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Post by IrishMike on May 30, 2021 15:48:55 GMT -5
The guy played in 3 Superbowls. He was never even an All-Pro in 7 years on all those great teams. In 3 years with us he was no better than average his first 2 years and then a DNP in his third year. In 2019 he allowed 57 pressures... 7 more than the next OT So, what is your point? That we overpaid for an average, decliinng OT that had been in 3 SB's? Whether Solder is good or not or how much we paid him isn't what his comment was about. Saying a guy that spent 10 years in the NFL and decided to come back this year doesn't "have the stomach to compete" is kind of silly.
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Post by Zimonami on May 30, 2021 15:51:57 GMT -5
He was never even an All-Pro in 7 years on all those great teams. In 3 years with us he was no better than average his first 2 years and then a DNP in his third year. In 2019 he allowed 57 pressures... 7 more than the next OT So, what is your point? That we overpaid for an average, decliinng OT that had been in 3 SB's? Whether Solder is good or not or how much we paid him isn't what his comment was about. Saying a guy that spent 10 years in the NFL and decided to come back this year doesn't "have the stomach to compete" is kind of silly. I never said he didn't have the stomach to compete. I pointed out that he was no better than average, and my feeling is because his foot speed was very slow.
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Post by IrishMike on May 30, 2021 16:01:32 GMT -5
I never said he didn't have the stomach to compete. I pointed out that he was no better than average, and my feeling is because his foot speed was very slow. I know you didn't. You were questioning mikecherry's comment which was a response to Jomo saying Solder didn't have the stomach to compete. I agree Zim, he was never that good. We overpaid for an average player and we all know why. That's our problem, not his. He's got no financial need and an ongoing family situation. It's hard to project him a any kind of real contributor. I just don't think his stomach is in it to compete.The guy played in 3 Superbowls.
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Post by Zimonami on May 30, 2021 16:12:27 GMT -5
I never said he didn't have the stomach to compete. I pointed out that he was no better than average, and my feeling is because his foot speed was very slow. I know you didn't. You were questioning mikecherry's comment which was a response to Jomo saying Solder didn't have the stomach to compete. The guy played in 3 Superbowls. Yep. Well, that seems to just be Jomo wondering if that could be a reason for his demise. After a year off we'll see how much he wants to play at the Pro level by the way he has or hasn't kept himself in shape. It's not unusual for guys to get lazy after earning a boat load of bucks. We shall see. I hope he has kept in shape and is eager to perform because we need him as either a starting RT if he earns the spot, or first man up if Thomas or Peart are injured. I hope he can get some mojo back.
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Post by Jomo on May 30, 2021 16:37:38 GMT -5
He was never even an All-Pro in 7 years on all those great teams. In 3 years with us he was no better than average his first 2 years and then a DNP in his third year. In 2019 he allowed 57 pressures... 7 more than the next OT So, what is your point? That we overpaid for an average, decliinng OT that had been in 3 SB's? Whether Solder is good or not or how much we paid him isn't what his comment was about. Saying a guy that spent 10 years in the NFL and decided to come back this year doesn't "have the stomach to compete" is kind of silly. My comments were forward looking not backward. Maybe that wasn't clear. He signed a big contract with us, played poorly, then took a year off and it leaves me wondering.....plus the family health situation always in the background. I wonder if he really wants to fight for it. I'd love him to live up to the contract $ but that is a pipe dream at this point and our FO's mistake. I have no problem with him taking our money. We surely need him to be ready to help but I've seen too many guys this late in their career, financially satisfied just start going through the motions.
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Post by Kruunch on May 30, 2021 17:02:05 GMT -5
Whether Solder is good or not or how much we paid him isn't what his comment was about. Saying a guy that spent 10 years in the NFL and decided to come back this year doesn't "have the stomach to compete" is kind of silly. My comments were forward looking not backward. Maybe that wasn't clear. He signed a big contract with us, played poorly, then took a year off and it leaves me wondering.....plus the family health situation always in the background. I wonder if he really wants to fight for it. I'd love him to live up to the contract $ but that is a pipe dream at this point and our FO's mistake. I have no problem with him taking our money. We surely need him to be ready to help but I've seen too many guys this late in their career, financially satisfied just start going through the motions. You’re being too kind. He played like medical waste his first year with us. Led the league in sacks allowed and pressures. His best season is when he opted out. Don’t hold your breath with him helping the team, you’ll end up dead..
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 18:20:12 GMT -5
Well he's not doing it for the money at this point. He didn't have to come back to football after a year off to sit on the bench. Are you his agent? Just pointing out nonsense.... Busy day.
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Post by TCHOF on May 30, 2021 20:24:15 GMT -5
Spelling aside... Word was he was overweight last season and the coaches are sending him a challenge to be more athletic and mobile as the veteran leader of the OL... I’m sure the usually peanut gallery will show up in this thread to say how much he sucks and how Gettleman sucks, but this is encouraging news. I thought that COVID was the reason he got benched. Now you’re saying he was fat and immobile? Hmmm
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Post by jb456 on May 30, 2021 21:01:34 GMT -5
Spelling aside... Word was he was overweight last season and the coaches are sending him a challenge to be more athletic and mobile as the veteran leader of the OL... I’m sure the usually peanut gallery will show up in this thread to say how much he sucks and how Gettleman sucks, but this is encouraging news. I thought that COVID was the reason he got benched. Now you’re saying he was fat and immobile? Hmmm Yeah, I never heard the fat and immobile storyline. Im guessing Mike isn't a defense lawyer or he would get his client sent to the gas chamber by "defending him". Mike is this fat and immobile storyline legit?
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 21:26:42 GMT -5
Spelling aside... Word was he was overweight last season and the coaches are sending him a challenge to be more athletic and mobile as the veteran leader of the OL... I’m sure the usually peanut gallery will show up in this thread to say how much he sucks and how Gettleman sucks, but this is encouraging news. I thought that COVID was the reason he got benched. Now you’re saying he was fat and immobile? Hmmm Now I'm saying? That post is almost 3 months old. And I don't recall using those words. Sounds like someone had a few too many White Claws tonight.
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Post by IrishMike on May 30, 2021 21:28:40 GMT -5
My comments were forward looking not backward. Maybe that wasn't clear. He signed a big contract with us, played poorly, then took a year off and it leaves me wondering.....plus the family health situation always in the background. I wonder if he really wants to fight for it. I'd love him to live up to the contract $ but that is a pipe dream at this point and our FO's mistake. I have no problem with him taking our money. We surely need him to be ready to help but I've seen too many guys this late in their career, financially satisfied just start going through the motions. I'm not saying he is good or was or anything but you can't hold him opting out against him. He has a child with major health issues during a pandemic. If having to choose football or his kid he would, rightfully, choose his kid. My honest opinion is that if he didn't want to compete he wouldn't be playing football anymore.
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 21:35:02 GMT -5
My comments were forward looking not backward. Maybe that wasn't clear. He signed a big contract with us, played poorly, then took a year off and it leaves me wondering.....plus the family health situation always in the background. I wonder if he really wants to fight for it. I'd love him to live up to the contract $ but that is a pipe dream at this point and our FO's mistake. I have no problem with him taking our money. We surely need him to be ready to help but I've seen too many guys this late in their career, financially satisfied just start going through the motions. I'm not saying he is good or was or anything but you can't hold him opting out against him. He has a child with major health issues during a pandemic. If having to choose football or his kid he would, rightfully, choose his kid. My honest opinion is that if he didn't want to compete he wouldn't be playing football anymore. I think Solder's issues at this point are ability related, not motivation. Most analysts were sure he would retire, I think his paycut shows his desire to still compete.
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Post by Jomo on May 30, 2021 21:40:42 GMT -5
My comments were forward looking not backward. Maybe that wasn't clear. He signed a big contract with us, played poorly, then took a year off and it leaves me wondering.....plus the family health situation always in the background. I wonder if he really wants to fight for it. I'd love him to live up to the contract $ but that is a pipe dream at this point and our FO's mistake. I have no problem with him taking our money. We surely need him to be ready to help but I've seen too many guys this late in their career, financially satisfied just start going through the motions. I'm not saying he is good or was or anything but you can't hold him opting out against him. He has a child with major health issues during a pandemic. If having to choose football or his kid he would, rightfully, choose his kid. My honest opinion is that if he didn't want to compete he wouldn't be playing football anymore. I am not holding anything against him..... not sure how you got that. He strikes me as a guy who would be a fine neighbor and friend. I am just saying that based on his performance in his time here, plus a year off, plus the continuing family issues I am not counting on him being anything more than a backup.......if he get through training camp without reconsidering his decision to give it one more try. Nothing would be better for us than for him to become something he hasn't been in all his time here. I am just assuming that it will be more of the same or less, given the passage of a few years since his arrival.
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Post by TCHOF on May 31, 2021 6:33:50 GMT -5
I thought that COVID was the reason he got benched. Now you’re saying he was fat and immobile? Hmmm Now I'm saying? That post is almost 3 months old. And I don't recall using those words. Sounds like someone had a few too many White Claws tonight. Sounds like someone can’t keep his arguments straight
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Post by GameTime on May 31, 2021 7:08:59 GMT -5
Hernandez is on the roster, working our, and trying to get his game better. Cant ask for anything more than that at this point in time.
See if makes a difference on the field. I certainly wont bash him for his off season efforts.
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Post by IrishMike on May 31, 2021 8:08:02 GMT -5
I am not holding anything against him..... not sure how you got that. He strikes me as a guy who would be a fine neighbor and friend. I am just saying that based on his performance in his time here, plus a year off, plus the continuing family issues I am not counting on him being anything more than a backup.......if he get through training camp without reconsidering his decision to give it one more try. Nothing would be better for us than for him to become something he hasn't been in all his time here. I am just assuming that it will be more of the same or less, given the passage of a few years since his arrival. The only part I was disagreeing with was the part about his stomach not being in it to compete. I took that as you saying he was not competitive and would give it his all. I could have taken it the wrong way of course.
I assume Peart will be the starting RT.
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Post by Jomo on May 31, 2021 9:41:57 GMT -5
I am not holding anything against him..... not sure how you got that. He strikes me as a guy who would be a fine neighbor and friend. I am just saying that based on his performance in his time here, plus a year off, plus the continuing family issues I am not counting on him being anything more than a backup.......if he get through training camp without reconsidering his decision to give it one more try. Nothing would be better for us than for him to become something he hasn't been in all his time here. I am just assuming that it will be more of the same or less, given the passage of a few years since his arrival. The only part I was disagreeing with was the part about his stomach not being in it to compete. I took that as you saying he was not competitive and would give it his all. I could have taken it the wrong way of course.
I assume Peart will be the starting RT.
I view everything around the team's near term performance and the risks it faces. I see a guy late in his career, with a marginal start here, financially secure, a year off from competition, family health issues which probably never go away (parents can't forget that) and I worry that he could just say "**** it: I don't need this shit anymore. That would leave us one short on an already short OL. My comments were only directed at that, not at his 10 year NFL career. For most of us as we move through life, our priorities change.
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Post by McCherry on May 31, 2021 10:26:02 GMT -5
Now I'm saying? That post is almost 3 months old. And I don't recall using those words. Sounds like someone had a few too many White Claws tonight. Sounds like someone can’t keep his arguments straight When did I say he was benched because of his weight? I've been pretty firm that it was covid-related. The team never clarified. Who cares now.
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Post by jb456 on May 31, 2021 15:23:24 GMT -5
Sounds like someone can’t keep his arguments straight When did I say he was benched because of his weight? I've been pretty firm that it was covid-related. The team never clarified. Who cares now. He quoted your post. It was the 3rd post in this thread. I must of missed it earlier since I thought his struggles were due to covid but you mentioned that he was overweight and not athletic, which is 100x worse.
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Post by McCherry on May 31, 2021 15:37:18 GMT -5
When did I say he was benched because of his weight? I've been pretty firm that it was covid-related. The team never clarified. Who cares now. He quoted your post. It was the 3rd post in this thread. I must of missed it earlier since I thought his struggles were due to covid but you mentioned that he was overweight and not athletic, which is 100x worse. I only said it was reported in last year's training camp that he looked heavier than usual. I did not say that was the reason for his struggles or loss of playing time. Though he's clearly committed to coming into this season in top shape and is penciled as the starting RG.
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Post by IrishMike on May 31, 2021 19:12:31 GMT -5
I view everything around the team's near term performance and the risks it faces. I see a guy late in his career, with a marginal start here, financially secure, a year off from competition, family health issues which probably never go away (parents can't forget that) and I worry that he could just say "**** it: I don't need this shit anymore. That would leave us one short on an already short OL. My comments were only directed at that, not at his 10 year NFL career. For most of us as we move through life, our priorities change. It's funny, that's exactly why I do think he's here to compete. He has literally every reason in the world to stop playing. Played a decade, made $74,000,000, already took a year off, has family health concerns....yet he still is coming back. If that does not say "competitor" to you I'm not sure what would.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 1, 2021 9:33:03 GMT -5
I view everything around the team's near term performance and the risks it faces. I see a guy late in his career, with a marginal start here, financially secure, a year off from competition, family health issues which probably never go away (parents can't forget that) and I worry that he could just say "**** it: I don't need this shit anymore. That would leave us one short on an already short OL. My comments were only directed at that, not at his 10 year NFL career. For most of us as we move through life, our priorities change. It's funny, that's exactly why I do think he's here to compete. He has literally every reason in the world to stop playing. Played a decade, made $74,000,000, already took a year off, has family health concerns....yet he still is coming back. If that does not say "competitor" to you I'm not sure what would.
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it...
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 1, 2021 10:45:51 GMT -5
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... I'm not 100% sure but I think Solder would have made slightly more money if he didn't restructure and just let them cut him. So he is taking less money to play football.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 1, 2021 11:40:41 GMT -5
It's funny, that's exactly why I do think he's here to compete. He has literally every reason in the world to stop playing. Played a decade, made $74,000,000, already took a year off, has family health concerns....yet he still is coming back. If that does not say "competitor" to you I'm not sure what would.
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... Its also possible that when Solder is playing/practicing that its a good distraction from the health issue of his son. It allows him some mental free time away from that. When I used to ride motocross/dirtbikes I couldn't think about anything else on the track/trails. If I did then it would be too much of a distraction and chance of injury. I wiped out enough even when concentrating....lol
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Post by jb456 on Jun 1, 2021 11:46:44 GMT -5
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... Its also possible that when Solder is playing/practicing that its a good distraction from the health issue of his son. It allows him some mental free time away from that. When I used to ride motocross/dirtbikes I couldn't think about anything else on the track/trails. If I did then it would be too much of a distraction and chance of injury. I wiped out enough even when concentrating....lol This could be true also. It's probably a combination of both.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 1, 2021 13:14:19 GMT -5
It's funny, that's exactly why I do think he's here to compete. He has literally every reason in the world to stop playing. Played a decade, made $74,000,000, already took a year off, has family health concerns....yet he still is coming back. If that does not say "competitor" to you I'm not sure what would.
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... His deep salary cut actually reflects my concern about whether he'll show up and play this through. The lower financial commitment shows that the team/league share my views on the risks we face with him, not just him showing up and sticking it out but the level of play he might be capable of...... We need him (or someone capable) so I hope he can overcome everything, including his poor play and advancing age to be productive for us this year. Don't we?
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Post by jb456 on Jun 1, 2021 13:32:30 GMT -5
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... His deep salary cut actually reflects my concern about whether he'll show up and play this through. The lower financial commitment shows that the team/league share my views on the risks we face with him, not just him showing up and sticking it out but the level of play he might be capable of...... We need him (or someone capable) so I hope he can overcome everything, including his poor play and advancing age to be productive for us this year. Don't we? Well, I guess we also have to look at his role in 2021 vs 2019. In 2019, Solder was penciled in as the starting LT. In 2021, Solder is a swing tackle. There is a big difference in salary with a starting LT vs. a swing tackle. We also have to keep in mind that as bad as Solder was in 2019, Fleming was worse in 2020. Just by getting rid of Flemming and getting Solder back is a back is an upgrade at T IMO. Some of Solder's poor play could be attributed to injuries. Hopefully that year he took off enabled him to get healthier and he can push Peart into becoming a better player.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jun 1, 2021 13:33:21 GMT -5
This is a great post. Solder could have easily rode off into the sunset and his family would be set for a few generations. I also would add that he took a pretty deep salary cut to come back. Not many players earning that much money would take a massive hit. I understand that he knew he had to due to his performance but if you are willing to take a 75% reduction in earning to do something, it shows you still have passion to do it... His deep salary cut actually reflects my concern about whether he'll show up and play this through. The lower financial commitment shows that the team/league share my views on the risks we face with him, not just him showing up and sticking it out but the level of play he might be capable of...... We need him (or someone capable) so I hope he can overcome everything, including his poor play and advancing age to be productive for us this year. Don't we? Or he is smart and realizes he is likely just a back up and would rather squeeze out a few more dollars than try to find a new team to sign him.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 1, 2021 13:40:25 GMT -5
His deep salary cut actually reflects my concern about whether he'll show up and play this through. The lower financial commitment shows that the team/league share my views on the risks we face with him, not just him showing up and sticking it out but the level of play he might be capable of...... We need him (or someone capable) so I hope he can overcome everything, including his poor play and advancing age to be productive for us this year. Don't we? Or he is smart and realizes he is likely just a back up and would rather squeeze out a few more dollars than try to find a new team to sign him. Which is also great for the Giants since that would be motivation for Solder to showcase that he can still perform. The Giants aren't keeping Solder beyond this year with his $18M cap hit in 2022. www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/nate-solder-7732/
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Post by Nick6475 on Jun 1, 2021 13:48:20 GMT -5
Or he is smart and realizes he is likely just a back up and would rather squeeze out a few more dollars than try to find a new team to sign him. Which is also great for the Giants since that would be motivation for Solder to showcase that he can still perform. The Giants aren't keeping Solder beyond this year with his $18M cap hit in 2022. www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/nate-solder-7732/I wouldn't be surprised if he retired after this year.
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