they won't. So, it's likely Jones will get year three. Although, if in position Lawrence is going to be tempting for anyone making that pick. Fans are going to be flipping out when we dont take lawrence is my feeling. But we shall see.
I fully expect we won't. Instead we'll take a no-name guy in 2022.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 12, 2020 16:02:30 GMT -5
Nope you need to ride him out no matter how bad it gets. There's a chance he'll start improving, but if that doesn't happen it makes it a lot easier to figure out a game plan going into the offseason for whoever has to make some tough choices. Sooo what happens if he lays an egg (a TD egg) for the next 2, 3 games? Same turnover problems, what do you do then? Let him play out the year obviously. This kid was drafted as the 6th overall pick you ride or die with him at this point. Either he and the team improve or they don't. You simply don't put Colt McCoy in he's not the future and never will be. Jones may or may not be.. He needs to be analyzed all that he can. If nothing changes and we're picking top 3 there is plenty of tape on the kid that the new GM will be looking at to make his verdict. Jones for better or for worse plays the entire season. They arne't playing for anything other than improvement and evaluation.. this season is lost already.
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 12, 2020 16:05:06 GMT -5
He should get a mulligan. This year and offense is not his fault. Year 3 is the real year to evaluate him. Is he responsible for all the offense's problems? No, of course not. Is he a factor in making things worse? Yes, definitely. This is the problem for Daniel Jones defenders they think the issue is black and white. Anyways, that's besides the point *IF* the Giants are in position to take Trevor Lawrence, in order to pass on him you'd have to justify that Daniel Jones ceiling is much higher than Trevor Lawrence's. An, I have yet heard anyone make that argument, anyone who's trying to justify us passing on Trevor Lawrence is just blaming the personnel or that you should give a QB 3 years before making a final evaluation.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 12, 2020 16:09:46 GMT -5
Just rewatched the game from start to finish....anyone who thinks YESTERDAY’S game was on him needs their head examined. I came out of it thinking maybe the same thing but decided to rewatch play-by-play. He made two poor reads and 3 bad throws all game. Yesterday was 100% on the o-line and playcalling. Jones was under duress on a majority of throws. Just about every 3rd down the Cowboys brought a blitz knowing the WR’s wouldn’t get separation by the time the o-line broke down....the ones they converted were due to Jone’s escapability. Why they’re not using more true RPO to use his mobility which is one of his biggest assets I truly can’t understand. The fumble had nothing to do with him being loose with the ball. It was essentially a free blindside rush no QB would have a chance on. Worst part is had Thomas blocked it Gallman’s guy (delayed blitzer) woulda crushed him too. Came out Post-game thinking the same thing as many....Jones wasn’t good but re-watching I was proven wrong. Most reads were right. Most throws under pressure were actually impressive. The playcalling and o-line play on 3rd was atrocious. Prior to making blanket statements for this game I’d say rewatch the tape. I welcome disputing opinions. ***THESE COMMENTS ARE SPECIFIC TO YESTERDAY’S GAME*** (Not giving him a pass for the other four) Exactly..but I spotted all that while watching yesterday. He had a really good game. People are so blind. He made some great throws escaping pressure. I love Eli, but if that was old Eli those plays don't happen
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 12, 2020 16:10:57 GMT -5
Interesting that tonight during the game I think it was Jim Nantz who brought it up. Said that reporters have already started to question wether Jones would be Benched. This is after week 4. Now another disappointing game and another loss. You know how the NY/NJ media is. I bet that question comes up again. I don’t know what the answer is. Do you ride out the season with awful performance after awful performance or see what Colt McCoy has. Do you wait until we are possibly 0-10, 0-15? Then make the switch? Jones hasn’t scored a touchdown since Week 1. 2 Touchdowns in 5 games with a Quarter Back Rating of 68.3 On the Flip side he has the most Turnovers on the NFL In my opinion, it's still a bit premature to be talking about a QB change. Now if this team is 0-10, then you owe it to the other players on the team to at least begin having the conversation. Having a possible winless season will have catastrophic effect on this locker-room and if you make the decision that Colt McCoy can go an win you 1-2 games that Daniel Jones can't then you pull the switch and make the change. If not, then you keep Daniel Jones in for the whole season.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 12, 2020 16:37:53 GMT -5
I believe in giving a rookie QB a full 3 yrs as the starter to fully evaluate if he's the real deal or not. Pulling the plug after only 25-35 games is not the right answer. Don't be the Jets, who are already entertaining trading Darnold at the deadline. That must be doing wonders for his confidence level right now.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 12, 2020 16:49:56 GMT -5
I think 90% of the fan base knew they would Nothing when they gott the ball at the end. I hate his damn turnovers. But it seems like a damn jail break every time he drops back. Bad teams find ways to lose. They get their most offense and the D is horrific. The anatomy of a loser. I hardly fault DJ for this one. He didn't have a bad game. Need to watch the coaches film, but it seemed to me he was pressured 70%+ of passing snaps. I know it was 10 hits at least. Thomas might as well have been given a cape to deal with the bullrush he got. And we'll see that exact same game plan from every defense until they figure out how to protect against it. I get the negatives about DJ. I don't get comparing him to young QBs on teams with reasonable protection.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2020 16:54:19 GMT -5
I believe in giving a rookie QB a full 3 yrs as the starter to fully evaluate if he's the real deal or not. Pulling the plug after only 25-35 games is not the right answer. Don't be the Jets, who are already entertaining trading Darnold at the deadline. That must be doing wonders for his confidence level right now. The Jets keep reminding us that it could be worse... I mean they legit already think they have the inside track at Lawrence (let this sink in If we end up tied with the Jets we lose because our strength of schedule is brutal.. So ...ready for this ..we could conceivably be the first 0 fer team to not have the 1st overall pick because of our strength in schedule if both NY teams go Ofer) Unless by some miracle another outside guy even becomes functional it's really going to be tough evaluating Jones this year
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