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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 25, 2021 22:22:00 GMT -5
That's even worse. The guy has a 140 million dollar contract...players are so spoiled now it's pretty comical. So he expressed he's open to a trade and on top of that wants to dictate how the owners and management deal him. I think this type of stuff will make fans pick up a new hobby on Sundays that isn't watching football games. I can see why Coughlin got ran out of the league last year by the NFLPA considering how things are now. So..yeah...I don't think the current company I work for is the best for my career. I want to get traded to Google, Apple, or Amazon, lol. Didn't Coughlin win his first Superbowl after he started listening to his players?
Coughlin heard it from ownership as well as his wife. My guess is they made more of an impact on him than someone like Tiki Barber.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 25, 2021 22:37:26 GMT -5
Wilson requesting a trade will not end well. Just MO.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 25, 2021 22:59:18 GMT -5
All this talk of fans being ok with losing is bullshit. No one wants their team to lose, but what is the alternative. Only one I see is to switch teams. Take a poll here. You'll find a majority are happy with the direction of the team.
I say 15 wins in 3 years is horrific. Really, it's 18 wins in 4 years. There are no excuses. Yet fans will offer up a number of them.
I this team is in the best hands since TC was forced into retirement.
I'm optimistic having Joe Judge running this team. I'm happy with Graham running our defense. I'm happy with McGaughey as our ST coordinator, but he obviously has to answer for the 2nd half of the season decline. And I think most will agree that the jury is still out on Garrett. But let's give him Saquon and some playmakers at WR before we replace him. But that aside, I'm happy as hell to not have a WCO OC.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 25, 2021 22:59:47 GMT -5
Wilson requesting a trade will not end well. Just MO.
His agent said he did not.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 25, 2021 23:14:49 GMT -5
Wilson requesting a trade will not end well. Just MO.
His agent said he did not.
I don't doubt it's a negotiating ploy floated by his agent. I would be amazed if he actually leaves Seattle.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 26, 2021 0:00:06 GMT -5
Take a poll here. You'll find a majority are happy with the direction of the team.
I say 15 wins in 3 years is horrific. Really, it's 18 wins in 4 years. There are no excuses. Yet fans will offer up a number of them.
I this team is in the best hands since TC was forced into retirement.
I'm optimistic having Joe Judge running this team. I'm happy with Graham running our defense. I'm happy with McGaughey as our ST coordinator, but he obviously has to answer for the 2nd half of the season decline. And I think most will agree that the jury is still out on Garrett. But let's give him Saquon and some playmakers at WR before we replace him. But that aside, I'm happy as hell to not have a WCO OC.
I'm sorry Rosie...But I can't conger up the words "I'm happy" when thinking about a single damned thing regarding my team.
Until they prove otherwise, we're a tired franchise, stuck in the past, obsessed with continuity....all in a rapidly changing NFL. Can Joe pull us out of it? I certainly hope so. But the last 9 years has stripped any benefit of the doubt for me.
They have to earn it to get my confidence.....and they haven't come close to doing that yet. They haven't earned a damned thing.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 26, 2021 9:40:11 GMT -5
I do agree these guys/players need to be kept out of the FO, coaches and GMs meetings. The hierarchy needs to be kept intact.
I hope Seattle and Houston say FU your playing here. STFU and win games.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2021 10:14:58 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, especially when they can get either traded without warning or get released in the middle of a contract. No one bitches when the team makes a move that they seem is better for them and/or their salary cap. Why complain when the player does what is in their mind best for them?
I hope that you all aren't gullible enough to not see what these teams do. Whenever a player professionally requests a trade to the front office, the team starts to leak things about the player. Gullible fans take the bait every time and take the side of the billionaire owner.
Anyways, Wilson didn't even request a trade and look at all of the drama that has gone down. Beware and be aware, people.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 26, 2021 10:17:09 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, especially when they can get either traded without warning or get released in the middle of a contract. No one bitches when the team makes a move that they seem is better for them and/or their salary cap. Why complain when the player does what is in their mind best for them? I hope that you all aren't gullible enough to not see what these teams do. Whenever a player professionally requests a trade to the front office, the team starts to leak things about the player. Gullible fans take the bait every time and take the side of the billionaire owner. Anyways, Wilson didn't even request a trade and look at all of the drama that has gone down. Beware and be aware, people. Let's be honest here...Agents put out more propaganda than teams do.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2021 10:23:12 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, especially when they can get either traded without warning or get released in the middle of a contract. No one bitches when the team makes a move that they seem is better for them and/or their salary cap. Why complain when the player does what is in their mind best for them? I hope that you all aren't gullible enough to not see what these teams do. Whenever a player professionally requests a trade to the front office, the team starts to leak things about the player. Gullible fans take the bait every time and take the side of the billionaire owner. Anyways, Wilson didn't even request a trade and look at all of the drama that has gone down. Beware and be aware, people. Let's be honest here...Agents put out more propaganda than teams do. I don't think that is true when it comes to player trade demands.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 26, 2021 10:23:57 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, especially when they can get either traded without warning or get released in the middle of a contract. No one bitches when the team makes a move that they seem is better for them and/or their salary cap. Why complain when the player does what is in their mind best for them? I hope that you all aren't gullible enough to not see what these teams do. Whenever a player professionally requests a trade to the front office, the team starts to leak things about the player. Gullible fans take the bait every time and take the side of the billionaire owner. Anyways, Wilson didn't even request a trade and look at all of the drama that has gone down. Beware and be aware, people. I agree with this. At the end of the day I don't care whose money is being spent or wasted, whose happy or not or who doesn't getting along with who. I just want to see some good football games when the season starts.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 26, 2021 10:49:41 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 26, 2021 11:02:27 GMT -5
I this team is in the best hands since TC was forced into retirement.
I'm optimistic having Joe Judge running this team. I'm happy with Graham running our defense. I'm happy with McGaughey as our ST coordinator, but he obviously has to answer for the 2nd half of the season decline. And I think most will agree that the jury is still out on Garrett. But let's give him Saquon and some playmakers at WR before we replace him. But that aside, I'm happy as hell to not have a WCO OC.
I'm sorry Rosie...But I can't conger up the words "I'm happy" when thinking about a single damned thing regarding my team.
Until they prove otherwise, we're a tired franchise, stuck in the past, obsessed with continuity....all in a rapidly changing NFL. Can Joe pull us out of it? I certainly hope so. But the last 9 years has stripped any benefit of the doubt for me.
They have to earn it to get my confidence.....and they haven't come close to doing that yet. They haven't earned a damned thing.
I respect your position after so many years of lousy football, but I sense Judge is the right man to turn this team around. I see the philosophical similarities of Judge to Bill Parcells while they are delivered in more articulate fashion. When is the last time you heard our HC placing the onus on his staff to help our players in such a manner?
Last year I saw a better football team which is obviously still a work in progress. I couldn't help think about 1983-84 as I was watching this team. And I get it, it's not enough. But the question I'd ask you is coming off Judge's first season with the challenges of the pandemic, and the talent they fielded, did you really expect much more from the Giants?
Your other point is to paint us as a tired old franchise, and to that I would remind you that the "tired" and more balanced offensive attack with an immobile QB defeated Andy Reid's and John McVay's modernistic offenses to win the Super Bowl. Even a hobbled Peyton Manning, who let's face it, had absolutely no arm was able to beat the MVP of the entire league in 2015. The jury is still out on the "modern" game as far as I'm concerned. The NFL has a way of taking a mobile QB's game away from him. It's only a matter of time.
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Post by Nick6475 on Feb 26, 2021 11:26:54 GMT -5
I don't get this hate of Watson's ask to be involved in managerial decisions. He is the face of the franchise and plays the most important position in the NFL. I would consider it poor management if they didn't ask for his opinion because he is the one who has to go out there and play for this guy. If they don't agree on things then that is not going to be a successful team.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 26, 2021 11:29:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that Why not? If you them paid enough to be the face of the franchise and the leader of the team, what's wrong in listening to suggestions? I not agreeing or disagreeing with you just curious on the reasoning.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2021 11:30:07 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that The team should not have told him that he would have any say in the matter. Whenever trust is lost, pretty much all is lost. That's how all relationships are whether they are personal or professional.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 26, 2021 11:35:06 GMT -5
All this talk of fans being ok with losing is bullshit. No one wants their team to lose, but what is the alternative. Only one I see is to switch teams. Take a poll here. You'll find a majority are happy with the direction of the team.
I say 15 wins in 3 years is horrific. Really, it's 18 wins in 4 years. There are no excuses. Yet fans will offer up a number of them.
Nobody is happy with the losing. Outside of switching teams one can only hope that this new coaching staff can turn it around.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 11:40:12 GMT -5
Honestly, if the Cowboys got Wilson, and their OL got healthy again, along with Elliot, Cooper, Lamb and Gallup...
That would be a phenomenal offense.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 26, 2021 11:41:29 GMT -5
All this talk of fans being ok with losing is bullshit. No one wants their team to lose, but what is the alternative. Only one I see is to switch teams. By the way I will never switch teams because of losing. I’ve been a NY Giants fan since 1958.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 26, 2021 12:32:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry Rosie...But I can't conger up the words "I'm happy" when thinking about a single damned thing regarding my team.
Until they prove otherwise, we're a tired franchise, stuck in the past, obsessed with continuity....all in a rapidly changing NFL. Can Joe pull us out of it? I certainly hope so. But the last 9 years has stripped any benefit of the doubt for me.
They have to earn it to get my confidence.....and they haven't come close to doing that yet. They haven't earned a damned thing.
I respect your position after so many years of lousy football, but I sense Judge is the right man to turn this team around. I see the philosophical similarities of Judge to Bill Parcells while they are delivered in more articulate fashion. When is the last time you heard our HC placing the onus on his staff to help our players in such a manner?
Last year I saw a better football team which is obviously still a work in progress. I couldn't help think about 1983-84 as I was watching this team. And I get it, it's not enough. But the question I'd ask you is coming off Judge's first season with the challenges of the pandemic, and the talent they fielded, did you really expect much more from the Giants?
Your other point is to paint us as a tired old franchise, and to that I would remind you that the "tired" and more balanced offensive attack with an immobile QB defeated Andy Reid's and John McVay's modernistic offenses to win the Super Bowl. Even a hobbled Peyton Manning, who let's face it, had absolutely no arm was able to beat the MVP of the entire league in 2015. The jury is still out on the "modern" game as far as I'm concerned. The NFL has a way of taking a mobile QB's game away from him. It's only a matter of time.
I never said anything about having to have a mobile QB. There are a lot of changes that we haven't kept up with that don't involve a running QB.
The rule changes favor the passing game. Defenders are far more athletic than they used to be. DC's are rotating guys in and out more than they used to....so defenses have more fresh legs.
The running game is now far more successful with multiple backs sharing carries. Big plays are much more a factor than they used to be.
Just a few changes.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 26, 2021 13:44:14 GMT -5
I respect your position after so many years of lousy football, but I sense Judge is the right man to turn this team around. I see the philosophical similarities of Judge to Bill Parcells while they are delivered in more articulate fashion. When is the last time you heard our HC placing the onus on his staff to help our players in such a manner?
Last year I saw a better football team which is obviously still a work in progress. I couldn't help think about 1983-84 as I was watching this team. And I get it, it's not enough. But the question I'd ask you is coming off Judge's first season with the challenges of the pandemic, and the talent they fielded, did you really expect much more from the Giants?
Your other point is to paint us as a tired old franchise, and to that I would remind you that the "tired" and more balanced offensive attack with an immobile QB defeated Andy Reid's and John McVay's modernistic offenses to win the Super Bowl. Even a hobbled Peyton Manning, who let's face it, had absolutely no arm was able to beat the MVP of the entire league in 2015. The jury is still out on the "modern" game as far as I'm concerned. The NFL has a way of taking a mobile QB's game away from him. It's only a matter of time.
I never said anything about having to have a mobile QB. There are a lot of changes that we haven't kept up with that don't involve a running QB.
The rule changes favor the passing game. Defenders are far more athletic than they used to be. DC's are rotating guys in and out more than they used to....so defenses have more fresh legs.
The running game is now far more successful with multiple backs sharing carries. Big plays are much more a factor than they used to be.
Just a few changes.
I don't see most of those things as modern since they've been used for years by the Giants among others, to varying degrees of success. The bottom line is you must have the talent, and that's where our FO has failed us for far too long, and most of that falls on John Mara for keeping Jerry Reese and Marc Ross in charge for as long as he did.
Remember the 2015 (?) season when McAdoo shuffled 4 RB's in and out of the games which was a complete disaster? IMO, the best teams get the most out of their talent and cultivate a positive culture. In 2017 we saw the culture of a Ben McAdoo coached team after JR brought in high-priced free agents.
The difference between you and I is I now can see the start of something positive, whereas you don't. I think this season will be huge to determine who's right and who's wrong. The one thing I know is that we both hope it's me.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 26, 2021 16:52:12 GMT -5
requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that Why not? If you them paid enough to be the face of the franchise and the leader of the team, what's wrong in listening to suggestions? I not agreeing or disagreeing with you just curious on the reasoning. every organization has a hierarchy and flow chart. Keep the players out of that part/level of the decision making process. Just my opinion. They listen to the players and ask their opinions s either way but keep business casual.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 26, 2021 16:54:45 GMT -5
While it was reported that Wilson has not requested a trade (yet) I dont understand what the point is in listing off what teams you would like to be traded to.
Its like telling your wife I dont want a divorce (yet) but here are a list of women I would sleep with after you. Probably creates more drama than had you kept that to yourself.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 26, 2021 17:00:29 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that Amen..
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 26, 2021 17:05:59 GMT -5
I don't get this hate of Watson's ask to be involved in managerial decisions. He is the face of the franchise and plays the most important position in the NFL. I would consider it poor management if they didn't ask for his opinion because he is the one who has to go out there and play for this guy. If they don't agree on things then that is not going to be a successful team. Watson is an employee and should have no say in how the franchise is run, he should play his best and take his paycheck and leave the managing to the managers..
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Post by SG88 on Feb 26, 2021 21:30:59 GMT -5
I don't get this hate of Watson's ask to be involved in managerial decisions. He is the face of the franchise and plays the most important position in the NFL. I would consider it poor management if they didn't ask for his opinion because he is the one who has to go out there and play for this guy. If they don't agree on things then that is not going to be a successful team. Watson is an employee and should have no say in how the franchise is run, he should play his best and take his paycheck and leave the managing to the managers.. Then tell the managers to not say that he will have say in the matter. Again, the trust in that relationship is shot because the Texans basically lied to him.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 27, 2021 7:33:58 GMT -5
Watson is an employee and should have no say in how the franchise is run, he should play his best and take his paycheck and leave the managing to the managers.. Then tell the managers to not say that he will have say in the matter. Again, the trust in that relationship is shot because the Texans basically lied to him. how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 27, 2021 9:39:11 GMT -5
Then tell the managers to not say that he will have say in the matter. Again, the trust in that relationship is shot because the Texans basically lied to him. how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way I thought his beef was that they told him they would ask for his opinions, but then failed to do so at all (personally, I think he already wanted out, and this is just a convenient excuse, or straw that broke his back kind of thing, not that big a deal as an isolated incident)
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Post by SG88 on Feb 27, 2021 10:07:10 GMT -5
Then tell the managers to not say that he will have say in the matter. Again, the trust in that relationship is shot because the Texans basically lied to him. how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 27, 2021 10:11:56 GMT -5
how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way I thought his beef was that they told him they would ask for his opinions, but then failed to do so at all (personally, I think he already wanted out, and this is just a convenient excuse, or straw that broke his back kind of thing, not that big a deal as an isolated incident) there are articles out there saying they spoke with him about his ideas/opinions. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30364710/houston-texans-ceo-cal-mcnair-asked-deshaun-watson-opinion-team-head-coach-gm-search
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