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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 15:09:46 GMT -5
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 28, 2020 16:15:57 GMT -5
Where does Patricia ( next year ) end up ? Home on the couch ?
Patriots DC ?
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 28, 2020 16:20:49 GMT -5
fingers crossed but thus far looks like Judge is breaking away from the typical post-bellichick coaching fail
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2020 16:49:50 GMT -5
New GM and HC Consider them now in the qb sweepstakes
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 28, 2020 17:01:10 GMT -5
fingers crossed but thus far looks like Judge is breaking away from the typical post-bellichick coaching fail Judge is 3-7
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 17:05:29 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too.
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 28, 2020 17:10:21 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. well he did just get launched. but seriously i think part of having lions play on thanksgiving day as part of a tradition, is to fire their head coach that same weekend
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2020 17:24:18 GMT -5
It is a results driven business. If you don't handle your business, you're gone. Plain and simple. He did nothing to move the needle, so he rightfully got laid off. Are there any Bellichick disciples that have been successful head coaches in the NFL? Andy Reid's coaching tree has been way better.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2020 17:25:55 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. There certainly are a lot of bad apples from that tree.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2020 17:28:32 GMT -5
fingers crossed but thus far looks like Judge is breaking away from the typical post-bellichick coaching fail I don't know, man. The team is 3-7. I like Judge a whole lot, but the jury is still out on him. Putting him on a premature pedestal is a bad idea IMO. It will be time to gloat when we start winning more games than we lose. I will say that I am strong believer that we will next year. I just have to keep my hopes very grounded for now.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2020 19:21:25 GMT -5
fingers crossed but thus far looks like Judge is breaking away from the typical post-bellichick coaching fail I don't know, man. The team is 3-7. I like Judge a whole lot, but the jury is still out on him. Putting him on a premature pedestal is a bad idea IMO. It will be time to gloat when we start winning more games than we lose. I will say that I am strong believer that we will next year. I just have to keep my hopes very grounded for now. Provided we don't neglect outside weapons
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 20:45:20 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. Yeah, maybe he could work for NASA. But could he lead it? Two totally different types of people in my experience.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 21:03:15 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. Yeah, maybe he could work for NASA. But could he lead it? Two totally different types of people in my experience. He couldn’t lead at his first profession. I’m sure, he couldn’t lead at NASA as well. The man couldn’t lead a horse to water if he had a map and a gps. He was a disaster in Detroit.
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 21:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe he could work for NASA. But could he lead it? Two totally different types of people in my experience. He couldn’t lead at his first profession. I’m sure, he couldn’t lead at NASA as well. The man couldn’t lead a horse to water if he had a map and a gps. He was a disaster in Detroit. My point was smarts and leadership are 2 different qualities.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 28, 2020 21:27:28 GMT -5
I thought Patricia had the best shot of Belichik asst. to succeed. Now I guess it will have to be Judge. Thought Patricia was going to build a dominant defense in Detroit.
The only thing I don't understand these teams that make big moves this time of year. Any interim coach can't put anything new in to improve the team the last 5-6 weeks of the season. Are they really getting any kind of jump on a new hire candidate ? My answer is NO !
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 21:38:07 GMT -5
I thought Patricia had the best shot of Belichik asst. to succeed. Now I guess it will have to be Judge. Thought Patricia was going to build a dominant defense in Detroit. The only thing I don't understand these teams that make big moves this time of year. Any interim coach can't put anything new in to improve the team the last 5-6 weeks of the season. Are they really getting any kind of jump on a new hire candidate ? My answer is NO ! My bet is yes.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 21:39:15 GMT -5
He couldn’t lead at his first profession. I’m sure, he couldn’t lead at NASA as well. The man couldn’t lead a horse to water if he had a map and a gps. He was a disaster in Detroit. My point was smarts and leadership are 2 different qualities. And my point was he can be very smart, but an idiot when it comes to being a leader of men.
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 21:54:03 GMT -5
My point was smarts and leadership are 2 different qualities. And my point was he can be very smart, but an idiot when it comes to being a leader of men. Ok...so I guess we agree?
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 22:00:55 GMT -5
And my point was he can be very smart, but an idiot when it comes to being a leader of men. Ok...so I guess we agree? With you? Absolutely not.. But, I’m in a good mood. So, sure..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2020 22:57:06 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. Maybe thats where he will be next year lol to the moon.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2020 23:00:03 GMT -5
I thought Patricia had the best shot of Belichik asst. to succeed. Now I guess it will have to be Judge. Thought Patricia was going to build a dominant defense in Detroit. The only thing I don't understand these teams that make big moves this time of year. Any interim coach can't put anything new in to improve the team the last 5-6 weeks of the season. Are they really getting any kind of jump on a new hire candidate ? My answer is NO ! Varabel is good in Tennessee think I butchered his name tho.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 23:05:46 GMT -5
Another bad apple from the Bill Belichick tree. And Patricia was supposed to be the “mad genius.” The man who could work for NASA if he wanted too. Maybe thats where he will be next year lol to the moon. He can give Ray Handley company.
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2020 23:56:28 GMT -5
Ok...so I guess we agree? With you? Absolutely not.. But, I’m in a good mood. So, sure.. Everyone knows you're a forum tough guy. Thanks for being in a good mood.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2020 0:11:48 GMT -5
With you? Absolutely not.. But, I’m in a good mood. So, sure.. Everyone knows you're a forum tough guy. Thanks for being in a good mood. You couldn’t be more wrong..
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 29, 2020 0:23:57 GMT -5
Everyone knows you're a forum tough guy. Thanks for being in a good mood. You couldn’t be more wrong.. Ok, I'm wrong...
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Post by TEM on Nov 29, 2020 8:51:08 GMT -5
How is it no matter who is placed as the GM and HC in Detroit fail? Their problems goes beyond the HC and GM . They are like the Jets . There is an inherent underlying root issue that that is not going away until it is fixed. Just changing the GM and HC is not going to change the problem. Isn't ironic when the Ford's took over the franchise in the early 60s . They stopped winning championships.
Quinn and Patricia were doomed from the moment they were hired.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2020 10:27:10 GMT -5
Vrable (sp) is liked by his players as is Judge and as was BB Patricia never was.Add in Judge also study his craft with Sabin at Alabama I think we lucked out! He is young and never been a HC so yeah there could be some bumps but we'll see how well this goes. Players like Belichick? Since when? How is it no matter who is placed as the GM and HC in Detroit fail? Their problems goes beyond the HC and GM . They are like the Jets . There is an inherent underlying root issue that that is not going away until it is fixed. Just changing the GM and HC is not going to change the problem. Isn't ironic when the Ford's took over the franchise in the early 60s . They stopped winning championships. Quinn and Patricia were doomed from the moment they were hired. So, it’s the Ford families fault? From my understanding, they’re a hands off ownership. I think it’s they have rotten luck with their hiring. Since ‘65 they’ve had 17 head coaches. Only two of them have a record of over .500 Look at our franchise. We’ve had some terrible hires in the last 50 years. If not for Parcells, and Tom Coughlin we had a bunch of duds mixed in. You have to hire the right coach, it’s as important as finding a franchise quarterback.
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Post by TEM on Nov 29, 2020 10:40:39 GMT -5
Vrable (sp) is liked by his players as is Judge and as was BB Patricia never was.Add in Judge also study his craft with Sabin at Alabama I think we lucked out! He is young and never been a HC so yeah there could be some bumps but we'll see how well this goes. Players like Belichick? Since when? How is it no matter who is placed as the GM and HC in Detroit fail? Their problems goes beyond the HC and GM . They are like the Jets . There is an inherent underlying root issue that that is not going away until it is fixed. Just changing the GM and HC is not going to change the problem. Isn't ironic when the Ford's took over the franchise in the early 60s . They stopped winning championships. Quinn and Patricia were doomed from the moment they were hired. So, it’s the Ford families fault? From my understanding, they’re a hands off ownership. I think it’s they have rotten luck with their hiring. Since ‘65 they’ve had 17 head coaches. Only two of them have a record of over .500 Look at our franchise. We’ve had some terrible hires in the last 50 years. If not for Parcells, and Tom Coughlin we had a bunch of duds mixed in. You have to hire the right coach, it’s as important as finding a franchise quarterback. You can you say they are hands off? There are 5 Fords in their FO. There is no one between them and the GM. You can see it the way you want . There is a pattern stretching back 60 years since the Ford's took over. Just since 2000 The Lions have had 5 GMs We are on our 4th since 79. In that same time frame 10 Head coaches. We have had 5. By the way we were in 3 Super bowls since 2000 . The scapegoat method of Franchise building is a proven failed system.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2020 10:53:22 GMT -5
Players like Belichick? Since when? So, it’s the Ford families fault? From my understanding, they’re a hands off ownership. I think it’s they have rotten luck with their hiring. Since ‘65 they’ve had 17 head coaches. Only two of them have a record of over .500 Look at our franchise. We’ve had some terrible hires in the last 50 years. If not for Parcells, and Tom Coughlin we had a bunch of duds mixed in. You have to hire the right coach, it’s as important as finding a franchise quarterback. You can you say they are hands off? There are 4 Fords in their FO. There is no one between them and the GM. You can see it the way you want . There is a pattern stretching back 60 years since the Ford's took over. Just since 2000 The Lions have had 5 GMs We are on our 4th since 79. In that same time frame 10 Head coaches. We have had 5. By the way we were in 3 Super bowls since 2000 . The scapegoat method of Franchise building is a proven failed system. Comparing our success over the last 40 years to Detroit was not the point. We have won 4 Super Bowls to their 0. We all know that. And so what they have 4 Fords in their front office. Most family owned businesses do. We have 3. I’m sure Pittsburg has a few. Look at their hires over the last 35 years. All retreads or men who had no business being a head coach. And let’s go deeper, how many franchise quarterbacks has this franchise had? Besides Matthew Stafford who have they had? Rodney Peete? Eric Kramer? Not exactly the quarterbacks I would want with my franchise.
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Post by TEM on Nov 29, 2020 11:11:26 GMT -5
You can you say they are hands off? There are 4 Fords in their FO. There is no one between them and the GM. You can see it the way you want . There is a pattern stretching back 60 years since the Ford's took over. Just since 2000 The Lions have had 5 GMs We are on our 4th since 79. In that same time frame 10 Head coaches. We have had 5. By the way we were in 3 Super bowls since 2000 . The scapegoat method of Franchise building is a proven failed system. Comparing our success over the last 40 years to Detroit was not the point. We have won 4 Super Bowls to their 0. We all know that. And so what they have 4 Fords in their front office. Most family owned businesses do. We have 3. I’m sure Pittsburg has a few. Look at their hires over the last 35 years. All retreads or men who had no business being a head coach. And let’s go deeper, how many franchise quarterbacks has this franchise had? Besides Matthew Stafford who have they had? Rodney Peete? Eric Kramer? Not exactly the quarterbacks I would want with my franchise. You changed your point. You said they were hands off owners. That is what I was responding to. I never implied that ownership is not involved. They always are to some degree. What I am saying is ; when ownership is hands on and F the organization up and fail to acknowledge that. What you end up with is the Lions, Jets Browns. At some point if the same revolving door keeps spinning. There is more going on than just the GM and HC. All the teams with multiple wins without an ownership change ( Was) after the wins all have a commonality . They do not overly extend blame to the GM of HC. Tim and Wellington realized they were the problem. That root problem was fixed. The result 5 appearances and 4 wins.
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