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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 8:26:16 GMT -5
If they could maybe they would? Replace him with whom? Peart is learning and seems to be doing well. He has had the advantage of not being thrown into the fire due to his draft position and NFL "readiness". If he was ready to go he would have been in at RT weeks ago. Perhaps if he was in from day one he'd be having a hard time too. Either way Thomas is not done yet. The kid needs to step up for sure and hopefully he will. Thomas has been bad enough to have these discussions of setting him. It's a sad reality at this time and I've never claimed he was done. Like you I hope his learning curve is steep and it won't take those 3 years many of these fans out here demand be allowed for all players.. Thomas has made 2019 Solder look like an all pro. He needs to earn his way back at LT or everything Judge has said is just Coach Speak. Judge will loose this team if they think he is starting a lesser player due to draft position.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 19, 2020 8:31:36 GMT -5
bottom is I dont care enough to go back and look. I just like to point it out. Many liked Wills over Thomas and Becton too. I was disappointed that they didn't draft Wills but I mentioned that I understood why they took Thomas since he played LT all through college. You know what, it doesn't mean anything. I haven't pounded my chest about being right on an internet message board because it doesn't help the Giants or make me feel better about this disaster of a season. I would be the first to tell you that none of us (myself included) are qualified to be a NFL GM. Up to this point I might have been right about Wills but I would have messed some other move up. We are all sailing on the same crappy leaky boat with a stalled engine. I want to be wrong 100% of the time if it means that the Giants win. Also, I haven't given up on Thomas at all, way to early to judge the kid but you keep putting him out there and reducing the Giants already small chance of winning against any team. This kid needs to earn his way back to LT. Try him at RT but if he can't beat out Peart, Peart should be starting at LT... well said.... I dont think he needs to earn anything back from Peart. They were both in and out of the game yesterday not sure who had more snaps. But Thomas has over 90% and Peart like 12%. Maybe if Peart was in for over 90% he'd not be looking so good either. IDK.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 8:32:56 GMT -5
We have a long week between games after Thursday Would not be surprised if week 8 is the beginning of a very long term situation where Thomas and Peart are our permanent starters... I think Peart has earned his chance to start,and Thomas still has high level starter upside Figure out which side each player plays best this year and 2021 set them for 10 years You think Peart should start at LT? Do you think Thomas should start over Fleming if Fleming has been better? From a long term strategy perspective, that would make sense but do you think that would hurt the moral of the team if they believe they are just putting him in their due to his draft position?
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 8:40:05 GMT -5
I was disappointed that they didn't draft Wills but I mentioned that I understood why they took Thomas since he played LT all through college. You know what, it doesn't mean anything. I haven't pounded my chest about being right on an internet message board because it doesn't help the Giants or make me feel better about this disaster of a season. I would be the first to tell you that none of us (myself included) are qualified to be a NFL GM. Up to this point I might have been right about Wills but I would have messed some other move up. We are all sailing on the same crappy leaky boat with a stalled engine. I want to be wrong 100% of the time if it means that the Giants win. Also, I haven't given up on Thomas at all, way to early to judge the kid but you keep putting him out there and reducing the Giants already small chance of winning against any team. This kid needs to earn his way back to LT. Try him at RT but if he can't beat out Peart, Peart should be starting at LT... well said.... I dont think he needs to earn anything back from Peart. They were both in and out of the game yesterday not sure who had more snaps. But Thomas has over 90% and Peart like 12%. Maybe if Peart was in for over 90% he'd not be looking so good either. IDK. Good point, I should have said maybe those percentages should be adjusted to get a better feeling if he would be the more capable LT. I have no idea if Peart is capable but I do believe that he should be given more chances if he continues to perform at LT.
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Post by Easy E on Oct 19, 2020 9:00:05 GMT -5
Take it for what it is worth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 9:02:07 GMT -5
Thomas has been bad enough to have these discussions of setting him. It's a sad reality at this time and I've never claimed he was done. Like you I hope his learning curve is steep and it won't take those 3 years many of these fans out here demand be allowed for all players.. Thomas has made 2019 Solder look like an all pro. He needs to earn his way back at LT or everything Judge has said is just Coach Speak. Judge will loose this team if they think he is starting a lesser player due to draft position. This isn't the 1st time Peart has come in to relieve a Tackle and out played him according to the fans out here. So why would this time be any different and judge makes the move to start him at LT?
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Post by hadenough on Oct 19, 2020 9:04:31 GMT -5
Take it for what it is worth. Peart is pretty solid. He can move and lock onto his defender. Which bodes well for LT. Peart is better in space than Thomas. Thomas is better at leaning on guys. Next season...I could see the oline as... Peart LT, Hernandez LG, Gates C, Thomas RG, RT ??
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 19, 2020 9:04:36 GMT -5
He played well. And it’s very telling how he has showed more in limited snaps than our 4th overall pick. Does suck the Thomas has been the worse of the bunch and it would be crazy if Peart ends up being the LT for the next decade but at least they would've accomplished the goal this draft.. If,Peart establishes himself as the starting LT. He will be rewarded financially. Thomas, will be the opposite financially. More important, this puts a Question on our Scouting Department . Yes, they hit on Peart but less pressure and expectations, as a late third round pick.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2020 9:08:13 GMT -5
We have a long week between games after Thursday Would not be surprised if week 8 is the beginning of a very long term situation where Thomas and Peart are our permanent starters... I think Peart has earned his chance to start,and Thomas still has high level starter upside Figure out which side each player plays best this year and 2021 set them for 10 years You think Peart should start at LT? Do you think Thomas should start over Fleming if Fleming has been better? From a long term strategy perspective, that would make sense but do you think that would hurt the moral of the team if they believe they are just putting him in their due to his draft position? Bottom line is this 1.Peart has shown enough ans against some good edge guys in his limited play to start somewhere 2.Thomas has struggled but needs the reps 3.Flemming hasn't been any good So by process of eliminatio Peart starts somewhere Thomas >Flemming because rookie with high upside over vet who is at his ceiling and said rookie needs game reps
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Post by GameTime on Oct 19, 2020 9:09:31 GMT -5
Does suck the Thomas has been the worse of the bunch and it would be crazy if Peart ends up being the LT for the next decade but at least they would've accomplished the goal this draft.. If,Peart establishes himself as the starting LT. He will be rewarded financially. Thomas, will be the opposite financially. More important, this puts a Question on our Scouting Department . Yes, they hit on Peart but less pressure and expectations, as a late third round pick. Peart looks good in his limited snaps but they haven't "hit" on anything yet with him. Lets see how it goes. I hope the hit on him. In that same regard they haven't not hit on Thomas yet either. The kid has issues for sure but his story is not nearly done yet.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2020 9:09:42 GMT -5
Does suck the Thomas has been the worse of the bunch and it would be crazy if Peart ends up being the LT for the next decade but at least they would've accomplished the goal this draft.. If,Peart establishes himself as the starting LT. He will be rewarded financially. Thomas, will be the opposite financially. More important, this puts a Question on our Scouting Department . Yes, they hit on Peart but less pressure and expectations, as a late third round pick. Again If we have a top o line on a top offense on a championship team in a few years is anyone going to remember who was drafted where ?
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 9:17:43 GMT -5
Thomas has made 2019 Solder look like an all pro. He needs to earn his way back at LT or everything Judge has said is just Coach Speak. Judge will loose this team if they think he is starting a lesser player due to draft position. This isn't the 1st time Peart has come in to relieve a Tackle and out played him according to the fans out here. So why would this time be any different and judge makes the move to start him at LT? Well, that's a good question. Do you believe that he outplayed him? I didn't see the all-22 but it did appear that Peart out performed Thomas. I don't if you agree with PFF but they had Peart at over 90 (Pass and run block), which is pretty great considering Thomas has been in the 50's or worse. Also, since Judge gave him 25 snaps at LT, (I highest amount of any game), doesn' t that tell you that he could be leaning towards Peart since Thomas has been close to horrific?
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Post by thetruth on Oct 19, 2020 9:19:19 GMT -5
Jedrick Wills. Should have drafted him mr OL guru Dave Gettlemen. Please did you think this from the beginning or are you using hindsight ? I liked Wills and Thomas but for ultimately I chose Thomas. I said we should draft Jedrick Wills way before the predraft process even started, made a few threads on it. Thomas was never my guy.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 19, 2020 9:20:38 GMT -5
did you think this from the beginning or are you using hindsight ? I liked Wills and Thomas but for ultimately I chose Thomas. Revisionist history is always convenient around here it seems A simple trip into pre draft posts of course could confirm things Its not revisionist you bum. Shall we go look back to see?
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Post by thetruth on Oct 19, 2020 9:23:02 GMT -5
Take it for what it is worth. He looked great when he was in
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 9:23:35 GMT -5
You think Peart should start at LT? Do you think Thomas should start over Fleming if Fleming has been better? From a long term strategy perspective, that would make sense but do you think that would hurt the moral of the team if they believe they are just putting him in their due to his draft position? Bottom line is this 1.Peart has shown enough ans against some good edge guys in his limited play to start somewhere 2.Thomas has struggled but needs the reps3.Flemming hasn't been any good So by process of eliminatio Peart starts somewhere Thomas >Flemming because rookie with high upside over vet who is at his ceiling and said rookie needs game reps Your post is good but to me it points only to one logical conclusion, give Peart more reps at LT. No definitive decision can made at this time.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 19, 2020 9:25:15 GMT -5
I am not an offensive line giy who can see all the ins and outs. I realize Thomas has his own issues above and be the oline sucking in general as a unit.
With that said I wonder how much better ( if at all) would Thomas be if he had a pretty solid line to work with. I've been watching some of the all 22 put up on the internet I see Hernandez and Gates having there own issues which is directly effecting Thomas' game. They blow many assignments as well. Sometimes leaving Thomas on an island with two defenders to chose from. Gates is new too...actually more so than Thomas at their respective positions.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 19, 2020 9:25:54 GMT -5
did you think this from the beginning or are you using hindsight ? I liked Wills and Thomas but for ultimately I chose Thomas. I said we should draft Jedrick Wills way before the predraft process even started, made a few threads on it. Thomas was never my guy. well there you go. Thanks for answering the question.
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Post by hadenough on Oct 19, 2020 9:29:11 GMT -5
I am not an offensive line giy who can see all the ins and outs. I realize Thomas has his own issues above and beyond the oline sucking in general as a unit. With that said I wonder how much better ( if at all) would Thomas be if he had a pretty solid line to work with. I've been watching some of the all 22 put up on the internet I see Hernandez and Gates having there own issues which is directly effecting Thomas' game. They blow many assignments as well. Sometimes leaving Thomas on an island with two defenders to chose from. Gates is new too...actually more so than Thomas at their respective positions. Yeah...it would certainly help. But, it's a new line...young line (left side)...new system. We'll see how this line looks towards the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
This isn't the 1st time Peart has come in to relieve a Tackle and out played him according to the fans out here. So why would this time be any different and judge makes the move to start him at LT? Well, that's a good question. Do you believe that he outplayed him? I didn't see the all-22 but it did appear that Peart out performed Thomas. I don't if you agree with PFF but they had Peart at over 90 (Pass and run block), which is pretty great considering Thomas has been in the 50's or worse. Also, since Judge gave him 25 snaps at LT, (I highest amount of any game), doesn' t that tell you that he could be leaning towards Peart since Thomas has been close to horrific? Consistency in life is what I like and expect that's why I brought up Peart originally playing better than Flemming but didn't take over that spot. Now it would appear that he did the same with Thomas so I would be surprised if he takes over that spot anytime soon no matter what Judge has claimed he will do with players..
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Post by GameTime on Oct 19, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5
Well, that's a good question. Do you believe that he outplayed him? I didn't see the all-22 but it did appear that Peart out performed Thomas. I don't if you agree with PFF but they had Peart at over 90 (Pass and run block), which is pretty great considering Thomas has been in the 50's or worse. Also, since Judge gave him 25 snaps at LT, (I highest amount of any game), doesn' t that tell you that he could be leaning towards Peart since Thomas has been close to horrific? Consistency in life is what I like and expect that's why I brought up Peart originally playing better than Flemming but didn't take over that spot. Now it would appear that he did the same with Thomas so I would be surprised if he takes over that spot anytime soon no matter what Judge has claimed he will do with players.. maybe for some reason they feel if Peart gets a full load of snaps he may not be as good as he has been in limited snaps? IDK
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 9:49:24 GMT -5
Consistency in life is what I like and expect that's why I brought up Peart originally playing better than Flemming but didn't take over that spot. Now it would appear that he did the same with Thomas so I would be surprised if he takes over that spot anytime soon no matter what Judge has claimed he will do with players.. maybe for some reason they feel if Peart gets a full load of snaps he may not be as good as he has been in limited snaps? IDK There is only one way to find out.. Guessing is not that way..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 10:30:27 GMT -5
Take it for what it is worth. Some people will tell you this is a problem or try to make it one because he isn't the first rounder. That grade is better then any LT taken in this draft Wills got his turn getting whipped by the Steelers yesterday and Wirfs got his against the Bears. this is not a problem if Peart can build on this and end up being the best tackle in the Class. Thomas will go the the right side and be a very good player there hopefully, this is a problem a good one for the Giants.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 10:34:02 GMT -5
I am not an offensive line giy who can see all the ins and outs. I realize Thomas has his own issues above and be the oline sucking in general as a unit. With that said I wonder how much better ( if at all) would Thomas be if he had a pretty solid line to work with. I've been watching some of the all 22 put up on the internet I see Hernandez and Gates having there own issues which is directly effecting Thomas' game. They blow many assignments as well. Sometimes leaving Thomas on an island with two defenders to chose from. Gates is new too...actually more so than Thomas at their respective positions. I think this affects Hernandez more then anyone he has inexperience flanking him. That said he is looking much better the last 2 games and wether it was Peart or Thomas the tackles have looked better and will continue to get better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 10:44:48 GMT -5
bottom is I dont care enough to go back and look. I just like to point it out. Many liked Wills over Thomas and Becton too. I was disappointed that they didn't draft Wills but I mentioned that I understood why they took Thomas since he played LT all through college. You know what, it doesn't mean anything. I haven't pounded my chest about being right on an internet message board because it doesn't help the Giants or make me feel better about this disaster of a season. I would be the first to tell you that none of us (myself included) are qualified to be a NFL GM. Up to this point I might have been right about Wills but I would have messed some other move up. We are all sailing on the same crappy leaky boat with a stalled engine. I want to be wrong 100% of the time if it means that the Giants win. Also, I haven't given up on Thomas at all, way to early to judge the kid but you keep putting him out there and reducing the Giants already small chance of winning against any team. This kid needs to earn his way back to LT. Try him at RT but if he can't beat out Peart, Peart should be starting at LT... I was a big Wills guy also. He did get his baptism against the steelers this week and he didn't look like he feared well, when Wirfs had to deal with the Bears guys he got whooped. Thomas has seen the best of the best he is the youngest of these guys think this would be a great problem for the Giants to have if Peart can maintain a high level of play. he graded out the best LT in this Draft and one of the top in the league for 26 snaps. In todays NFL your RT has to be as good as your LT.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 19, 2020 10:47:29 GMT -5
Take it for what it is worth. Some people will tell you this is a problem or try to make it one because he isn't the first rounder. That grade is better then any LT taken in this draft Wills got his turn getting whipped by the Steelers yesterday and Wirfs got his against the Bears. this is not a problem if Peart can build on this and end up being the best tackle in the Class. Thomas will go the the right side and be a very good player there hopefully, this is a problem a good one for the Giants. Please God, may we have this problem. I'll be tickled pink if Peart works his way to be one of our starting tackles for the next 10 years. As GL said above somewhere, if both he and Thomas are starting for a contending Giants team in 3 years, will anyone really care which order they were selected in?
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Post by Roswell on Oct 19, 2020 10:50:41 GMT -5
Thomas will be fine after he gets some experience. Peart looks like a great find.
The only thing this proves is that the Fab Four that we read so much about was a myth from the standpoint that if you missed out on one of them then the ship had sailed and you were out of luck at the OT position.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 10:58:20 GMT -5
Some people will tell you this is a problem or try to make it one because he isn't the first rounder. That grade is better then any LT taken in this draft Wills got his turn getting whipped by the Steelers yesterday and Wirfs got his against the Bears. this is not a problem if Peart can build on this and end up being the best tackle in the Class. Thomas will go the the right side and be a very good player there hopefully, this is a problem a good one for the Giants. Please God, may we have this problem. I'll be tickled pink if Peart works his way to be one of our starting tackles for the next 10 years. As GL said above somewhere, if both he and Thomas are starting for a contending Giants team in 3 years, will anyone really care which order they were selected in? Thomas the last 2 games has graded out in the 70s for the run and Mid 50s Pass. Peart had a crazy 93 run blocking grade and 58 compared to Thomas's 55 in the passing game. This is gonna be a good problem if I were the Giants Peart would be the starting RT on Thursday and Thomas LT the run blocking grade has RT written all over it, they are about even as far as pass blocking yesterday and Thomas has been above average for the last 2 games in the run department grading in the 70s.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 11:01:01 GMT -5
Thomas will be fine after he gets some experience. Peart looks like a great find. The only thing this proves is that the the Fab Four that we read so much about was a myth from the standpoint that if you missed out on one of them then the ship had sailed and you were out of luck at the OT position. It's like that a lot look at the fab 4 qb class mayfield is the best of the bunch only because he's on attacked team same as last year Murray has a lot of weapons and is still struggling. different positions same story.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 12:52:44 GMT -5
Does suck the Thomas has been the worse of the bunch and it would be crazy if Peart ends up being the LT for the next decade but at least they would've accomplished the goal this draft.. If,Peart establishes himself as the starting LT. He will be rewarded financially. Thomas, will be the opposite financially. More important, this puts a Question on our Scouting Department . Yes, they hit on Peart but less pressure and expectations, as a late third round pick. Peart in his 26 snaps out performed all the top tackles. They need to see if he can maintain that. He and Thomas graded about the same in pass blocking 55 for Thomas 58 for Peart and they both did well in the run game Thomas 72 Peart had a great 93 in the run game. I think since teams are more right handed in the run Peart or Thomas should unseat Flemming.
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