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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 17:43:38 GMT -5
My uncle's cousin's brother's step sister's mother's friend said Golladay wanted to be a Giant. Envy is tough to deal with I get it you'll be ok
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 17:52:40 GMT -5
My uncle's cousin's brother's step sister's mother's friend said Golladay wanted to be a Giant. Envy is tough to deal with I get it you'll be ok Envy is far from what I have. What I have is a case of I don't think so, The way I see it for someone who claims to be a personal friend of the owner. One would think that individual would not have to go outside of that to get that kind information. Me I have my doubts you know the owner at all, or a friend of the agent. I am a show me guy. Telling me you have this access does not prove you do. I am not that gullible. If you were the friend of the owner . Wouldn't John tell you if Judge had more clout than the GM . And your proof would not be from 2nd hand information.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 18:04:59 GMT -5
Envy is tough to deal with I get it you'll be ok Envy is far from what I have. What I have is a case of I don't think so, The way I see it for someone who claims to be a personal friend of the owner. One would think that individual would not have to go outside of that to get that kind information. Me I have my doubts you know the owner at all, or a friend of the agent. I am a show me guy. Telling me you have this access does not prove you do. I am not that gullible. If you were the friend of the owner . Wouldn't John tell you if Judge had more clout than the GM? I haven't spoken to John in probably two years We know each other ... we're not golf buddies We grew up together and never in my life have I called him for personnel or contract information ... or very much else regarding the team as a matter of fact it's just not something we discuss That would be tactless Since Coughlin left I haven't had much contact with anyone inside the organization much at all What you believe is of zero concern to me ... I simply try to offer what I can because I know some fans appreciate it
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 18:20:10 GMT -5
Envy is far from what I have. What I have is a case of I don't think so, The way I see it for someone who claims to be a personal friend of the owner. One would think that individual would not have to go outside of that to get that kind information. Me I have my doubts you know the owner at all, or a friend of the agent. I am a show me guy. Telling me you have this access does not prove you do. I am not that gullible. If you were the friend of the owner . Wouldn't John tell you if Judge had more clout than the GM? I haven't spoken to John in probably two years We know each other ... we're not golf buddies We grew up together and never in my life have I called him for personnel or contract information ... or very much else regarding the team as a matter of fact it's just not something we discuss That would be tactless Since Coughlin left I haven't had much contact with anyone inside the organization much at all What you believe is of zero concern to me ... I simply try to offer what I can because I know some fans appreciate it Here is why I am seceptical of it. How does some agents comment prove Judge is running the show? I do not see the relevance especially from you. If what you claim is true . You above all of us should know the management structure of the organization. So it puts my IQ antennas up .When you say some agent said this so it proves the OPs point . That makes no sense to me. If what you convey is true. Why the hell would Mara and Tisch change that management structure in favor of rookie HC with 6 wins on his resume. You really think they would sign off on that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 18:24:52 GMT -5
I haven't spoken to John in probably two years We know each other ... we're not golf buddies We grew up together and never in my life have I called him for personnel or contract information ... or very much else regarding the team as a matter of fact it's just not something we discuss That would be tactless Since Coughlin left I haven't had much contact with anyone inside the organization much at all What you believe is of zero concern to me ... I simply try to offer what I can because I know some fans appreciate it Here is why I am seceptical of it. How does some agents comment prove Judge is running the show? I do not see the relevance especially from you. If what you claim is true . You above all of us should know the management structure of the organization. So it puts my IQ antennas up .When you say some agent said this so it proves the OPs point . That make no sense to me. If what you convey is true. Why the hell would Mara and Tisch change that management structure in favor of rookie HC with 6 wins on his resume. You really think they would sign off on that? you have far too much time on your hands
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 18:33:35 GMT -5
Here is why I am seceptical of it. How does some agents comment prove Judge is running the show? I do not see the relevance especially from you. If what you claim is true . You above all of us should know the management structure of the organization. So it puts my IQ antennas up .When you say some agent said this so it proves the OPs point . That make no sense to me. If what you convey is true. Why the hell would Mara and Tisch change that management structure in favor of rookie HC with 6 wins on his resume. You really think they would sign off on that? you have far too much time on your hands I don't. I work 10 hours a day . But what does that have to do what with the points I am making?
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 18:52:25 GMT -5
As this article rightly lays out, the New York Giants are being built in Joe Judge's image. Joe is the driving force behind this team. He is the face of the franchise. He's the reason players want to come here and stay here.
Forget the old thinking. Forget the way it "used to be". Like it or not, Joe Judge represents the new identity of our team.
Yes and the last team was built how Shurmur and his staff wanted. Lots of free agents wanted to come here for those coaches as well. I love Judge as our coach but we can't pretend this is a super unique situation in the NFL.
Corey Davis on why he joined the Jets "Coach Saleh was obviously a big part of that, as well as coach [offensive coordinator Mike] LaFleur," Davis said. "Coach Saleh is a great coach, I heard it all around the league from a few guys. Watching his interviews and hearing his message made it easy. If you're a culture guy that's what you want. Lafleur as well."
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2021 19:11:58 GMT -5
As this article rightly lays out, the New York Giants are being built in Joe Judge's image. Joe is the driving force behind this team. He is the face of the franchise. He's the reason players want to come here and stay here.
Forget the old thinking. Forget the way it "used to be". Like it or not, Joe Judge represents the new identity of our team.
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM? I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2021 19:19:21 GMT -5
Envy is tough to deal with I get it you'll be ok Envy is far from what I have. What I have is a case of I don't think so, The way I see it for someone who claims to be a personal friend of the owner. One would think that individual would not have to go outside of that to get that kind information. Me I have my doubts you know the owner at all, or a friend of the agent. I am a show me guy. Telling me you have this access does not prove you do. I am not that gullible. If you were the friend of the owner . Wouldn't John tell you if Judge had more clout than the GM . And your proof would not be from 2nd hand information. I get being skeptical but ........ Why would make you believe he actually heard it from Mr. Mara? Why would you believe that? Juat curiousl
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:26:22 GMT -5
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM? I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it I would not say none. I know we are not supposed to give Gettleman any credit but James Bradberry did say this “I just felt like New York was a better fit for me. I knew Mr. Gettleman and I knew what type of organization he’s trying to build over there".
Relationships matter. GMs, Coaches, other players. It all matters.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2021 19:31:34 GMT -5
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM? I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it I would not say none. I know we are not supposed to give Gettleman any credit but James Bradberry did say this “I just felt like New York was a better fit for me. I knew Mr. Gettleman and I knew what type of organization he’s trying to build over there".
Relationships matter. GMs, Coaches, other players. It all matters.
Even Dave gets lucky once in a while....
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 19:32:31 GMT -5
Envy is far from what I have. What I have is a case of I don't think so, The way I see it for someone who claims to be a personal friend of the owner. One would think that individual would not have to go outside of that to get that kind information. Me I have my doubts you know the owner at all, or a friend of the agent. I am a show me guy. Telling me you have this access does not prove you do. I am not that gullible. If you were the friend of the owner . Wouldn't John tell you if Judge had more clout than the GM . And your proof would not be from 2nd hand information. I get being skeptical but ........ Why would make you believe he actually heard it from Mr. Mara? Why would you believe that? Juat curiousl I would be skeptical. It would contradict what the owner and JJ both said. Logically. The owner would not do that . One reason is they did not do this with TC who had a more impressive resume that Judge. The other I have is . Where is the logic in giving a just rookie HC with 6 career wins total power over operations. I think it is a legitimate question to ask .Why would Mara and Tisch completely change the management structure within the organization when that model produced 4 trophies?
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:34:57 GMT -5
I would not say none. I know we are not supposed to give Gettleman any credit but James Bradberry did say this “I just felt like New York was a better fit for me. I knew Mr. Gettleman and I knew what type of organization he’s trying to build over there".
Relationships matter. GMs, Coaches, other players. It all matters.
Even Dave gets lucky once in a while.... Lucky that Bradberry was telling a lie lol.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:41:31 GMT -5
I would be skeptical. It would contradict what the owner and JJ both said. Logically. The owner would not do that . One reason is they did not do this with TC who had a more impressive resume that Judge. The other I have is . Where is the logic in giving a just rookie HC with 6 career wins total power over operations. I think it is a legitimate question to ask .Why would Mara and Tish completely change the management structure within the organization when that model produced 4 trophies? I think Judge has a huge influence on players that want to come here. I think he, like any HC, has influence in who DG targets. I don't think Judge is the defacto GM like Bill Belichick is. People that believe that have not paid attention to the New York Giants. Of course Judge has influence though. People like a leader like him. People don't choose to go to Alabama because it's an awesome state, they know Nick Saban will get them to the highest level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 19:43:33 GMT -5
As this article rightly lays out, the New York Giants are being built in Joe Judge's image. Joe is the driving force behind this team. He is the face of the franchise. He's the reason players want to come here and stay here.
Forget the old thinking. Forget the way it "used to be". Like it or not, Joe Judge represents the new identity of our team.
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM? I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it THE GM IS THE ONLY REASON A PLAYER IS OFFERED A CONTRACT. Cut the shit, respectfully.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 19:46:16 GMT -5
I would be skeptical. It would contradict what the owner and JJ both said. Logically. The owner would not do that . One reason is they did not do this with TC who had a more impressive resume that Judge. The other I have is . Where is the logic in giving a just rookie HC with 6 career wins total power over operations. I think it is a legitimate question to ask .Why would Mara and Tish completely change the management structure within the organization when that model produced 4 trophies? I think Judge has a huge influence on players that want to come here. I think he, like any HC, has influence in who DG targets. I don't think Judge is the defacto GM like Bill Belichick is. People that believe that have not paid attention to the New York Giants. Of course Judge has influence though. People like a leader like him. People don't choose to go to Alabama because it's an awesome state, they know Nick Saban will get them to the highest level. All HCs have influence in the players they want. That is a known throughout the league. It is next to impossible to build a wining team without the FO and the Coaching staff on the same page with the players that are rostered.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:53:43 GMT -5
All HCs have influence in the players they want. That is a known throughout the league. It is next to impossible to build a wining team without the FO and the Coaching staff on the same page with the players that are rostered. I agree. The difference from bad or good teams IMO can be who they attract. Judge is known to be a hard ass coach and the fact players want to come play for him says a lot about those players. On the flip side some coaches are soft ass "players coaches" and they attract players too, but it says a lot about those guys.
Give me the players that want to play for the hard ass.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 27, 2021 19:57:40 GMT -5
I would be skeptical. It would contradict what the owner and JJ both said. Logically. The owner would not do that . One reason is they did not do this with TC who had a more impressive resume that Judge. The other I have is . Where is the logic in giving a just rookie HC with 6 career wins total power over operations. I think it is a legitimate question to ask .Why would Mara and Tish completely change the management structure within the organization when that model produced 4 trophies? I think Judge has a huge influence on players that want to come here. I think he, like any HC, has influence in who DG targets. I don't think Judge is the defacto GM like Bill Belichick is. People that believe that have not paid attention to the New York Giants. Of course Judge has influence though. People like a leader like him. People don't choose to go to Alabama because it's an awesome state, they know Nick Saban will get them to the highest level. I believe the entire organization is trying to give JJ what he wants. I also believe everyone has bought into his value of "culture.". It's why they spent 3 days meeting with goloday. But to suggest that a first (now second) year HC like JJ has total control of both personnel and coaching is silly. And it's odd that some of the same peeps who think he has total control also ridicule the idea of culture. Culture is what JJ is all about. I like JJ a lot so far. And if he starts having consistent success I'm sure his influence will increase. But one year and 6 wins doesn't change an organizations structure.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2021 20:02:55 GMT -5
All HCs have influence in the players they want. That is a known throughout the league. It is next to impossible to build a wining team without the FO and the Coaching staff on the same page with the players that are rostered. I agree. The difference from bad or good teams IMO can be who they attract. Judge is known to be a hard ass coach and the fact players want to come play for him says a lot about those players. On the flip side some coaches are soft ass "players coaches" and they attract players too, but it says a lot about those guys.
Give me the players that want to play for the hard ass.
Remember all the BS in the media last season about his coaching style would make FA shy away from him. I guess that horse has been put out to pasture.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Mar 27, 2021 20:14:51 GMT -5
Hopefully this is a sign the team will be good in the coming years. Good teams typically take on the identity/personality of the coach. Judge has a good personality and the players are responding really well to him. However this team is only going to go as far as Jones will take them. It is Jones 3rd year he has to show us he is the future this year.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 27, 2021 20:33:31 GMT -5
As this article rightly lays out, the New York Giants are being built in Joe Judge's image. Joe is the driving force behind this team. He is the face of the franchise. He's the reason players want to come here and stay here.
Forget the old thinking. Forget the way it "used to be". Like it or not, Joe Judge represents the new identity of our team.
It also helps when the team offers more money than all of the other teams That seemed to be true with Adore.....
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 27, 2021 20:33:40 GMT -5
All HCs have influence in the players they want. That is a known throughout the league. It is next to impossible to build a wining team without the FO and the Coaching staff on the same page with the players that are rostered. I agree. The difference from bad or good teams IMO can be who they attract. Judge is known to be a hard ass coach and the fact players want to come play for him says a lot about those players. On the flip side some coaches are soft ass "players coaches" and they attract players too, but it says a lot about those guys.
Give me the players that want to play for the hard ass.
I dont think its about hard ass or soft ass. I think they want to play for someone who they think they can win with, who they respect, and who they think can put them in a position to be their best. Of course money is always an issue, especially among the star players. But there's a lot of other players that determine a winning team, and culture does count, IMO.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 27, 2021 20:39:59 GMT -5
The reality is that this team is being built in Joe's image.
He is the face of the franchise. No player is coming here because of Dave...or John Mara. They are coming here because Joe is the kind of guy they want to play for.
Dave can arrange the contracts and deal with the cap. That's fine. he can also run the scouting and identify the talent in the draft. But when it comes to team building.....JOE is the man.
That is as clear as the collective nose on our face. You can deny if you like if it helps you to sleep at night. But it's simply a fact that Joe Judge is the most powerful person in the Giants organization.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 27, 2021 20:47:46 GMT -5
Also helped that the Giants paid him more than anyone else was willing to That's how free agency works Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware 🙄
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 27, 2021 20:48:46 GMT -5
The reality is that this team is being built in Joe's image. He is the face of the franchise. No player is coming here because of Dave...or John Mara. They are coming here because Joe is the kind of guy they want to play for. Dave can arrange the contracts and deal with the cap. That's fine. he can also run the scouting and identify the talent in the draft. But when it comes to team building.....JOE is the man. That is as clear as the collective nose on our face. You can deny if you like if it helps you to sleep at night. But it's simply a fact that Joe Judge is the most powerful person in the Giants organization. I'm curious...are other teams attracting free agents because of the GM? That's not to say in any way that Joe isn't making signings attractive...I believe that he is as well...but I just don't think any players are drawn to a GM, a man they are unlikely to deal with often outside of being hired.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 27, 2021 20:48:53 GMT -5
It also helps when the team offers more money than all of the other teams That seemed to be true with Adore..... and Golladay .....
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2021 21:01:54 GMT -5
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM? I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it THE GM IS THE ONLY REASON A PLAYER IS OFFERED A CONTRACT. Cut the shit, respectfully. easy Bro... the GM does all that and players usually follow the $$ My point was not to dis DG at all but to just say a player will want to play for a team more because of the coach. It just makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:18:50 GMT -5
A GMs job is to build a team. Yeah, he can take recommendations from the coaches, but if that GM doesn’t want a player then that conversation is done.
DG wanted every player we signed this offseason. Judge and his staff helped in the process. Abrams paid them accordingly. Teamwork.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 27, 2021 21:36:21 GMT -5
As this article rightly lays out, the New York Giants are being built in Joe Judge's image. Joe is the driving force behind this team. He is the face of the franchise. He's the reason players want to come here and stay here.
Forget the old thinking. Forget the way it "used to be". Like it or not, Joe Judge represents the new identity of our team.
Well of course. To cut to he chase what player signs with a team because of the GM?I would say probably none I love that it Joe's team and I firmly believe they will start winning like a normal good team should. No less than 9 wins. But you know.....lets see it Well, they sign because of the money, so I would say every player. I think the free agents liked what Judge has to say, but if the money isn't there, it's not happening.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 27, 2021 21:41:10 GMT -5
"Get it done" hands the ball over to the front office. They get it done. And the GM is the only reason that player was even in the building. Wish the FO got it done when McAdoo told them to go get Mahomes I can't begin to imagine what a disaster that would have been. There are likely very good reasons why some HC's get their guys and others do not.
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