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Post by rbe40 on Feb 7, 2021 14:12:04 GMT -5
Nah this past season Wentz looked shellshocked he was not handling pressure well and has been beaten up over the last few years. No one knows how he will come back or if he will. He might have been the worst QB in football before he was benched. He definitely struggled last year. But in 2019, he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs. Uh, no he absolutely did not. Wentz has never carried any football team ever in his life. Not in college, not with the Eagles in 2017 or 2019. Wentz is 100% Fraud. The 2019 Eagles had the #1 performing Offensive Line in Football. The Eagles O-Line carried the Eagles to the playoffs in 2019.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 7, 2021 14:23:46 GMT -5
lol ... Trubisky is not better than Wentz That had to be one of tbe biggest draft day blunders in history Trade assets to get this guy ahead of both Watson and Mahomes Watson lol 1) Mitch Trubisky has a better W-L record than Deshaun Watson. 2) Watson's throwing velocity is under 50 mph. He is a weak-armed passer. Arm Strength isn't his forte. He's a Dome / Warm Weather QB. Watson grew up in Georgia and played college ball in South Carolina. In Houston, he gets 8 dome games at home, plus 3 road games inside the AFC South (Colts-dome, Jags/Titans-warm weather). So that's at least 9 dome games for Watson every year. Trubisky plays in windy, cold weather Chicago 8 times a year, plus a road game at Lambeau. That's at least 9 bad weather games for Trubisky. If Watson played his NFL career thus far in Chicago versus a dome, he would be a different QB than what you think he is now. 3) 36-7. 36 to 7. I'm pretty sure the Bears don't regret passing on a QB that they just obliterated with the utmost ease. If anybody knows how massively overrated Watson is, it's the Bears. They annihilated him 36-7. Bears have 0 interest in Watson. None. www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401220279
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 7, 2021 14:58:16 GMT -5
He definitely struggled last year. But in 2019, he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs. Uh, no he absolutely did not. Wentz has never carried any football team ever in his life. Not in college, not with the Eagles in 2017 or 2019. Wentz is 100% Fraud. The 2019 Eagles had the #1 performing Offensive Line in Football. The Eagles O-Line carried the Eagles to the playoffs in 2019. I watched him make play after play. He did it with zero NFL WR's. When I mean "zero", I mean that his only WR was a converted QB who was strictly a ST player in the NFL. I saw him make great plays against us to pull that comeback off in 2019. If you don't see how well he played in 2019 then that's on you. I won't waste any more time on you.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Feb 7, 2021 15:01:38 GMT -5
Sounds like it'll be Foles, a Round 1, and a player for Wentz. I think Indy would be a SB contender with him. wait , what? A super bowl contender with Wentz but not Phillip Rivers? Age 28 Wentz v age 40 Rivers? Correct
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Post by finngiant on Feb 7, 2021 16:02:16 GMT -5
I think if the Bears or the Colts get Wentz he will make them a much better team, Wentz IMO is a talented QB who just needs better surroundings, but that could apply to a lot of QBs.. The Colts are a great quarterback away from dethroning the Chiefs. They’re well coached, and have talent on both sides of the ball. They built their team how I wanted the Giants to do so. Great offensive line, with talented linebackers. Wentz is not that good and likely cant even match Rivers play this season. Colts might as well get Nick Foles and hope they get the SB version of him
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 7, 2021 16:23:44 GMT -5
Nah this past season Wentz looked shellshocked he was not handling pressure well and has been beaten up over the last few years. No one knows how he will come back or if he will. He might have been the worst QB in football before he was benched. He definitely struggled last year. But in 2019, he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs.
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 7, 2021 16:37:00 GMT -5
He's a strong sturdy guy, no doubt. But I never liked his throwing trajectory/accuracy over 20 years ...he's a gun it on short routes kind of guy. Hes also not fast enough as a runner to make defenses dedicate players to spying on him. I guess he reads defenses ok, but who cares if you underwhelm on everything else?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 7, 2021 18:25:56 GMT -5
Carson Wentz and Deshuan Watson both prove your only a QB away if you have talent on both sides of the ball to support that QB. Some here think if we give away the next 3 years of upper tier draft capital for Watson we are fixed, no we are f#$%ed. Hopefully for Wentz if the Eagles do trade hime he finds a home with a decent OL and some weapons, otherwise he will have the same out come he did last year. I’m not sure that’s it. Certainly I’ve seen some of those posts but obviously don’t take them seriously. That’s all just NFL marketing and media drivel for the casual fan. However I do think there is validity to the idea that getting Watson probably solves the biggest variable for any NFL team for the next decade. And with that variable solved, it’s likely much easier to go about collecting the remaining necessary pieces. I agree. Where I was coming from the team trading for said QB loses their top draft assets for the next 2 or 3 years and their Cap will be impacted by his contract. this is a QB with 4 or 5 years in already. So they will have to be almost perfect in the draft and that might not be enough to get him enough talent in the next 4 to 5 years of his career, before they know it he is in year 9 and or 10 and because they gave away those draft assets and they have to be thrifty in freeagncy they might still be trying to collect what they need. It's a slippery slope.
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Post by Merc on Feb 9, 2021 12:36:30 GMT -5
Carson Wentz is too injury prone to be worth what the Eagles want for him. Here is his injury history:
Jan 5, 2020 Head Cranial Concussion Oct 11, 2018 Back Vertebral Fracture Dec 10, 2017 Knee ACL and LCL Tear Aug 11, 2016 Rib Fracture Oct 17, 2015 Hand Wrist Fracture
I don't believe he has ever played a full season.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 9, 2021 12:43:18 GMT -5
Carson Wentz is too injury prone to be worth what the Eagles want for him. Here is his injury history: Jan 5, 2020 Head Cranial Concussion Oct 11, 2018 Back Vertebral Fracture Dec 10, 2017 Knee ACL and LCL Tear Aug 11, 2016 Rib Fracture Oct 17, 2015 Hand Wrist Fracture I don't believe he has ever played a full season. He's played 2 full seasons and would have in 2020 if he wasn't benched by a now fired HC.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 9, 2021 14:21:06 GMT -5
Interesting stuff from McAfee today on the Eagles/Wentz stuff floating around.
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Post by Merc on Feb 10, 2021 11:13:06 GMT -5
Carson Wentz is too injury prone to be worth what the Eagles want for him. Here is his injury history: Jan 5, 2020 Head Cranial Concussion Oct 11, 2018 Back Vertebral Fracture Dec 10, 2017 Knee ACL and LCL Tear Aug 11, 2016 Rib Fracture Oct 17, 2015 Hand Wrist Fracture I don't believe he has ever played a full season. He's played 2 full seasons and would have in 2020 if he wasn't benched by a now fired HC. Which full seasons did he play?
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 10, 2021 11:16:52 GMT -5
He's played 2 full seasons and would have in 2020 if he wasn't benched by a now fired HC. Which full seasons did he play? He started 16 games in 2016 and 2019.
Jeez....Look it up.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 10, 2021 11:46:35 GMT -5
he is a risk for injury and performance. Big roll of the dice for a team that needs more than just a QB.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 10, 2021 20:02:30 GMT -5
he is a risk for injury and performance. Big roll of the dice for a team that needs more than just a QB. He was benched by the team that is trading him. Other GMs must be laughing if they are asking for a huge payoff.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 10, 2021 20:26:04 GMT -5
he is a risk for injury and performance. Big roll of the dice for a team that needs more than just a QB. He was benched by the team that is trading him. Other GMs must be laughing if they are asking for a huge payoff. Yet they will probably get it.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 10, 2021 21:58:39 GMT -5
I really think the Eagles took a huge nosedive as an organization and its really wild to see. This team won the Super Bowl in 2017 and went to the playoffs the next two years, this was their first "bad season" since.
I mean they rolled with Wentz last year over Foles, they took Hurts in the second round of the draft, refused to play him until it was too late, Wentz wanted out, then the debacle of Week 17 happened which still makes no sense why Pederson would do it, the veterans of that team were apparently none too pleased, then Pederson is fired and Wentz apparently still wants out.
Thats just straight up dysfunction. Definitely not complaining though.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 15, 2021 21:33:03 GMT -5
I really think the Eagles took a huge nosedive as an organization and its really wild to see. This team won the Super Bowl in 2017 and went to the playoffs the next two years, this was their first "bad season" since. I mean they rolled with Wentz last year over Foles, they took Hurts in the second round of the draft, refused to play him until it was too late, Wentz wanted out, then the debacle of Week 17 happened which still makes no sense why Pederson would do it, the veterans of that team were apparently none too pleased, then Pederson is fired and Wentz apparently still wants out. Thats just straight up dysfunction. Definitely not complaining though. Is it crazy to think that management/ownership wanted to lose that game strictly for draft position? I mean what coach would pull such a demoralizing stunt unless he thought it would save his job? It sure looks to me like it was a calculated move to make Pederson the fall guy. Of course if Pederson was TRYING to get fired then he played THEM. Sure glad that dysfunction is them. It could take quite awhile to recover from that shit show.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 16, 2021 15:32:14 GMT -5
I really think the Eagles took a huge nosedive as an organization and its really wild to see. This team won the Super Bowl in 2017 and went to the playoffs the next two years, this was their first "bad season" since. I mean they rolled with Wentz last year over Foles, they took Hurts in the second round of the draft, refused to play him until it was too late, Wentz wanted out, then the debacle of Week 17 happened which still makes no sense why Pederson would do it, the veterans of that team were apparently none too pleased, then Pederson is fired and Wentz apparently still wants out. Thats just straight up dysfunction. Definitely not complaining though. Is it crazy to think that management/ownership wanted to lose that game strictly for draft position? I mean what coach would pull such a demoralizing stunt unless he thought it would save his job? It sure looks to me like it was a calculated move to make Pederson the fall guy. Of course if Pederson was TRYING to get fired then he played THEM. Sure glad that dysfunction is them. It could take quite awhile to recover from that shit show. Right thats my point as well because if ownership wanted them to lose that game then Pederson followed through on that promise, I dont know how you fire him for doing it. Again, this was their first losing season since before the Super Bowl, there must have been a lot of issues behind the scenes if DP was fired just after that. Its crazy to see. I love it.
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Post by te88 on Feb 17, 2021 8:40:17 GMT -5
Rumour is the Eagles are not getting the offers they want for Wentz. Apparently the top is two 2nd rounders from Indy.
Doubtful the rumours are worth much but I do think Wentz reputation was ruined this year. Poor play and what seems like a lot of whining off the field.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 17, 2021 9:02:30 GMT -5
Rumour is the Eagles are not getting the offers they want for Wentz. Apparently the top is two 2nd rounders from Indy. Doubtful the rumours are worth much but I do think Wentz reputation was ruined this year. Poor play and what seems like a lot of whining off the field. We all have our own opinions of Carson Wentz the player, the fact remains QBs DO get ruined beyond repair sometimes. The doubt that seeps in on nearly all QBs stays in their heads and affects all aspects as they press. They don't get a 10 game slump like MLB players do to "work it out". To the scrap heap they often go. I'm not a big Wentz advocate and never coveted him like a few other non NYG QBs, but I'm not ready to say he's ruined. His best shot for redemption IS the Colts because of the Reich connection. Its that contract that plays a huge role in the trade offer and the Colts are smart to play hardball.
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Post by te88 on Feb 17, 2021 9:28:20 GMT -5
Rumour is the Eagles are not getting the offers they want for Wentz. Apparently the top is two 2nd rounders from Indy. Doubtful the rumours are worth much but I do think Wentz reputation was ruined this year. Poor play and what seems like a lot of whining off the field. We all have our own opinions of Carson Wentz the player, the fact remains QBs DO get ruined beyond repair sometimes. The doubt that seeps in on nearly all QBs stays in their heads and affects all aspects as they press. They don't get a 10 game slump like MLB players do to "work it out". To the scrap heap they often go. I'm not a big Wentz advocate and never coveted him like a few other non NYG QBs, but I'm not ready to say he's ruined. His best shot for redemption IS the Colts because of the Reich connection. Its that contract that plays a huge role in the trade offer and the Colts are smart to play hardball. I agree. Indy is ideal for him
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 17, 2021 10:41:15 GMT -5
he is a risk for injury and performance. Big roll of the dice for a team that needs more than just a QB. He was benched by the team that is trading him. Other GMs must be laughing if they are asking for a huge payoff. Bite your tongue. I’m sure they are all saying that he used to be the QB of a team that was once almost good enough to have a MVP candidate.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 17, 2021 16:25:43 GMT -5
Again who is eating all his dead money?
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Post by jb456 on Feb 17, 2021 17:04:22 GMT -5
Again who is eating all his dead money? That is a great question since the Eagles are already $51M over the cap and Carson Wentz's dead cap is $59M in 2021. Can you trade Guaranteed money?
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 17, 2021 17:25:24 GMT -5
Again who is eating all his dead money? That is a great question since the Eagles are already $51M over the cap and Carson Wentz's dead cap is $59M in 2021. Can you trade Guaranteed money? Yeah if you include a 1st round pick like the Rams did with Goff This is why there was no way they would get even a first back for him
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 17, 2021 22:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 17, 2021 23:50:35 GMT -5
Again, the team that is looking to trade him benched him this season because he played that badly. He's hurt more often than not.
There's no bidding war for Wentz unless you are an idiot GM.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 18, 2021 12:06:18 GMT -5
Wentz is officially a Colt.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 18, 2021 12:06:27 GMT -5
Wentz to the Colts for a 3rd rounder and Conditional 2nd rounder in 2022
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