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Post by GameTime on Feb 27, 2021 10:16:55 GMT -5
how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. not sure about GM but Watson was polled for other opinions. Houston Texans CEO Cal McNair still is contemplating what direction he wants to take his franchise with its head coach and general manager openings and has solicited many opinions, including those of quarterback Deshaun Watson.
McNair told ESPN this past week that he recently had dinner with Watson, and the direction of the Texans' franchise came up during their conversation. McNair wanted to hear Watson's thoughts and opinions on who should be the next head coach, and Watson shared his opinions with McNair
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30364710/houston-texans-ceo-cal-mcnair-asked-deshaun-watson-opinion-team-head-coach-gm-search
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 27, 2021 11:44:40 GMT -5
Watson is an employee and should have no say in how the franchise is run, he should play his best and take his paycheck and leave the managing to the managers.. Then tell the managers to not say that he will have say in the matter. Again, the trust in that relationship is shot because the Texans basically lied to him. this whole situation is a lesson in mismanagement and how not to do it..
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 27, 2021 11:47:38 GMT -5
how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. the mistake by the Texans organization is asking an employee who they should hire as a GM, that smacks of incompetence right there..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 27, 2021 11:58:55 GMT -5
IMO: This will affect the amount of up front money (signing bonus) players get. Just take Watson 29 million in signing bonus in September. Wants to be traded . If he does the team eats it in dead cap. Now Willison 65 million signing bonus .If traded 39 in dead cap. I do not see owners allowing this fleecing of dead cap money to continue. It is either going to be a small singing bonus or pay back remainder of signing bonus clause in contracts for trade requests. I like this, I like this a lot. If traded the money divided into the years not played returned to the team. This could cause a strike for the league in negotiations but to me this is well worth the fight. In return you can only franchise a player for 1 year and every player gets 50% of his first 3 years on a contract guaranteed. Just off the top of my head. Maybe a little fairness all around could work in good faith...... Nah ! Not a chance.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 27, 2021 12:16:00 GMT -5
how did they lie? He was asked his opinion but they didnt use any of his suggestions? I think Houston is messed up and he wanted out any way They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. He does get paid $35 million per year to play QB. A lot of these QB's that get paid such big money and then complain there isn't enough other players to win the championships that everybody desires seems totally clueless in deciphering what is happening. Now I understand not everyone is going to give up money like Tom Brady did so the team can sign more good players. Not everyone's wife is a half a billionaire plus in her personal wealth and her companies are actually worth billions with a "B". But Ben has now dropped the unrealistic amount on the cap of 41 million to probably play for his guaranteed 19 million in 2021. Older QB's who have already made years of 20+ million per can afford to do this. Haven't heard anything from Wilson about taking a pay cut to help the team sign players. Guess extending is out of the question. QB's want their cake and to eat it too. None for anybody else. With the cap say 200 mil this year and a QB making 35 mil that's almost 20% of the cap. The other 44 or so split up the 80%.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 27, 2021 12:16:07 GMT -5
They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. the mistake by the Texans organization is asking an employee who they should hire as a GM, that smacks of incompetence right there.. Absolutely true IMO. I agree that an employee should not have any say in who the organization hires to make personnel decisions. You open up pandora's box when you tell the employees that they will have say. When you fail to deliver on that promise, it makes you look untrustworthy.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 27, 2021 12:17:55 GMT -5
They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. He does get paid $35 million per year to play QB. A lot of these QB's that get paid such big money and then complain there isn't enough other players to win the championships that everybody desires seems totally clueless in deciphering what is happening. Now I understand not everyone is going to give up money like Tom Brady did so the team can sign more good players. Not everyone's wife is a half a billionaire plus in her personal wealth and her companies are actually worth billions with a "B". But Ben has now dropped the unrealistic amount on the cap of 41 million to probably play for his guaranteed 19 million in 2021. Older QB's who have already made years of 20+ million per can afford to do this. Haven't heard anything from Wilson about taking a pay cut to help the team sign players. Guess extending is out of the question. QB's want their cake and to eat it too. None for anybody else. With the cap say 200 mil this year and a QB making 35 mil that's almost 20% of the cap. The other 44 or so split up the 80%. Again, this is about trust and not the amount of money that he makes. He simply held them to their word and they failed to deliver. I seriously don't know how a lot of you aren't getting the basis of his issue with the ownership group. Why should a player take a paycut? Would you take a paycut to ensure that other employees get paid? Again, I ask that we hold ourselves to standards that we hold others to. No one seems to ever want to do that here. Anyways, the issue with Watson and Houston is trust. Nothing more or less.
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Post by jay051 on Feb 27, 2021 12:49:44 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with a player requesting a trade, requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that True but that's not the whole story with D. Watson. That Hou situation is just a freaking mess.
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Post by jay051 on Feb 27, 2021 12:52:23 GMT -5
They lied because they went against their word. They told him that they would ask for his feedback on their next GM hire. They hired a GM without asking him for his feedback. If that isn't a lie, I don't know what is. IMO, he wants out because he does not trust the people in charge there. I personally wouldn't work for an organization that I don't trust either. I always try to put myself in another person's shoes. Some people in this thread complaining about the player having the audacity to look out for themselves should try that concept and ask "Would I work for a company that I don't trust?" If the answer is yes, then I get why you're disappointed in Watson. If the answer is no, then that person is simply being a hypocrite. the mistake by the Texans organization is asking an employee who they should hire as a GM, that smacks of incompetence right there.. And that's where all the problems started. They shouldn't have involved Watson from the start. Huge lesson for every organization moving forward. They also need to stop giving these players the no trade clause as well.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 27, 2021 13:16:51 GMT -5
I this team is in the best hands since TC was forced into retirement.
I'm optimistic having Joe Judge running this team. I'm happy with Graham running our defense. I'm happy with McGaughey as our ST coordinator, but he obviously has to answer for the 2nd half of the season decline. And I think most will agree that the jury is still out on Garrett. But let's give him Saquon and some playmakers at WR before we replace him. But that aside, I'm happy as hell to not have a WCO OC.
I'm sorry Rosie...But I can't conger up the words "I'm happy" when thinking about a single damned thing regarding my team.
Until they prove otherwise, we're a tired franchise, stuck in the past, obsessed with continuity....all in a rapidly changing NFL. Can Joe pull us out of it? I certainly hope so. But the last 9 years has stripped any benefit of the doubt for me.
They have to earn it to get my confidence.....and they haven't come close to doing that yet. They haven't earned a damned thing.
You can't "a large predatory eel" up the words "I'm happy"? But yea agreed to your point. There's nothing in my mind that makes it a guarantee that we'll even be a better team next year.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 27, 2021 15:40:46 GMT -5
requesting a trade is fine. Requesting it because you have no say in who the coaches/GM etc will be should not be tolerated. Cant have that True but that's not the whole story with D. Watson. That Hou situation is just a freaking mess. Yep.....and in Houston McNair did listen to DWs ideas about coaches. They just didn’t use any of his suggestions. Houston was a mess prior when they offed Hopkins
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 27, 2021 16:28:17 GMT -5
the mistake by the Texans organization is asking an employee who they should hire as a GM, that smacks of incompetence right there.. And that's where all the problems started. They shouldn't have involved Watson from the start. Huge lesson for every organization moving forward. They also need to stop giving these players the no trade clause as well. absolutely agree with you.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 27, 2021 20:02:05 GMT -5
gotcha, thanks for posting, I was simply too lazy to google it myself...
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Post by Nite on Feb 28, 2021 19:32:05 GMT -5
He does get paid $35 million per year to play QB. A lot of these QB's that get paid such big money and then complain there isn't enough other players to win the championships that everybody desires seems totally clueless in deciphering what is happening. Now I understand not everyone is going to give up money like Tom Brady did so the team can sign more good players. Not everyone's wife is a half a billionaire plus in her personal wealth and her companies are actually worth billions with a "B". But Ben has now dropped the unrealistic amount on the cap of 41 million to probably play for his guaranteed 19 million in 2021. Older QB's who have already made years of 20+ million per can afford to do this. Haven't heard anything from Wilson about taking a pay cut to help the team sign players. Guess extending is out of the question. QB's want their cake and to eat it too. None for anybody else. With the cap say 200 mil this year and a QB making 35 mil that's almost 20% of the cap. The other 44 or so split up the 80%. Again, this is about trust and not the amount of money that he makes. He simply held them to their word and they failed to deliver. I seriously don't know how a lot of you aren't getting the basis of his issue with the ownership group. Why should a player take a paycut? Would you take a paycut to ensure that other employees get paid? Again, I ask that we hold ourselves to standards that we hold others to. No one seems to ever want to do that here. Anyways, the issue with Watson and Houston is trust. Nothing more or less. You are talking about professional sports players as if they are normal people making normal salaries. They are not. Fascinating to me why some feel a kinship with these spoiled rich pampered athletes who they have nothing in common with. And many of these 'professionals' have contempt for the people who ultimately pay their salaries (same ones who defend them so vigorously).
Many athletes are short sighted, don't even see the big picture. Taking a small paycut to enable your team to sign players to get your team to the next level doesn't even cross their minds. They would rather demand ridiculous stupid money contracts, get that contract and be released the following year...
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Post by SG88 on Feb 28, 2021 20:17:06 GMT -5
Again, this is about trust and not the amount of money that he makes. He simply held them to their word and they failed to deliver. I seriously don't know how a lot of you aren't getting the basis of his issue with the ownership group. Why should a player take a paycut? Would you take a paycut to ensure that other employees get paid? Again, I ask that we hold ourselves to standards that we hold others to. No one seems to ever want to do that here. Anyways, the issue with Watson and Houston is trust. Nothing more or less. You are talking about professional sports players as if they are normal people making normal salaries. They are not. Fascinating to me why some feel a kinship with these spoiled rich pampered athletes who they have nothing in common with. And many of these 'professionals' have contempt for the people who ultimately pay their salaries (same ones who defend them so vigorously).
Many athletes are short sighted, don't even see the big picture. Taking a small paycut to enable your team to sign players to get your team to the next level doesn't even cross their minds. They would rather demand ridiculous stupid money contracts, get that contract and be released the following year... They aren't making normal salaries, but the basic concepts are the same. They are employees in a workstation and the owners are the employers. Would you take a paycut to bring in help to your workstation or to increase its performance? I doubt that the answer is yes. I certainly would not, so I would never ask another person to. Your stance is a real easy one to take since it isn't your money in play. Are you willing to hold yourself to the standards that you are holding these athletes to? I don't think that you are.
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Post by Nite on Mar 1, 2021 2:35:21 GMT -5
They aren't making normal salaries, but the basic concepts are the same. They are employees in a workstation and the owners are the employers. Would you take a paycut to bring in help to your workstation or to increase its performance? I doubt that the answer is yes. I certainly would not, so I would never ask another person to. Your stance is a real easy one to take since it isn't your money in play. Are you willing to hold yourself to the standards that you are holding these athletes to? I don't think that you are. Are u kidding me? Apples to Leopards ...
Average pro player salaries is at least 100x to average working US salary..Its not even in the same universe. Nothing is comparable. Thats not including endorsement deals.. And it is my money since I watch the stupid commercials and pay (for some) of the stupid products..at least I don't go to the stupid stadium and pay the stupid price for tickets and eat stupid crappy dogs and drink the (stupid) crappy (overpriced) beer.. If these athletic imbeciles have even a modicum of common financial sense they would be financially set for life..
You give me half the ****ing salary that these lottery winners get, to do what I do I would not ****ing complain at all. Might even take a couple of blindside hits just to shake me up occasionally
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