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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 26, 2021 20:24:37 GMT -5
I dont believe the Giants would be getting that 1st for DJ at that point. Pretty much around the league, DJ was a reach at 6. He has had to prove he was worth that #6 overall and hasnt done so yet. Maybe they'd get a second. Thats what the Patriots got for Jimmy G who had less games under his belt and needed a contract. I am fine with it. If Judge thinks there is a QB in the first round that will make the Giants a perennial contender go for it. It his team his vision. If he misses we can still blame DG.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 26, 2021 20:27:36 GMT -5
I think that Judge is sincere when he says that Jones is his guy.
Hope he’s right
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:29:30 GMT -5
I don't. But whether he likes him or not, he wasn't going to let us know. I think he has made his opinion of the QB quite clear. If he didn't like Jones as the QB what do you think he would say?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:30:17 GMT -5
I mean, he isn't going to say he doesn't like him right? If you listen to how the Giants talk about Jones, compared to how the Jets talk about Darnold, there is a clear difference. It's the Jets... though. Thats why they are the Jets.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2021 20:33:25 GMT -5
you asked since when. I gave you the answer. If you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question. Especially when it happened just recently. cheers So you are saying it is a new standard . If you say so. you’re saying that, not me. You asked since when it was a determination while that determination happened a short time ago. Now you’re moving the goal posts and claiming a standard. I never said that. B.T.W - if Miami makes a change that since when determination will happen again. It that a standard? No, it’s since when.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 26, 2021 20:35:15 GMT -5
I think that Judge is sincere when he says that Jones is his guy. Hope he’s right Year three is a huge one.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 20:38:39 GMT -5
If you listen to how the Giants talk about Jones, compared to how the Jets talk about Darnold, there is a clear difference. It's the Jets... though. Thats why they are the Jets. It's not just the Jets. Any team that is not sold on their QB will speak vaguely like they have about Darnold. You won't say things like "Daniel Jones absolutely is our QB moving forward" if you have every intention of replacing them.
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 20:39:30 GMT -5
I think he has made his opinion of the QB quite clear. If he didn't like Jones as the QB what do you think he would say? The Jets have no problem with showing lack of faith in Sam. The Bears have no problem showing Mitch what they think of him. Philly showed what they thought of Wentz. So what makes you think the Giants (Judge) would not do the same. Are you suggesting he is in fear of speaking his mind?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:41:31 GMT -5
It's the Jets... though. Thats why they are the Jets. Any team that is not sold on their QB will speak vaguely like the Jets have about Darnold. You won't say things like "Daniel Jones absolutely is our QB moving forward" if you have every intention of replacing them. "We didn't sign him just to trade him". Dave Gettleman on Odell
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:43:05 GMT -5
If he didn't like Jones as the QB what do you think he would say? The Jets have no problem with showing lack of faith in Sam. The Bears have no problem showing Mitch what they think of him. Philly showed what they thought of Wentz. So what makes you think the Giants (Judge) would not do the same. Are you suggesting he is in fear of speaking his mind? The Eagles certainly didn't have anything bad to say about Wentz at all until they drafted Hurtz. And the Jets are a bad organization and ruin all QBs. I always say that. Mitch has been in the league how long?
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 20:45:24 GMT -5
Any team that is not sold on their QB will speak vaguely like the Jets have about Darnold. You won't say things like "Daniel Jones absolutely is our QB moving forward" if you have every intention of replacing them. "We didn't sign him just to trade him". Dave Gettleman on Odell Completely different situation. That quote came before the player went out and blasted the team in a very publicized interview.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:47:36 GMT -5
"We didn't sign him just to trade him". Dave Gettleman on Odell Completely different situation. That quote came before the player went out and blasted the team in a very publicized interview. Odell was an issue well before that quote. My point being, don't believe the words these guys say in public. Again, I'm not saying he doesn't feel that way, but if he felt the opposite he would still give him praise.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 20:52:45 GMT -5
Scouts thought much differently about Jones then the talking heads did most liked him a lot, he was the best QB left when we picked and I'm not sold on Murray either he has a top 3 WR and a savy vet some young talent also a solid RB still only won 2 more games then the Giants this year, I say give Jones a chance, for a board that fell head over heels for Davis Webb who couldn't carry Jones Jock strap tells all we need to know LOL. No doubt in my mind more teams liked Jones than people lead on, especially the two that took QBs after the Giants did. Washington and Denver both want and need an upgrade at the QB position. But as it is, he hasnt proven himself just yet. Obviously you give him this season but I think if Jones and this Giants offense struggles this coming season, Jones- Garrett- Gettleman are all gone. I still believe if we can keep DJ upright and get him some capable pass catchers (also guys that dont drop crucial passes on the regular) then he can be a dynamic QB in this league. But only time will tell. Agree 100% he was 2 or 3 drops away from 7-9 8-8 and the play offs if they block a little better more consistency is more like it and get some dependable pass catchers this team should be able to get it going.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 26, 2021 20:54:00 GMT -5
"We didn't sign him just to trade him". Dave Gettleman on Odell Completely different situation. That quote came before the player went out and blasted the team in a very publicized interview. False
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 20:55:19 GMT -5
The Jets have no problem with showing lack of faith in Sam. The Bears have no problem showing Mitch what they think of him. Philly showed what they thought of Wentz. So what makes you think the Giants (Judge) would not do the same. Are you suggesting he is in fear of speaking his mind? The Eagles certainly didn't have anything bad to say about Wentz at all until they drafted Hurtz. And the Jets are a bad organization and ruin all QBs. I always say that. Mitch has been in the league how long? Exactly. And after they drafted Hurtz, they never completely committed to Wentz as their starter again.
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 20:55:52 GMT -5
The Jets have no problem with showing lack of faith in Sam. The Bears have no problem showing Mitch what they think of him. Philly showed what they thought of Wentz. So what makes you think the Giants (Judge) would not do the same. Are you suggesting he is in fear of speaking his mind? The Eagles certainly didn't have anything bad to say about Wentz at all until they drafted Hurtz. And the Jets are a bad organization and ruin all QBs. I always say that. Mitch has been in the league how long? I do not get your point. I think it is. At least it sounds like Judge has no backbone. That is so not what he is.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:57:22 GMT -5
The Eagles certainly didn't have anything bad to say about Wentz at all until they drafted Hurtz. And the Jets are a bad organization and ruin all QBs. I always say that. Mitch has been in the league how long? Exactly. And after they drafted Hurtz, they never completely committed to Wentz as their starter again. Point being, they never publicly trashed Wentz prior. Not once. That said, every player is different for sure. Wentz apparently isn't as teammate friendly as Jones from what I hear.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 20:58:20 GMT -5
The Eagles certainly didn't have anything bad to say about Wentz at all until they drafted Hurtz. And the Jets are a bad organization and ruin all QBs. I always say that. Mitch has been in the league how long? I do not get your point. I think it is. At least it sounds like Judge has no backbone. That is so not what he is. What I'm saying is, Judge in his rookie coaching year, isn't going to say negative things about his QB, whether he is thinking it or not. He is smart that way.
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 21:00:43 GMT -5
I do not get your point. I think it is. At least it sounds like Judge has no backbone. That is so not what he is. What I'm saying is, Judge in his rookie coaching year, isn't going to say negative things about his QB, whether he is thinking it or not. He is smart that way. I completely disagree .Judge has a set, and he speaks his mind and has no problem in doing so.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 21:04:28 GMT -5
Completely different situation. That quote came before the player went out and blasted the team in a very publicized interview. False Correct, I had my timetables wrong. But that was still a non-football decision based on many instances. And it was Gettleman, not the coach.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 21:06:35 GMT -5
Exactly. And after they drafted Hurtz, they never completely committed to Wentz as their starter again. Point being, they never publicly trashed Wentz prior. Not once. That said, every player is different for sure. Wentz apparently isn't as teammate friendly as Jones from what I hear. The Jets never trashed Darnold either, they just never publicly committed to him. You can heap a ton of praise on a QB without saying he's your future.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 21:06:45 GMT -5
Completely different situation. That quote came before the player went out and blasted the team in a very publicized interview. Odell was an issue well before that quote. My point being, don't believe the words these guys say in public. Again, I'm not saying he doesn't feel that way, but if he felt the opposite he would still give him praise. I agree to a certain extent but he goes over the top with his praise of Jones. Some of the QB guys agree with him they think Jones statistically didn't have as good a years but his, reading of defenses, poise, decision making, they point out had improved through out the year. I trust Judges opinion I think that if he was one foot in on Jones he would be complimentary but not so over the top, he said he made really hard on Jones in the beginning and told him he is evaluating him so it sounds like it started off with Jones not knowing wether he was the gonna be the QB of the present never mind the future.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 26, 2021 21:07:15 GMT -5
What I'm saying is, Judge in his rookie coaching year, isn't going to say negative things about his QB, whether he is thinking it or not. He is smart that way. I completely disagree .Judge has a set, and he speaks his mind and has no problem in doing so. He isn't going to call out Jones in year 1 of his coaching career with no backup plan. Balls or not.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5
What I'm saying is, Judge in his rookie coaching year, isn't going to say negative things about his QB, whether he is thinking it or not. He is smart that way. I completely disagree .Judge has a set, and he speaks his mind and has no problem in doing so. When he fired Columbo and then shut Tate down h approved he will not be over ruled and that no player or coach is above the team.
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Post by TEM on Feb 26, 2021 21:13:16 GMT -5
I completely disagree .Judge has a set, and he speaks his mind and has no problem in doing so. He isn't going to call out Jones in year 1 of his coaching career with no backup plan. Balls or not. I fail to see that in his personality. I do not see him as the type to pull punches. If we were going to go QB .There would be at least remote rumors of dealing Jones. Nothing is rumored. The HC speaks the truth. Jones is not going anywhere.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 26, 2021 21:26:35 GMT -5
I completely disagree .Judge has a set, and he speaks his mind and has no problem in doing so. When he fired Columbo and then shut Tate down h approved he will not be over ruled and that no player or coach is above the team. Any head coach who wants to last in this business can’t be undermined. If Judge let Colombo slide and Tate play he would lose the respect from his players. Once that happens, you might as well start looking for new employment. Because, you’re done.. I also believe head coaches are not completely honest when it comes to the media. Everything and anything can be misinterpreted. Your best bet is to talk your players up and make them feel that they’re part of the future. But, make no mistake. If Jones has another clunker of a season, he will be forcing Judges hand at QB.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 26, 2021 21:40:56 GMT -5
When he fired Columbo and then shut Tate down h approved he will not be over ruled and that no player or coach is above the team. Any head coach who wants to last in this business can’t be undermined. If Judge let Colombo slide and Tate play he would lose the respect from his players. Once that happens, you might as well start looking for new employment. Because, you’re done.. I also believe head coaches are not completely honest when it comes to the media. Everything and anything can be misinterpreted. Your best bet is to talk your players up and make them feel that they’re part of the future. But, make no mistake. If Jones has another clunker of a season, he will be forcing Judges hand at QB. That I agree with, for Judge Jones improved throughout the season and is coming into year 2 of their program don't matter how hard he works he needs to take it to the field or they will be drafting a QB next year. It's funny how things work out there are about 2 or 3 drops that would have gotten them for sure 7-9 and the division and possibly even 8-8. That said even if all that happened if were all being honest Jones evaluation still would be on going to see wether he is the QB of future nothing should change except the Giants doing everything possible to give this kid everything he needs. Look at Murray they got him a top 3 WR and up graded around him still only got them 8-8
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Post by ocgiant on Feb 26, 2021 23:03:48 GMT -5
Finally a "what if" which is somewhat intriguing until you realize it's not happening.
Judge is absolutely going to back Jones 100% at this point
It is up to Jones to to prove this coming season that he is a capable QB that can lead this team to the next level
This would be more relevant a year from now but it is still thought provoking today
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5
How would you guys feel if this scenario played out. At pick 11, Joe Judge phones in to Gettleman to take HIS QB at 11. (Imagine anyone outside of Lawrence there). We take a QB Judge believes will be the franchise here the next 15 years, and fit better to his team much more than Jones, who was Shurmurs QB. In doing so, we are able to trade Jones for a late 1st round pick. How would you guys feel about this strategy? Who’s gonna be there at 11 worth taking? Lol
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Post by McCherry on Feb 26, 2021 23:27:14 GMT -5
Finally a "what if" which is somewhat intriguing until you realize it's not happening. Judge is absolutely going to back Jones 100% at this point It is up to Jones to to prove this coming season that he is a capable QB that can lead this team to the next level If both owners, coach and GM didn’t just publicly pledge full support for Jones, we might have something to talk about.
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