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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 13, 2021 18:11:30 GMT -5
While I really like the 3WR's and Pitts, if they went this route, I would not complain. Personally, this year, I'd probably take one of the 4 if available, but I think Slater is a really good prospect. I can't see Slater as an option now that they're bringing Solder back. If the top 3 WRs and Pitts are gone I still would take Slater if I can't get a trade back Hernandez is an UFA next year,Lemieux is still an unknown (I'm more optimistic about him than others)..
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 13, 2021 18:12:27 GMT -5
I can't see Slater as an option now that they're bringing Solder back. Ereck Flowers sacks allowed in 3 seasons with NYG: 15 Nate Solder sacks allowed in 2 seasons with NYG: 18 Solder also hasn't played in a long time. He cant be treated as a solution to one of the most important positions on offence going into next year, neither should Peart. I would argue that Slator would be an excellent OG, even better than he projects at OT. Reminds me a lot of Wirfs. That kind of flexibility is exactly what this team needs. Reminds me more of Scherff..
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Post by thetruth on Mar 13, 2021 18:15:52 GMT -5
Ereck Flowers sacks allowed in 3 seasons with NYG: 15 Nate Solder sacks allowed in 2 seasons with NYG: 18 Solder also hasn't played in a long time. He cant be treated as a solution to one of the most important positions on offence going into next year, neither should Peart. I would argue that Slator would be an excellent OG, even better than he projects at OT. Reminds me a lot of Wirfs. That kind of flexibility is exactly what this team needs. Reminds me more of Scherff.. Love Scherff, but Slater is a much better athlete. If your tape shows a game where you dominated Chase Young as an OT you have a spot on this team! He was consistently good on the edge, rare prospect IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 18:35:19 GMT -5
I can't see Slater as an option now that they're bringing Solder back. Ereck Flowers sacks allowed in 3 seasons with NYG: 15
Nate Solder sacks allowed in 2 seasons with NYG: 18Solder also hasn't played in a long time. He cant be treated as a solution to one of the most important positions on offence going into next year, neither should Peart. I would argue that Slater would be an excellent OG, even better than he projects at OT. Reminds me a lot of Wirfs. That kind of flexibility is exactly what this team needs and above all else, what Daniel Jones needs. He's brilliant when kept clean with the current receiving options. When the pressure accumulates is when he makes mistake(s). Not to mention, Slater will be tremendous in the run game as well. Thank you...posters believing Solder is the answer at tackle is just more of the same old Giants. Slater's feet are silly good...and he can play any of the 5 positions. As you said, wide receiver value is always 2nd round, and certainly not top 10...9 touches a game vs the engine. Nate Solder was a turnstile...now?...he could get Jones killed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 13, 2021 18:43:49 GMT -5
Ereck Flowers sacks allowed in 3 seasons with NYG: 15
Nate Solder sacks allowed in 2 seasons with NYG: 18Solder also hasn't played in a long time. He cant be treated as a solution to one of the most important positions on offence going into next year, neither should Peart. I would argue that Slater would be an excellent OG, even better than he projects at OT. Reminds me a lot of Wirfs. That kind of flexibility is exactly what this team needs and above all else, what Daniel Jones needs. He's brilliant when kept clean with the current receiving options. When the pressure accumulates is when he makes mistake(s). Not to mention, Slater will be tremendous in the run game as well. Thank you...posters believing Solder is the answer at tackle is just more of the same old Giants. Slater's feet are silly good...and he can play any of the 5 positions. As you said, wide receiver value is always 2nd round, and certainly not top 10...9 touches a game vs the engine. Nate Solder was a turnstile...now?...he could get Jones killed. Well The hope is that Peart beats out Solder.... Getting Slater gets us a guy that plugs in right where Zeitler was for 5 years .... And now you have 3 and a half tackles on the team as well if needed
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Post by TEM on Mar 13, 2021 19:28:53 GMT -5
Thank you...posters believing Solder is the answer at tackle is just more of the same old Giants. Slater's feet are silly good...and he can play any of the 5 positions. As you said, wide receiver value is always 2nd round, and certainly not top 10...9 touches a game vs the engine. Nate Solder was a turnstile...now?...he could get Jones killed. Well The hope is that Peart beats out Solder.... Getting Slater gets us a guy that plugs in right where Zeitler was for 5 years .... And now you have 3 and a half tackles on the team as well if needed Did you consider. That Pert is our RT, Hernandez to RG and Solder as LG. That is a conceivable configuration with Thomas and Gates.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 13, 2021 20:05:48 GMT -5
He doesn't look all bloated up anymore he looked good in those pics and Manyweather is excellent. I do not know much about him .I have read LeCharles Bently's O-line training academy very good. Both are excellent.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 14, 2021 10:11:26 GMT -5
the thing about hoping for a college football player to solve a position problem in the pros is that a lot of these young guys leave their best games on the college football field and can't take that next step..
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Post by Jomo on Mar 14, 2021 11:34:01 GMT -5
the thing about hoping for a college football player to solve a position problem in the pros is that a lot of these young guys leave their best games on the college football field and can't take that next step.. Yes, that's true but a lot of FA have already played their best football in the NFL and wo we overpay for declining skills. I know we didn't get Zeitzer in FA but look at his skills in Cleveland vs. here. I think the certainty in FA is that you always overpay for the skills you are getting. Coming out of college, you can get really good value (understanding the crap shoot) in the middle rounds or later, like Lemieux or Gates or Slayton etc. Kinda like pick your poison although I will add that if you draft well enough, you don't need FA so much but the flip side would be you'd only have less than half a roster if you tried to build in FA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 11:56:48 GMT -5
Another Gettleman mistake, Solder should be a goner.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 14, 2021 12:17:25 GMT -5
the thing about hoping for a college football player to solve a position problem in the pros is that a lot of these young guys leave their best games on the college football field and can't take that next step.. Yes, that's true but a lot of FA have already played their best football in the NFL and wo we overpay for declining skills. I know we didn't get Zeitzer in FA but look at his skills in Cleveland vs. here. I think the certainty in FA is that you always overpay for the skills you are getting. Coming out of college, you can get really good value (understanding the crap shoot) in the middle rounds or later, like Lemieux or Gates or Slayton etc. Kinda like pick your poison although I will add that if you draft well enough, you don't need FA so much but the flip side would be you'd only have less than half a roster if you tried to build in FA. It seems to be a pattern where Oline are good on other teams but not here and even guys we have here that we let go to other teams and produce at oline. I don't think it is players. Remmers is starting in KC. Zeitler and Solder were really good lineman before they came here. Even our RT last year played better in Dallas the year before. At some point we need to hold the coaches to a higher standard for perpetually underperforming positions. Look at the turn around on Defense. LW is a different version under Graham and the Dline coach . The secondary is night and day from year before. Don't get me started on the LBs we got 7th round LBs looking better that seasoned veterans we picked up in the past. I hope Jason Garret can get this offense producing better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 7:31:30 GMT -5
I'm not understanding all the praise going out for a player who has proven to be a liability with stunts and has regressed since his 1st year..
Maybe getting some better training will work for him like it did with Martinez but I think it's a mistake going into the season with these two guards as their only options.. I'm hopeful they will bring in some vets that were cap casualties to at least compete against these two under performing players!
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Post by imgrate on Mar 15, 2021 8:08:14 GMT -5
I not understanding all the praise going out for a player who has proven to be a liability with stunts and has regressed since his 1st year.. Maybe getting some better training will work for him like it did with Martinez but I think it's a mistake going into the season with these two guards as their only options.. I'm hopeful they will bring in some vets that were cap casualties to at least compete against these two under performing players! We need the guys on rookie deals to not be scrubs or we're screwed. Just can't afford to buy a middle of the pack vet for every position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 8:13:27 GMT -5
I not understanding all the praise going out for a player who has proven to be a liability with stunts and has regressed since his 1st year.. Maybe getting some better training will work for him like it did with Martinez but I think it's a mistake going into the season with these two guards as their only options.. I'm hopeful they will bring in some vets that were cap casualties to at least compete against these two under performing players! We need the guys on rookie deals to not be scrubs or we're screwed. Just can't afford to buy a middle of the pack vet for every position. So far they have proven to be scrubs and Hernandez has show it for 3 years so what's your point?
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Post by imgrate on Mar 15, 2021 9:48:30 GMT -5
We need the guys on rookie deals to not be scrubs or we're screwed. Just can't afford to buy a middle of the pack vet for every position. So far they have proven to be scrubs and Hernandez has show it for 3 years so what's your point? My point is that we're screwed or we have to get lucky and these guys turn it around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 9:56:14 GMT -5
So far they have proven to be scrubs and Hernandez has show it for 3 years so what's your point? My point is that we're screwed or we have to get lucky and these guys turn it around. It's not smart business to hope for luck to fix the problems.. Pay for some cap cut guards and let them battle it out..
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Post by thetruth on May 25, 2021 18:12:48 GMT -5
for those wanting a follow up on Will and his work with Duke.
Duke talks Hernendez, Rob Sale, OL chemistry, rotating OL, areas/growth for current OL etc. Great listen, outside of Sale Duke's opinion is as good as anyone we have access too.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 29, 2021 20:23:13 GMT -5
Spelling aside... Word was he was overweight last season and the coaches are sending him a challenge to be more athletic and mobile as the veteran leader of the OL... I’m sure the usually peanut gallery will show up in this thread to say how much he sucks and how Gettleman sucks, but this is encouraging news. Agree her he has talent and at his worst has been average in his videos he looks lighter and quicker. I think with the scheme change came a need for him and all of them to adapt Hernandez had a good first year and ok 2nd season same with his 3rd, it will be fun to see how he does Rob Sale and Duke Mannyweather I believe are friends so they can be working on little things that sale will expect from his OLs. Also Hernandez brings that nasty to this group especially when it comes to divisional games.
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Post by IrishMike on May 29, 2021 20:36:07 GMT -5
First about Will. He is one of my favorite personalities on the team so I am definitely pulling for him. I have heard various takes from OL about switching sides. It appears that some think it's an easy transition and others think it's like trying to write with your feet. We will see how he takes it. Bring out that beast from rookie year.
About this OL guru. We have sent guys there before and they didn't improve. I'm glad he is seeking help but "results may vary". Hopefully between this guru and the staff we have on the team we can coach our OL up a bit, something that hasn't been done here in roughly a decade.
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Post by IrishMike on May 29, 2021 20:39:42 GMT -5
Thank you...posters believing Solder is the answer at tackle is just more of the same old Giants. Solder is here just in case Peart doesn't make it and that's all IMO.
You probably know more than me about this but how does our OL blocking scheme under Judge differ than Shurmur? Perhaps Judges knows a bit more about putting Solder in the position to succeed than Shurmur did. Clearly Solder was better in NE than in NY, can that be 100% because of Brady? I think some of it has to be what we asked him to do vs what Bill asked him to do.
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Post by DandyDon on May 29, 2021 21:01:21 GMT -5
This is excellent news. Best OL trainer out there. Sounds encouraging, but how do you know he's the best ol trainer in the NFL?
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Post by Zimonami on May 29, 2021 21:20:30 GMT -5
Thank you...posters believing Solder is the answer at tackle is just more of the same old Giants. Solder is here just in case Peart doesn't make it and that's all IMO.
You probably know more than me about this but how does our OL blocking scheme under Judge differ than Shurmur? Perhaps Judges knows a bit more about putting Solder in the position to succeed than Shurmur did. Clearly Solder was better in NE than in NY, can that be 100% because of Brady? I think some of it has to be what we asked him to do vs what Bill asked him to do.
I didn't think Solder's decline was either scheme or coaching, but rather his own foot speed. His feet were way slow in 2019 and so his lateral movement, ability to slide, was slower and he had trouble staying with his man. We'll see if our coaches can help him improve, but I think his body just doesn't let him move quick enough to play the position well. We'll see. Based on what I saw in 2019, and then taking a year off, I don't have much hope he'll be an asset. Hopefully he kept himself in shape while he was off.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 30, 2021 12:09:36 GMT -5
I am rooting so hard for Hernandez to have a big year. For him and the Giants.
I thought he was a steal in the 2nd rd of the draft. Was it 2 years ago that I heard . Don't know if it was on TV or the pod cast on the Giant web site. Neither Solder nor Hernandez missed a snap on offense. Our entire left side of our OL played every down. That was damn impressive. Somebody can check it out and see if it's true.
I have more confidence in Hernandez than I do in Lemuix. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hernandez play both left and right Guard for us this year. Who's this Guard think his name is Fulton that will be challenging for a starting position. Even though I heard that Houston fans held a parade when he left.
We need Hernandez to perform big this year if this OL is going to jell. And God knows we need this OL to jell this year.
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Post by Jomo on May 30, 2021 13:23:30 GMT -5
Solder is here just in case Peart doesn't make it and that's all IMO.
You probably know more than me about this but how does our OL blocking scheme under Judge differ than Shurmur? Perhaps Judges knows a bit more about putting Solder in the position to succeed than Shurmur did. Clearly Solder was better in NE than in NY, can that be 100% because of Brady? I think some of it has to be what we asked him to do vs what Bill asked him to do.
I didn't think Solder's decline was either scheme or coaching, but rather his own foot speed. His feet were way slow in 2019 and so his lateral movement, ability to slide, was slower and he had trouble staying with his man. We'll see if our coaches can help him improve, but I think his body just doesn't let him move quick enough to play the position well. We'll see. Based on what I saw in 2019, and then taking a year off, I don't have much hope he'll be an asset. Hopefully he kept himself in shape while he was off. I agree Zim, he was never that good. We overpaid for an average player and we all know why. That's our problem, not his. He's got no financial need and an ongoing family situation. It's hard to project him a any kind of real contributor. I just don't think his stomach is in it to compete.
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 13:42:24 GMT -5
First about Will. He is one of my favorite personalities on the team so I am definitely pulling for him. I have heard various takes from OL about switching sides. It appears that some think it's an easy transition and others think it's like trying to write with your feet. We will see how he takes it. Bring out that beast from rookie year. About this OL guru. We have sent guys there before and they didn't improve. I'm glad he is seeking help but "results may vary". Hopefully between this guru and the staff we have on the team we can coach our OL up a bit, something that hasn't been done here in roughly a decade. I agree about Will, the guy is a badass. He started 40 straight games before being sidelined with Covid. The switch to RG is for the same reasons that LT's who struggle with athleticism are moved to RT. This should benefit WH as he can focus on his strength as a run blocker. The adjustment is re-learning the techniques to the other side.
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 13:44:57 GMT -5
I didn't think Solder's decline was either scheme or coaching, but rather his own foot speed. His feet were way slow in 2019 and so his lateral movement, ability to slide, was slower and he had trouble staying with his man. We'll see if our coaches can help him improve, but I think his body just doesn't let him move quick enough to play the position well. We'll see. Based on what I saw in 2019, and then taking a year off, I don't have much hope he'll be an asset. Hopefully he kept himself in shape while he was off. I agree Zim, he was never that good. We overpaid for an average player and we all know why. That's our problem, not his. He's got no financial need and an ongoing family situation. It's hard to project him a any kind of real contributor. I just don't think his stomach is in it to compete.The guy played in 3 Superbowls.
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Post by Jomo on May 30, 2021 13:46:34 GMT -5
I agree Zim, he was never that good. We overpaid for an average player and we all know why. That's our problem, not his. He's got no financial need and an ongoing family situation. It's hard to project him a any kind of real contributor. I just don't think his stomach is in it to compete.The guy played in 3 Superbowls. Yes, I am talking about the same guy and I am talking about this year....not ancient history at this point in NFL terms..
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 14:07:17 GMT -5
The guy played in 3 Superbowls. Yes, I am talking about the same guy and I am talking about this year....not ancient history at this point in NFL terms.. Well he's not doing it for the money at this point. He didn't have to come back to football after a year off to sit on the bench.
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Post by Jomo on May 30, 2021 14:11:35 GMT -5
Yes, I am talking about the same guy and I am talking about this year....not ancient history at this point in NFL terms.. Well he's not doing it for the money at this point. He didn't have to come back to football after a year off to sit on the bench. Are you his agent?
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Post by Zimonami on May 30, 2021 15:31:47 GMT -5
I agree Zim, he was never that good. We overpaid for an average player and we all know why. That's our problem, not his. He's got no financial need and an ongoing family situation. It's hard to project him a any kind of real contributor. I just don't think his stomach is in it to compete.The guy played in 3 Superbowls. He was never even an All-Pro in 7 years on all those great teams. In 3 years with us he was no better than average his first 2 years and then a DNP in his third year. In 2019 he allowed 57 pressures... 7 more than the next OT So, what is your point? That we overpaid for an average, decliinng OT that had been in 3 SB's?
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