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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 17:54:53 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out.
At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there).
We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB.
In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick.
How would you guys feel about this strategy?
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 26, 2021 18:04:44 GMT -5
I dont believe the Giants would be getting that 1st for DJ at that point. Pretty much around the league, DJ was a reach at 6. He has had to prove he was worth that #6 overall and hasnt done so yet.
Maybe they'd get a second. Thats what the Patriots got for Jimmy G who had less games under his belt and needed a contract.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2021 18:08:15 GMT -5
Next 15 years?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 26, 2021 18:17:37 GMT -5
It would just create a bigger mess.
Who the heck is giving up anything for Jones ? He was last in TD passes with Newton. Hasn't been able to stay healthy. And we'd have to move up to get a QB. So we would lose at least our 2nd this year and our 1st next year at a minimum.
Lets build this team plus who the hell knows what we got in Jones ? Personally I think we blew the 6th pick in picking Jones but we have to give him at least this year if not next year as well. You gotta give a 1st rd pick for a QB a chance to succeed.
Jones deserves a chance this year with a couple weapons that can help him succeed.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 18:21:37 GMT -5
Judge has consistently voiced his support for Jones, there is no chance of this happening.
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Post by hadenough on Feb 26, 2021 18:24:14 GMT -5
I don’t love the QBs in the draft. I think it would still give us a sub par QB and a later 1st round pick then what we have now. I wouldn’t be in favor of this.
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 26, 2021 18:25:39 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there).  We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? It's not happening, but I would imagine it would depend on who the QB was at 11. And in your scenario the 1st round pick is for this year?
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 18:28:49 GMT -5
Since when is less than 2 seasons a determination of capability of QB that initiates the drafting of another at top of the draft QB?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 18:36:09 GMT -5
My first reaction would be that he is a hell of a bullshitter lol he talks about Jones like he is top dog. + Mel kiper would be pissed he told Joe once Jones was and is a better prospect then all but one this draft has to offer and that one being Lawrence. On a serious note it would be shocking being Judge has a love fest going with Jones.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2021 18:57:22 GMT -5
Since when is less than 2 seasons a determination of capability of QB that initiates the drafting of another at top of the draft QB? I’ll take Arizona for $500 Who is Kyler Murray?
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 19:00:28 GMT -5
Since when is less than 2 seasons a determination of capability of QB that initiates the drafting of another at top of the draft QB? I’ll take Arizona for $500 Who is Kyler Murray? So one team did it now it is an NFL standard? If you say so.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 19:10:06 GMT -5
I dont believe the Giants would be getting that 1st for DJ at that point. Pretty much around the league, DJ was a reach at 6. He has had to prove he was worth that #6 overall and hasnt done so yet. Maybe they'd get a second. Thats what the Patriots got for Jimmy G who had less games under his belt and needed a contract. Scouts thought much differently about Jones then the talking heads did most liked him a lot, he was the best QB left when we picked and I'm not sold on Murray either he has a top 3 WR and a savy vet some young talent also a solid RB still only won 2 more games then the Giants this year, I say give Jones a chance, for a board that fell head over heels for Davis Webb who couldn't carry Jones Jock strap tells all we need to know LOL.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 19:15:50 GMT -5
I’ll take Arizona for $500 Who is Kyler Murray? So one team did it now it is an NFL standard? If you say so. Jones is a better prospect the Rosen #1 #2 The Cardinals are not looking so good they gave Murray top 3 WR he had Fitz who is a great vet to have around a kid they have a good RB and some young talent in the WR room he won 2 more games then the Giants while being in the same system and same coach. so they blew a top 5 pick on Rosen then still might not have it right Murray has a lot more around him and didn't get it done even with a stable situation.
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 26, 2021 19:18:15 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? Not even the slightest problem with it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 19:22:07 GMT -5
All very valid points.
I was just throwing out a hypothetical, not saying it would happen.
I do think Judge wants his own QB at some point though but don't see this happening at pick 11.
As for DJs value, I agree. I'm not sure right now anyone gives up a 1st, but a 2nd is possible. He showed in his rookie year to have talent. Some other GM who liked him in 2019 could offer a 2nd?
Mainly just wanted to know reactions to if it did happen.
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Post by SemperFi on Feb 26, 2021 19:24:26 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? I feel that Judge would have to be exorcised!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 19:35:12 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? In the end who is to complain if the coach wants a different QB he has to coach him and win with him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 19:37:30 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? I feel that Judge would have to be exorcised! Jones seems to have Judge mesmerized lol. As I said unless he has a hell of a poker face Judge seems to love this kid as his QB.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2021 19:37:59 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? I feel that Judge would have to be exorcised! Agreed. After he’s been praising Jones the whole year the only explanation is he’s possessed by demonic forces.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 26, 2021 19:38:46 GMT -5
I dont believe the Giants would be getting that 1st for DJ at that point. Pretty much around the league, DJ was a reach at 6. He has had to prove he was worth that #6 overall and hasnt done so yet. Maybe they'd get a second. Thats what the Patriots got for Jimmy G who had less games under his belt and needed a contract. Scouts thought much differently about Jones then the talking heads did most liked him a lot, he was the best QB left when we picked and I'm not sold on Murray either he has a top 3 WR and a savy vet some young talent also a solid RB still only won 2 more games then the Giants this year, I say give Jones a chance, for a board that fell head over heels for Davis Webb who couldn't carry Jones Jock strap tells all we need to know LOL. No doubt in my mind more teams liked Jones than people lead on, especially the two that took QBs after the Giants did. Washington and Denver both want and need an upgrade at the QB position. But as it is, he hasnt proven himself just yet. Obviously you give him this season but I think if Jones and this Giants offense struggles this coming season, Jones- Garrett- Gettleman are all gone. I still believe if we can keep DJ upright and get him some capable pass catchers (also guys that dont drop crucial passes on the regular) then he can be a dynamic QB in this league. But only time will tell.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 19:41:38 GMT -5
I feel that Judge would have to be exorcised! Agreed. After he’s been praising Jones the whole year the only explanation is he’s possessed by demonic forces. I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right?
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 19:43:26 GMT -5
Agreed. After he’s been praising Jones the whole year the only explanation is he’s possessed by demonic forces. I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right? How do you know he doesn't ?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 19:44:24 GMT -5
I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right? How do you know he doesn't ? I don't. But whether he likes him or not, he wasn't going to let us know.
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 19:45:57 GMT -5
How do you know he doesn't ? I don't. But whether he likes him or not, he wasn't going to let us know. I think he has made his opinion of the QB quite clear.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 19:45:58 GMT -5
Agreed. After he’s been praising Jones the whole year the only explanation is he’s possessed by demonic forces. I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right? If you listen to how the Giants talk about Jones, compared to how the Jets talk about Darnold, there is a clear difference.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2021 19:52:13 GMT -5
Agreed. After he’s been praising Jones the whole year the only explanation is he’s possessed by demonic forces. I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right? NFL head coaches are like politicians. Even when they’re honest they’re lying.. I’m sure Judge likes Jones. I mean what’s there not to like? Besides the turnovers, injuries, and poor play?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 26, 2021 19:57:23 GMT -5
Unless it's Spicoli or Wilson that he'd be taking, I'd be not pleased, and no chance either of those 2 get out of top 5. I don't think any of the other prospects are sure thing better, and would rather give DJ his third year, than roll with a rookie. If some photo of Wilson doing a bong hit comes out, and miraculously falls to us, I'd understand the pick...
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Post by GameTime on Feb 26, 2021 19:59:26 GMT -5
It would be an impulsive slightly unorthodox move. At the very least its tacking another 2 to 3 years on the potential success and playoff possibilities.
IMO a dumb move at this time.
Have a deal set with the FO if Jones doesnt work out then give me a shot with a QB I am involved in drafting.
2022.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2021 20:03:23 GMT -5
I’ll take Arizona for $500 Who is Kyler Murray? So one team did it now it is an NFL standard? If you say so. you asked since when. I gave you the answer. If you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question. Especially when it happened just recently. cheers
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 20:14:41 GMT -5
So one team did it now it is an NFL standard? If you say so. you asked since when. I gave you the answer. If you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question. Especially when it happened just recently. cheers So you are saying it is a new standard . If you say so.
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