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Post by idkaname on Oct 19, 2020 13:21:45 GMT -5
We should all share the same mindset that judge has been preaching.. dont care where you were drafted just produce. Maybe he was(is) further along in the development than thomas and hopefully these guys can secure the edge for a long time together
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 15:30:00 GMT -5
We have a long week between games after Thursday Would not be surprised if week 8 is the beginning of a very long term situation where Thomas and Peart are our permanent starters... I think Peart has earned his chance to start,and Thomas still has high level starter upside Figure out which side each player plays best this year and 2021 set them for 10 years With what we saw it is time for Flemming to hit the bench. Thomas played pretty good with his 22 snaps yesterday grading in the 70s again in the run game and he and Peart were close in passing game 54 for Thomas and a 57 for Peart his run game numbers were awesome at a 93.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 16:18:03 GMT -5
This isn't the 1st time Peart has come in to relieve a Tackle and out played him according to the fans out here. So why would this time be any different and judge makes the move to start him at LT? Well, that's a good question. Do you believe that he outplayed him? I didn't see the all-22 but it did appear that Peart out performed Thomas. I don't if you agree with PFF but they had Peart at over 90 (Pass and run block), which is pretty great considering Thomas has been in the 50's or worse. Also, since Judge gave him 25 snaps at LT, (I highest amount of any game), doesn' t that tell you that he could be leaning towards Peart since Thomas has been close to horrific? Peart was like a 57 or 58 in the pass game 93 in the run. PFF had Thomas in the 70s for the second week in a row in the run game and a 54 in the pass he and Peart were pretty close in the pass blocking grades and Peart was way up there in the run game and Thomas has been good for 2 games in the run game good problem to have. The all 22 isn't out yet watched the condensed version and they both looked pretty good Thomas had the one slip up when Sweat got inside of him for a 3rd down stop.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2020 16:28:39 GMT -5
Well, that's a good question. Do you believe that he outplayed him? I didn't see the all-22 but it did appear that Peart out performed Thomas. I don't if you agree with PFF but they had Peart at over 90 (Pass and run block), which is pretty great considering Thomas has been in the 50's or worse. Also, since Judge gave him 25 snaps at LT, (I highest amount of any game), doesn' t that tell you that he could be leaning towards Peart since Thomas has been close to horrific? Peart was like a 57 or 58 in the pass game 93 in the run. PFF had Thomas in the 70s for the second week in a row in the run game and a 54 in the pass he and Peart were pretty close in the pass blocking grades and Peart was way up there in the run game and Thomas has been good for 2 games in the run game good problem to have. The all 22 isn't out yet watched the condensed version and they both looked pretty good Thomas had the one slip up when Sweat got inside of him for a 3rd down stop. Good info. Hopefully someone can post the All-22 when its available.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 19, 2020 16:50:59 GMT -5
1st off, hell of a job by Peart in limited snaps. He looked like he has a shot at starting sooner than anyone of us thought.
2nd, he only played 25 snaps, if he played 6 weeks of full games, something tells me he wouldn't be grading out so high.
Moving forward Peart should be starting over Fleming, who has looked awful. You probably all know I AM a Thomas guy, he was my fav of the fab 4 OTs. That being said, even if i wasnt dude gets AT LEAST 2 seasons as our starting LT, he was drafted 4th overall, if we give up on him so early in his career we will look like an AWFUL MESS of a franchise
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Post by McCherry on Oct 19, 2020 16:56:06 GMT -5
It was Peart’s first game. He’ll struggle once there’s some tape on him just like Thomas did.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 18:35:37 GMT -5
1st off, hell of a job by Peart in limited snaps. He looked like he has a shot at starting sooner than anyone of us thought. 2nd, he only played 25 snaps, if he played 6 weeks of full games, something tells me he wouldn't be grading out so high. Moving forward Peart should be starting over Fleming, who has looked awful. You probably all know I AM a Thomas guy, he was my fav of the fab 4 OTs. That being said, even if i wasnt dude gets AT LEAST 2 seasons as our starting LT, he was drafted 4th overall, if we give up on him so early in his career we will look like an AWFUL MESS of a franchise Tell you what they can invert him at his natural position of RT right now and he would be better then Flemming.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2020 18:37:59 GMT -5
Peart was like a 57 or 58 in the pass game 93 in the run. PFF had Thomas in the 70s for the second week in a row in the run game and a 54 in the pass he and Peart were pretty close in the pass blocking grades and Peart was way up there in the run game and Thomas has been good for 2 games in the run game good problem to have. The all 22 isn't out yet watched the condensed version and they both looked pretty good Thomas had the one slip up when Sweat got inside of him for a 3rd down stop. Good info. Hopefully someone can post the All-22 when its available. I'll watch it Tomorrow think the Giants are in a decent place Thomas has been improving and Peart seems ahead of the curve.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 19, 2020 18:56:35 GMT -5
Part of the reason Peart was there is because he played at UConn. It’s hard to tell the quality of the player against lower competition. Meanwhile Thomas is from a premier program. Regardless of draft position or any other nonsense Peart is clearly farther along in his development. He represents the best puzzle piece that can help lead to W’s on Sunday. If he isn’t starting Thursday night it flies in the face of what Judge has stayed all along. His entire performance exceede any glimmer we have seen from Thomas so far.
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Post by giants8493 on Oct 19, 2020 22:31:53 GMT -5
Peart should play more.
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Post by houndstoothhat on Oct 19, 2020 22:47:14 GMT -5
Kid looks good in limited play . Trust your HC toputout the starting 22! Maybe we will wind up with 2 starting OT’s!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 3:20:24 GMT -5
Looking back at it, Peart was dope playing the LT spot. He needs some time on the OL for sure. Why not see him at LG as well to see what we have there.
Maybe linking up a "road grinding" LG in Hernandez and a finesse tackle in Andrew's isn't the best fit. Why not try Peart at LG (i think you can classify him as a balanced Guard) and have Thomas play the usual LT spot. They can probably hand off stunts better, or play double team blocks better together... who knows??
I'm up for seeing it though because Hernandez is showing us that he doesn't deserve a starting spot in this league right now.
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 20, 2020 9:07:24 GMT -5
Looking back at it, Peart was dope playing the LT spot. He needs some time on the OL for sure. Why not see him at LG as well to see what we have there. Maybe linking up a "road grinding" LG in Hernandez and a finesse tackle in Andrew's isn't the best fit. Why not try Peart at LG (i think you can classify him as a balanced Guard) and have Thomas play the usual LT spot. They can probably hand off stunts better, or play double team blocks better together... who knows?? I'm up for seeing it though because Hernandez is showing us that he doesn't deserve a starting spot in this league right now. Wasn't Hernandez a RG in college? I think the college tape had him mostly on the right side. They moved him over to the left b/c we had Omameh (oh man, he was meh) and then Zeitler. Peart, he's already shown what he can do at tackle. I'd keep him at LT until he starts regressing.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 20, 2020 15:46:43 GMT -5
Looking back at it, Peart was dope playing the LT spot. He needs some time on the OL for sure. Why not see him at LG as well to see what we have there. Maybe linking up a "road grinding" LG in Hernandez and a finesse tackle in Andrew's isn't the best fit. Why not try Peart at LG (i think you can classify him as a balanced Guard) and have Thomas play the usual LT spot. They can probably hand off stunts better, or play double team blocks better together... who knows?? I'm up for seeing it though because Hernandez is showing us that he doesn't deserve a starting spot in this league right now. why have peart play LG?? Has he ever played inside?? I agree, Hernandez hasnt played well this year, but hes still super young. If anything stick Peart at RT, where he has played and cut Fleming at the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:57:54 GMT -5
Looking back at it, Peart was dope playing the LT spot. He needs some time on the OL for sure. Why not see him at LG as well to see what we have there. Maybe linking up a "road grinding" LG in Hernandez and a finesse tackle in Andrew's isn't the best fit. Why not try Peart at LG (i think you can classify him as a balanced Guard) and have Thomas play the usual LT spot. They can probably hand off stunts better, or play double team blocks better together... who knows?? I'm up for seeing it though because Hernandez is showing us that he doesn't deserve a starting spot in this league right now. why have peart play LG?? Has he ever played inside?? I agree, Hernandez hasnt played well this year, but hes still super young. If anything stick Peart at RT, where he has played and cut Fleming at the end of the season. I explained why I would try it. Wouldn’t you want to see if you can get the best 5 guys out there. I promise you he won’t forget how to play tackle.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 20, 2020 16:04:50 GMT -5
why have peart play LG?? Has he ever played inside?? I agree, Hernandez hasnt played well this year, but hes still super young. If anything stick Peart at RT, where he has played and cut Fleming at the end of the season. I explained why I would try it. Wouldn’t you want to see if you can get the best 5 guys out there. I promise you he won’t forget how to play tackle. ...Well as long as you promise You didnt address why you wouldnt put him in at his natural position, which happens to be in place of the worst member of our OL, Fleming. You only mentioned why you would put him next to Thomas. He is a tackle we drafted him to be a tackle, we drafted Lemieux to play inside, why not play him there if you want to give up on our 3rd year 2nd round draft pick??
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 20, 2020 16:08:58 GMT -5
if only we had known Peart would be this good we could have gone in another direction with our 1st pick and got ourselves an edge rusher...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 16:14:17 GMT -5
I explained why I would try it. Wouldn’t you want to see if you can get the best 5 guys out there. I promise you he won’t forget how to play tackle. ...Well as long as you promise You didnt address why you wouldnt put him in at his natural position, which happens to be in place of the worst member of our OL, Fleming. You only mentioned why you would put him next to Thomas. He is a tackle we drafted him to be a tackle, we drafted Lemieux to play inside, why not play him there if you want to give up on our 3rd year 2nd round draft pick?? Hernandez is pretty bad right now and probably the worst of the 5 OL starters. If you feel that get can get better and become a different player, cool. I respect your opinion. Also, I don't feel like Fleming should be benched right now. He's the best of our 5 starters (which sucks to say)
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2020 16:19:51 GMT -5
if only we had known Peart would be this good we could have gone in another direction with our 1st pick and got ourselves an edge rusher... Nah Still like the 2 tackle draft...needed 2 anyway The edge rushers after Young would have been major reaches. Simmons has been outplayed by Mr Irrelevant in his 2 games already..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2020 17:05:00 GMT -5
if only we had known Peart would be this good we could have gone in another direction with our 1st pick and got ourselves an edge rusher... I did watch the all 22. He was good but I don't know exactly what PFF is seeing, he got stepped around about 3 or 4 times going against Young it was on run plays maybe by design. but he and Thomas did play well and this was probably Thomas's best game.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2020 17:07:52 GMT -5
if only we had known Peart would be this good we could have gone in another direction with our 1st pick and got ourselves an edge rusher... Nah Still like the 2 tackle draft...needed 2 anyway The edge rushers after Young would have been major reaches. Simmons has been outplayed by Mr Irrelevant in his 2 games already.. Tell you what if Peart and Thomas become just good players for the next ten years dependable health wise and play wise this will be one of the best moves they made drafting the 2 together.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2020 7:36:33 GMT -5
if the team has good drafts and still can't win does that give DG a pass, just wondering...
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Post by GameTime on Oct 21, 2020 7:39:43 GMT -5
Noticed on th TD from Jones to Slayton that Peart got beat and Jones gets hit just after he throws.
Just saying....
I am a big fan of Thomas and Peart just want to keep things in perspective for both.
Peart has played well when in but maybe if he has had 360+ snaps like Thomas at LT he'd be getting beat too at times. Maybe often....IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 8:38:27 GMT -5
Noticed on th TD from Jones to Slayton that Peart got beat and Jones gets hit just after he throws. Just saying.... I am a big fan of Thomas and Peart just want to keep things in perspective for both. Peart has played well when in but maybe if he has had 360+ snaps like Thomas at LT he'd be getting beat too at times. Maybe often....IDK. What's with all the negative vibes?? LOL
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Post by GameTime on Oct 21, 2020 8:43:30 GMT -5
Noticed on th TD from Jones to Slayton that Peart got beat and Jones gets hit just after he throws. Just saying.... I am a big fan of Thomas and Peart just want to keep things in perspective for both. Peart has played well when in but maybe if he has had 360+ snaps like Thomas at LT he'd be getting beat too at times. Maybe often....IDK. What's with all the negative vibes?? LOL I know right......
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Oct 21, 2020 9:41:35 GMT -5
Noticed on th TD from Jones to Slayton that Peart got beat and Jones gets hit just after he throws. Just saying.... I am a big fan of Thomas and Peart just want to keep things in perspective for both. Peart has played well when in but maybe if he has had 360+ snaps like Thomas at LT he'd be getting beat too at times. Maybe often....IDK. He was beaten to the ouside though, not the inside. Gave DJ enough time to throw a dime. Other than that play, I didn't see him get beat the rest of the game.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Oct 21, 2020 14:46:05 GMT -5
Peart should of started at Right tackle day one over Fleming period.
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Post by BlueReign on Oct 21, 2020 15:14:57 GMT -5
Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Zeitler-Peart and let it stay that way for a while. Too much shuffling on the OL. Let them gel.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 21, 2020 15:37:14 GMT -5
Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Zeitler-Peart and let it stay that way for a while. Too much shuffling on the OL. Let them gel. I agree...
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 21, 2020 19:04:48 GMT -5
...Well as long as you promise You didnt address why you wouldnt put him in at his natural position, which happens to be in place of the worst member of our OL, Fleming. You only mentioned why you would put him next to Thomas. He is a tackle we drafted him to be a tackle, we drafted Lemieux to play inside, why not play him there if you want to give up on our 3rd year 2nd round draft pick?? Hernandez is pretty bad right now and probably the worst of the 5 OL starters. If you feel that get can get better and become a different player, cool. I respect your opinion. Also, I don't feel like Fleming should be benched right now. He's the best of our 5 starters (which sucks to say) Hopefully Hernandez will pick up the pace, but its too early to give up on a 2nd rounder just yet. I respect your opinion as well, Fleming however is the worst starter on the OL. In addition to letting up countless pressures he has given up 3 sacks so far which is the most outside of our 1st round rookie. Put stock in it however you read it, but his pff grade so far is the 2nd worst after Nick Gates, who has never snapped the ball until this off season. Fleming is a vet coming from a good OL in Dallas and has proved hes a depth player at best
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